PM Arts and Alts Thread

[Game&Watcher]

So some people want May's ORAS bandana, but I dunno if that's stretching past PMDT's rules of nothing outside what's already in the game is allowed because it was released past Brawl's release.

what is Fire Emblem Awakening Roy.

What is also Fire Peach and Pirate-chu.

 

[Nefnoj]

What is also Fire Peach and Pirate-chu.

What is also Fairy Jigglypuff, Boxer DK, and probably armoured Charizard.

What is love.

Baby don't hurt me,
no more.

 

[Cnip]

Is Holy War Marth going to get any more tweaks? The portrait doesn't match its in game appearance (No gloves, no large collar, and a different hairstyle).

 

[Nanobuds]

We only really stick to the "no references to games after brawl" for when we think of new characters. We aren't really strict with that rule for alts, especially with something like a hat for jiggs.

 

[MLGF]

...So if Lyn gets in, can we get a Micaiah alt?
Character references are really fun for FE characters.

 

[Nixie]

Idk, I wouldn't say that works as well as the others.

However, I would say that discussing alts for what are only potential characters seems a really silly thing to do. Maybe stick with the cast we have?

 

[Mc.Rad]

Idk, I wouldn't say that works as well as the others.

However, I would say that discussing alts for what are potential characters seems a really silly thing to do. Maybe stick with the cast we have?

Yeah, the leaks are sometimes confirmed wrong like the Sammi one was when the PM Dev team tried to delete all posts covering the leaked charicters except for her

 

[A6stringthing (A6ST)]

You know what would be rad? A competitive F-Zero stage, that comes with a sick Version M remix of Big Blue. Yee-up.

 

[GFooChombey]

Especially in terms of sounds, I get so tired of hearing "IVY, IVYYY, IVY, IVY, IVY, IVYYY, IVY, IVY" over and over, especially since the name thing really isn't much a game thing. Maybe each Pokémon's entrance sound could be their Pokédex sound, akin to Mewtwo's?

I dunno about all the time, but I would like taunts to be featured somehow. Mewtwo feels so lonely.

 

[GunBuster]

Yeah, the leaks are sometimes confirmed wrong like the Sammi one was when the PM Dev team tried to delete all posts covering the leaked charicters except for her

I would discuss/debate this, but I suppose this is not the best place for it.

Spoiler

Samiplz

...So if Lyn gets in, can we get a Micaiah alt?
Character references are really fun for FE characters.

It's... it's not a particularly interesting outfit, in my humble opinion.
Though I concede that may just be me and my tendency to find Micaiah underwhelming in every way.

besides, with Roy's awakening alt,

Spoiler

I think this would be much more appropriate.

 

[robosteven]

When's Seliph costume for Sigurd Marth

 

[Nixie]

Sorrryyy, I should not have said anything more..

 

[CBO0tz]

Amittedly, I wasn't thinking at all about some of the costumes already in the game, but clarification is always nice.

I can't wait for HD Kongo Jungle and Fourside.. HD Fountain of Dreams is still something I really want.

You know what would be rad? A competitive F-Zero stage, that comes with a sick Version M remix of Big Blue. Yee-up.

This.

 

[GFooChombey]

I also can't wait for HD Kongo Jungle. I also agree Fourside could use some polish as well as a few other old stages, but why FoD? I think that stage looks fine as is.

 

[CBO0tz]

I also can't wait for HD Kongo Jungle. I also agree Fourside could use some polish as well as a few other old stages, but why FoD? I think that stage looks fine as is.

Eh, I just feel like the water effects on FoD could look a bit better than they do now. Like there's no glimmer effect in the water, and if there is, it's not really noticeable because of the rainbows in the water, and the ripple effects leave something to be desired IMHO.

What other stages do you think should be made HD?

 

[Nefnoj]

I also can't wait for HD Kongo Jungle. I also agree Fourside could use some polish as well as a few other old stages, but why FoD? I think that stage looks fine as is.

There are a lot of stages that we think are good...
But then our expectations are surpassed.

