flyinfilipino
Smash Master
Aw, that's not a cheap technique, that's just a loser guy. Hopefully you'll get some good human-fighting experience when Brawl hits our shores.
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Points of clarification about Casual Vs. Competitive that everyone needs to read(WOP)
- Thread starter The Hypnotist
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MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
Wobbling is a technique with the ice climbers that is quite infamous. Basically you have to land a grab with nana close by and you have to time pressing the A so that Nana hits you with her standing attack and keeps you in the grab indefinitely. Basically if you land it you take off an opponents stock. The thing is, it is only guaranteed if you have like 60% or more damage, which isn't that crazy cause there were IC combos that have been around for ages which could KO you from that. It's just that Wobbling is so blatant cause you sit there and watch your % rise and then they finish you off that upsets people.
If that doesn't make any sense you can see it in action in this video 40 seconds in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1XD9qjp34
While right on most points, you managed to make it sound like an elitist pile of bull. Congratulations. You over emphasized points that needed no clarification, explained things that a child could easily have figured out, and managed to do it in a condescending way that implied that you were insightful for having managed to follow the train of thought.
In conclusion, though you are right on a few of the points, you're still a prick.
Edit: In my hometown (Austin), there are item based tournaments, as well as ones that take place on unconventional stages. Although not my favorite style of play, they do exist, and you are ignorant to imply otherwise. How about a little research first?
For the record, as it is not a predetermined function of the game and merely something accidentally included in the coding of the game, they are glitches. There is a reason they won't be included in the sequel in their present incarnations.
In conclusion, though you are right on a few of the points, you're still a prick.
Edit: In my hometown (Austin), there are item based tournaments, as well as ones that take place on unconventional stages. Although not my favorite style of play, they do exist, and you are ignorant to imply otherwise. How about a little research first?
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
Please, nobody respond to this portion. I'm sick of seeing this dumb semantics crap over what is and isn't glitches. I'm almost tempted to start handing infractions if someone tries to make any argument about this.
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
I see, wobbling kinda just takes the fun out of the fight, but I'm sure better players would go for the other comboes.
I'd like to point out that L-Canceling is NOT A GLITCH. It'd be one hell of a glitch for pressing L or R or Z at the right time to trigger your landing lag frames to be reduced by exactly one half.
If you're playing to win, you don't stand around teasing your opponent to the point that you start taking hits. Expecting someone to quit spamming a move because it's beating you is no different then being beaten with a wicked line of combos. I wouldn't try not to let either of those tactics get the best of me so the most logical solution is to find the weaknesses (you only get this through practice and experience), or get better as the same character that you're up against, and just.. be faster and better.
Spamming moves isn't always entirely the users fault. Some characters are built with slow movesets, and the best way to use them is to find their fastest moves and use them whenever applicable. While you might find Links Up+B annoying, it's one of the only moves with enough range, speed and power to keep Link from taking damage when the pressure is on. And it's obviously a great edge guarding finishing move.
I'm really impressed with people who fight hard with slow (giant) characters like Bowser. It's great and impressive, and I just like having a variety of skilled players playing hard with their favorite characters. Makes things more interesting and unpredictable, y'know?
So autobzooty, I suggest you keep practicing against your friend until he's a cakewalk to beat. Maybe even try out other characters. I'm positive that he'll adopt a new strategy for you to go up against.
Spamming moves isn't always entirely the users fault. Some characters are built with slow movesets, and the best way to use them is to find their fastest moves and use them whenever applicable. While you might find Links Up+B annoying, it's one of the only moves with enough range, speed and power to keep Link from taking damage when the pressure is on. And it's obviously a great edge guarding finishing move.
I'm really impressed with people who fight hard with slow (giant) characters like Bowser. It's great and impressive, and I just like having a variety of skilled players playing hard with their favorite characters. Makes things more interesting and unpredictable, y'know?
So autobzooty, I suggest you keep practicing against your friend until he's a cakewalk to beat. Maybe even try out other characters. I'm positive that he'll adopt a new strategy for you to go up against.
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
Nah, wobbling is usually the best option when you can land it by far. The point is you can get around it with a little knowledge and practice about what is required to set it up.
As far as it taking the fun out of the match: I've played against a friend of mine that was good at it, and he even did it in friendlies. You get used to it and it's not a big deal when it happens. I tend to furiously try to get out of it when it isn't guaranteed, but whenever I cross the threshhold I just tell him to stop and I jump off the stage XD. Actually, doing it this way removes a lot of the sting because you don't have to see him beat your *** up to 300% for a KO.
Also, he rarely lands it on me now, I've learned that with good spacing with Marth and a healthy amount of sword swinging you are bound to catch Nana's dumb *** at some point and it's pretty much GG for her stock at that point.
autobzooty
Smash Journeyman
i'm much better now so i could probably beat him, but we aren't really friends any more, as fate would have it.
i'll just have to wait for brawl before i get any human competition. i dont even hear about tournaments in my area, so i couldn't go even if i thought i would stand a chance!
Sliq
Smash Master
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This story made me lol.
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
Why do you bother?
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
It really isn't fair, the way Fox can take out Nana. In that match up SHINE >>>> WOBBLING!
Play as the Ice Climbers against a good Fox or Peach, if you think Wobbling is "boring" you should see Fox and Peach just own the ICs. Wobbles The Pheonix doesn't even play Peachs anymore.