I think all they need to do is give it some extra fancy lighting and maybe add stars... But it sure is pretty already. And people have been porting Wii U stages to Brawl without too much trouble, so I doubt the hardware is super limited in terms of that. I totally messed up my format somehow..I think that Big Blue, Yoshi's Island (Brawl) and Yoshi's Story (Both), Rumble Falls, Skyworlds, and Jungle Japes could use some refining. With the introduction to Z Stages, I really hope to see a new Sector Z redone, maybe in homage to Star Fox Adventures, along with Planet Zebes, they both have such great potential. .

 

[GFooChombey]

Eh, I just feel like the water effects on FoD could look a bit better than they do now. Like there's no glimmer effect in the water, and if there is, it's not really noticeable because of the rainbows in the water, and the ripple effects leave something to be desired IMHO.

What other stages do you think should be made HD?

I personally want all of the 64 stages, regardless of them being main/alt stage, to be redone in glorious HD. I'd love to see the background of vDistant planet touched up. And though I'm glad it's back, I strongly believe Rainbow Cruise looks like ass. Oh and Fourside needs some love.
I do agree a bit with the water on FoD, but the rest of the stage is fine. I don't think it warrants an HD remake..just make the water look cool.

 

[Nefnoj]

I personally want all of the 64 stages, regardless of them being main/alt stage, to be redone in glorious HD. I'd love to see the background of vDistant planet touched up. And though I'm glad it's back, I strongly believe Rainbow Cruise looks like ***. Oh and Fourside needs some love.
I do agree a bit with the water on FoD, but the rest of the stage is fine. I don't think it warrants an HD remake..just make the water look cool.

Given the Project M's definition of "HD", that might just about fit it, haha.

 

[CND]

I updated my screenshot gallery thread recently mostly with screenshots of stages from the first page and a couple of the alts for reference and your viewing pleasure or displeasure. I thought it would be a good time to point that out with the talk of stages.

http://smashboards.com/threads/cnds...hot-gallery-875-images-updated-9-2-15.380905/

Also, I am interested in seeing Kongo Jungle 64 updated because I like how the stage looks already and think of the 64 stages getting an update it is the one that needed it the least, so it is going to be interesting to see what the remake looks like. I also would like to see Fountain of Dreams get more reflective water but I think it is also fine without it.

 

[Nefnoj]

Someone made some console R.O.Bs, I think some of them actually don't look as good as the concept of them does, the GameCube head one isn't very fitting, and I thought I would love them: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=209593
I still super want atomic purple.

 

[Sour Supreme]

You know what would be rad? A competitive F-Zero stage, that comes with a sick Version M remix of Big Blue. Yee-up.

2nded

also hai guys. :3

 

[GFooChombey]

Someone made some console R.O.Bs, I think some of them actually don't look as good as the concept of them does, the GameCube head one isn't very fitting, and I thought I would love them: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=209593
I still super want atomic purple.

I actually don't think I like the other console ones much to my surprise. We just lucked out that the virtual boy definitely looks like a face and the wii looks somewhat like a cyclops. The rest are just consoles... Well I guess that's one thing I will no longer request.

But Gameboy Green G&W I'm still waiting on.

 

[Shin F.]

The NES one might be better if it was open, so it would be kind of like the wii one, but its kind of boring in color, so I agree.

Atomic purple would still be the best.

 

[A6stringthing (A6ST)]

Someone made some console R.O.Bs, I think some of them actually don't look as good as the concept of them does, the GameCube head one isn't very fitting, and I thought I would love them: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=209593
I still super want atomic purple.

The NES Rob looks the best in comparison to the other 3, but that really isn't saying much. I really want to like the N64 one but I'd be lying to myself about it...

 

[Game&Watcher]

Someone made some console R.O.Bs, I think some of them actually don't look as good as the concept of them does, the GameCube head one isn't very fitting, and I thought I would love them: http://forums.kc-mm.com/Gallery/BrawlView.php?Number=209593
I still super want atomic purple.

64 R.O.B. may not be the best of the 3, but he's definitely the most fitting for a Smash Game.

 

[Nefnoj]

So I have an emotional connection with the Pikmin series, and thus, Olimar.

But his victory theme is a bit of the map theme... And not a bit of the End of Day theme?

I want my money back.

64 R.O.B. may not be the best of the 3, but he's definitely the most fitting for a Smash Game.

Except his cord's too long and not tangled enough.

 

[ArtfulHobbes]

Can we get Snake in Quiet cosplay please?

Spoiler

Plz

 

[Nefnoj]

Can we get Snake in Quiet cosplay please?

Spoiler

Plz

I don't know if I should like this comment or not...

 

[Draco_The]

Quiet's costume would make more sense on Ivy.

 

[Xermo]

But his victory theme is a bit of the map theme... And not a bit of the End of Day theme?

Well actually, his victory is part of the title theme.

 

[CBO0tz]

So I decided to make a list of stage slot changes with some additional alt stages that are more efficient in keeping the stage slots down. This should leave about 4 stage slots open.

1. Main Stage:

• Fountain of Dreams = FoD + Balanced Halberd(+ Brawl variant)
• Dreamland HD = Dreamland HD( + 64v) + Green Greens
• Saffron City HD = Saffron City HD(+ 64v) + Another Pokemon stage?
• Kongo Jungle = Kongo Jungle HD( + 64 v.) + Jungle Japes
• Peach's Castle HD = Peach's HD( + 64 v.) + Princess Peach's Castle
• Metal Cavern HD = Metal Cavern HD( + 64 v.) + Rainbow Cruise
• Corneria = Corneria( + Sector Z) + Venom
• Green Hill Zone( + Braw v.) + Another Sonic stage?
• Pirate Ship Balanced( + Brawl Pirate Ship) + Another Wind Waker stage?
• Shadow Moses Island - Balanced? (+ Brawl v.) + MGS3 stage?
• Infinite Glacier( + Icicle Mountain) + Summit
• Temple( + Great Bay) + Skyloft
• Final Destination( + Brawl v.) + Training Room?
• Onett + Tazmily Village
• Flat Zone + Flat Zone 2
• Port Town Aero Dive + Mute City
• Norfair( + Brawl v.) + Frigate Orpheon

 

[Amazerommu]

So I decided to make a list of stage slots in PM that should be changed so there can be more stage slots.

1. Main Stage:

• Fountain of Dreams
• 
  
• Mario Bros. = Mario Bros. + 75m
• 
  
• 75m = Saffron City HD
• 
  
• Pokemon Stadium 1 = Sandfall's Balanced PS1 + vBrawl PS1
• 
  
• Pokemon Stadium 2 = Project M Balanced PS2 + vBrawl PS2
• 
  
• Jungle Japes = Kongo Jungle 64 + Jungle Japes

Explain... Explaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiin!

No but... what exactly do you mean by this thing?

 

[GFooChombey]

So I decided to make a list of stage slots in PM that should be changed so there can be more stage slots.

1. Main Stage:

• Fountain of Dreams
• 
  
• Mario Bros. = Mario Bros. + 75m
• 
  
• 75m = Saffron City HD
• 
  
• Pokemon Stadium 1 = Sandfall's Balanced PS1 + vBrawl PS1
• 
  
• Pokemon Stadium 2 = Project M Balanced PS2 + vBrawl PS2
• 
  
• Jungle Japes = Kongo Jungle 64 + Jungle Japes

Well apparently Sandfall says FoD will probably be moved over Halberd bumping that to alt. Speaking about him, he said the team won't officially use his PS1 mod since the ideal competitive version is frozen which they already have. I do agree about Jungle Japes and they will probably go that route when they add new stages..

But mixing Mario + DK is no good. Also why waste two slots on stadiums when vPS2 can be the zecret alt. Pls PMDT.

 

[Shin F.]

Mario Bros and 75m are such ugly stages...

Also why waste two slots on stadiums when vPS2 can be the zecret alt. Pls PMDT.

I prefer PS2, honestly.

 

[GFooChombey]

I mean they could retcon the stage layout to something new and then have a slot be both Stadiums, but I doubt they'll touch those stages at this point.

 

[Amazerommu]

Well apparently Sandfall says FoD will probably be moved over Halberd bumping that to alt. Speaking about him, he said the team won't officially use his PS1 mod since the ideal competitive version is frozen which they already have. I do agree about Jungle Japes and they will probably go that route when they add new stages..