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
Well, I meant the way that it's not even a fight once you get trapped, but it's a pretty cool concept.
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
I know what your saying, but Shine Spiking... it's like once it happens... it's OVER. Because Popo NEEDS Nana!
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
Maybe they should make Ice Triplets, so even if you lose one, you'll always have another Nana.
Maybe that's a terrible idea.
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
Maybe it was a joke. And while were on Wobbling, my giess is that Sakurai has NO IDEA WHAT WOBBLING IS. He watched a few professional matches but I doubt he's seen wobbling and I think it WILL be in Brawl. That will be FUNNY online!
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
Possibly. But he's 'thought of everything', so I doubt it.
slikvik
Smash Master
really? he's thought of everything. well good we have nothing to worry about. Brawl will be a flawless game because "he's thought of everything". I'm so glad
5150
Banned via Administration
i agree. i hate scrubs.
FalconPunch
Smash Journeyman
LOL 5150 and Sliq always make my day.
And I hate elitists...... even if they're on our side.....
hmm
hmm
5150
Banned via Administration
nothing wrong with being elitist as long as you are doing good for the community.
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
If Sakurai really thought of everything then why would we not have stock matches in basic brawl? And why can't we have one on one matches? Oh yeah, competition is bad!
autobzooty
Smash Journeyman
While I have no clue why Nintendo fails to implement a hosting/joining system (which would be perfect for what they're trying to do AND make the fans happy), here's the logic behind their system.
If you have to have 1v1v1v1 matches every time you play online, it greatly reduces the chance that you'll get matched up with someone who will just kick your *** the whole time. it sort of levels the playing field.
a host/join system would be way better though, because the people who are new to online gaming and don't wanna set rules can just join a match, and people who are very particular about their matches could set skill limits on each match (disallowing people with great or terrible records to join your match) and choose their items, stage, etc.
All in all, Nintendo is pretty blind.
Yeah, I think the whole reason for not having stock matches in free-for-all is to prevent people from being eliminated in a match early. Maybe it makes people feel better or something.
Reasoning aside, I'd still prefer stock.
Reasoning aside, I'd still prefer stock.
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Playing "With Anyone" will truly become the "I am bored but none of my friends are online" mode.
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
Either that or the "I have pent up rage and I want to take it out on random newbs mode".
@5150
You aren't helping the community by creating more havoc with the casual players. Honestly, I should be throwing infractions at you for the crazy crap you say. A lot of times you don't even explain your opinion, you just tell people they are stupid. Even if they don't know how things are around here or are just ignorant and close-minded, you just turn everyone off from the competitive side of things by stirring up this kind of trouble.
@Sliq
Usually you are about 50% helpful with 50% sarcasm and antics, but in the later part of this thread you have been bashing pretty hard on autobzooty. I said this earlier but it just got passed over, but the guy is more open-minded than you are giving him credit for. He is at least working things out with us instead of just yelling at us and saying we don't know what we are talking about.
*drools*
10 char
too bad we'll see alot of DQs when we **** them hard.
just like in mario strikers. lol
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
That isn't true Mike. If we do our job right they won't have time to recover from the shock of our initial combos to be able to disconnect.
While you are here, I bet you are uber pumped about the immense Peach buffs. Jesus, I predict you will be the most broken tournament player in brawl for at least the first year or so because of it. Now you can catch turnips while attacking!!
MikeG, still conserving turnips for the starving children out there.
Im not gonna lie. I can't do fancy techniques like people in tournaments. I'd lose against moist people in tournaments. But I totally understand why tournament rules are the way they are, to make them a test of skill. Especially when money is involved. I have no problem with these rules, and look forward to improving my skill, not my luck.
M.K
Level 55
You got something against DRY people buddy? HUH?
Anyways, I do as much as I can to explain my point of view, but it usually gets ripped and torn to shreds by most people. Wow, while typing that sentence, my heart just tugged a little. It's sad,that some people can't get a word in edgewise, but that is what you have to prepare for when you join a forum.
Peach!?!? What the hell, Jason!? I'm planning on maining Ike! Didnt you get the memo?
but you're right. Peach seems super buffed in brawl even with her down smashed nerfed.
I guess I'll use her, for children's sake.
but you're right. Peach seems super buffed in brawl even with her down smashed nerfed.
I guess I'll use her, for children's sake.
MookieRah
Kinda Sorta OK at Smash
*gasp* They mustn't know my real name!
All the children of the world will rejoice.
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
This is going a bit off topic, lets not turn this into a bash nintendo thread.
thesage
Smash Hero
Let's. After tonight's update.... argh. Also: Flame cancelling is a glitch that was taken out in later versions of melee but added in brawl. Wd wasn't taken out because it was a "glitch". That arguement fails.
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
LOL at how 1037 responses. BTW, I don't understand why casual players think that the OP is mean or whatever. EVERYTHING IN THE ORIGINAL POST IS TRUE!
The Hypnotist
Smash Lord
This thread would have really had no debate if everyone read it.
flyinfilipino
Smash Master
I think a lot of people read it.
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The Wario update confirms it: Smashboards members cannot read. They decide that anything that goes against what they want must be a lie. That is why everyone argues so much. One half actually puts time/thought/logic into their discussion; the other half reacts emotionally.