But mixing Mario + DK is no good. Also why waste two slots on stadiums when vPS2 can be the zecret alt. Pls PMDT.

Ah I understand now... and somewhat agree. I'm personally gonna move stages around whatever way I feel...

 

[CBO0tz]

Explain... Explaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiin!

No but... what exactly do you mean by this thing?

Sorry, I accidentally sent it when it wasn't done.

It's basically just my means of shaving away some stage slots by putting a couple stages in with a stage from the same game universe. I did it out of boredom and inspiration from another guy who posted a list like this on Sandfall's aMa

 

[Nefnoj]

I really like the idea of 75m and Mario Bros. having the same slot with one as an alt, though their icon should be something arcadey/vintagey.

I cannot emphasize enough on how much I want Majora's Mask 3D styled Great Bay to be Pirate Ship's alt. Everything fits. Tingle Balloon is not necessary, but I love Tingle with all my heart.

I don't know if this is possible, but it'd be cool to add more transformations to Playstation 2 Pokémon Stadium 2, then they could simply merge the two Pokémon Stadiums into one big casual-ish stage.

Explain... Explaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiin!

Spoiler

They have plungers because they couldn't afford claws. True story.

 

[Amazerommu]

I really like the idea of 75m and Mario Bros. having the same slot with one as an alt, though their icon should be something arcadey/vintagey.

I cannot emphasize enough on how much I want Majora's Mask 3D styled Great Bay to be Pirate Ship's alt. Everything fits. Tingle Balloon is not necessary, but I love Tingle with all my heart.

I don't know if this is possible, but it'd be cool to add more transformations to Playstation 2 Pokémon Stadium 2, then they could simply merge the two Pokémon Stadiums into one big casual-ish stage.

Spoiler

They have plungers because they couldn't afford claws. True story.

I'm so glad somebody did it lol.

And I love the idea of PlayStation 1 and 2 Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2 combination transformations. Vanilla Stadium 1 so we can have the Windmill plz! (I miss that from the Melee dayz) The Stadium 2 transformations can be reworked though... I'm not a big fan of those.

 

[CND]

So I decided to make a list of stage slot changes with some additional alt stages that are more efficient in keeping the stage slots down. This should leave about 4 stage slots open.

1. Main Stage:

• Fountain of Dreams = FoD + Balanced Halberd(+ Brawl variant)
• Dreamland HD = Dreamland HD( + 64v) + Green Greens
• Saffron City HD = Saffron City HD(+ 64v) + Another Pokemon stage?
• Kongo Jungle = Kongo Jungle HD( + 64 v.) + Jungle Japes
• Peach's Castle HD = Peach's HD( + 64 v.) + Princess Peach's Castle
• Metal Cavern HD = Metal Cavern HD( + 64 v.) + Rainbow Cruise
• Corneria = Corneria( + Sector Z) + Venom
• Green Hill Zone( + Braw v.) + Another Sonic stage?
• Pirate Ship Balanced( + Brawl Pirate Ship) + Another Wind Waker stage?
• Shadow Moses Island - Balanced? (+ Brawl v.) + MGS3 stage?
• Infinite Glacier( + Icicle Mountain) + Summit
• Temple( + Great Bay) + Skyloft
• Final Destination( + Brawl v.) + Training Room?
• Onett + Tazmily Village
• Flat Zone + Flat Zone 2
• Port Town Aero Dive + Mute City
• Norfair( + Brawl v.) + Frigate Orpheon

Someone from PMDT said that they are only going to use z alts for the 64 version of the 64 stages for the time being. I would think in the case of something like GHZ having another Sonic stage, then the Brawl version would be the Z alt, and Z-alts would be primarily the original version of alltered or updated stages. Unless they add a preview for secret alts like they have for the L alts, I don't think something like Temple, Great Bay, and Skyloft work as well together. I think the music might prevent Rainbow Cruise from being paired with Metal Cavern. Also, think it would be cool for Final Destination to have its 64, Melee, and Brawl versions all represented.