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Pikmin Pluck % Chart

DtJ Hilt

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Table of Contents

1. Pikmin Pluck % Chart
2. Types of Terrain
3. Unimportant Terrain

4. Stages Per Color
5.Credits

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Pikmin Pluck % Chart


You'll need to scroll to see whole chart. As of now, all of the terrain has been completed for all stages.

Code:
                       Terrain            Red  Yellow  Blue  White  Purple  Color

75m                    Platforms          20   30      20    10     20      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
Battlefield            Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Big Blue               Falcon's Ship      20   30      20    10     20      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
                       Cars               20   30      20    10     20      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
                       Platforms          23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Road               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Black Thing        23   23      23    10     20      [COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
Bridge of Eldin        Stone              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Brinstar               Stage              20   30      20    15     15      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
Castle Seige           Phase One          23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Phase Two          23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Flag               30   20      20    15     15      [COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]
                       Phase Three        23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Corneria               Great Fox          20   30      20    15     15      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
                       Blasters           20   30      20    15     15      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
                       Thruster           20   30      20    15     15      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
                       Arwing             20   30      20    15     15      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
Delphino               Platforms          23   23      23    10     20      [COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
                       Grass              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Street             23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       House              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Umbrella           23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Red Awning         30   20      20    15     15      [COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]
                       Shallow Water       0   30      40    15     15      [COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
                       Sand               30   30      15    10     15      [COLOR="DarkRed"]Red[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow  [/COLOR]
Distant Planet         Vine               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Leaf               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Rock               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Bulborb            30   15      25    25      5      [COLOR="Red"]AME[/COLOR]RI[COLOR="Blue"]CAN[/COLOR][COLOR="Red"]![/COLOR]![COLOR="Blue"]![/COLOR]
Final Destination      Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Flat Zone 2            Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Frigate Orpheon        Stage              20   30      20    10     20      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
Green Greens           Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Stanard
                       Yellow Blocs       23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Bomb Blocks        23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Green Hill Zone        Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Halberd                Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Hanenbow               Leaves(All Colors) 30   30      30     5      5      Primary
Jungle Japes           Wood               25   25      25    15     10      Primary
Lylat Cruise           Stage              20   30      20    15     15      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow        [/COLOR]
Luigi's Mansion        Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Mushroomy Kingdom      Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Bricks             23   23      23    20     10      White
                       ? Blocks           23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Pipes              23   23      23    10     20      [COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
                       Moving Platforms   23   23      23    15     15      Standard
New Pork City          Stage              23   23      23    20     10      White
                       Boat               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Breakable Platform 23   23      23    20     10      White
                       Flying Car         23   23      23    10     20      [COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
Norfair                Platforms          20   30      20    15     15      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
Onett                  Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Red House          23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Blue House         23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Power Lines        23   23      23    15     15      [COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]
                       Tree               23   23      23    20     10      White
                       Awning             30   20      20    15     15      [COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]
Pictochat              Stage              23   23      23    20     10      White
Pirate Ship            Boat               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       King of Red Lions  23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Rock               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Pokemon Stadium        Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Rock               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Metal              20   30      20    10     20      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
                       Stream              0   30      40    15     15      [COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
                       Tree               23   23      23    20     10      White
                       Windmill           23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Wood               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Shallow Water       0   30      40    15     15      [COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
                       Burnt Tree         23   23      23    15     15      Standard

Pokemon Stadium 2      Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Earth              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Conveyor Belt      23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Fan                23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Ice                20   20      30    20     10      [COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/White
                       Cave               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Port Town Aero Drive   Platform           23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Road               23   23      23    10     20      [COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
Rainbow Cruise         Boat               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Platforms          23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Flying Carpet      23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Falling Blocks     23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Swing              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Rumble Falls           Wood               23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Shallow Water       0   30      40    15     15      [COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
                       Stone              25   25      15    15     20      [COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple    [/COLOR]
                       Airplane           23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Shadow Moses Island    Stage              20   30      20    15     15      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]
Sky World              Platforms          23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Clouds             20   20      30    20     10      [COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/White
Smashville             Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Spear Pillar           Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Summit                 Ice                20   20      30    20     10      [COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/White
                       Shallow Water       0   30      40    15     15      [COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR][COLOR="Blue"][/COLOR]
WarioWare Inc.         Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Yoshi's Island         Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Support Ghost      23   23      23    20     10      White
Yoshi's Island(Melee)  Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Yellow Blocks      23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Pipe               23   23      23    15     15      Standard

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Terrain Types

Most of the Terrain in Brawl can be categorized into certain groups, which are then broken up into the individual terrain.

Metallic Terrain
Metallic(1) - Regular Metal, such as the metallic platforms in Pokemon Stadium 1 (Rock Phase). 20/30/20/10/20

Metallic(2) - Any Land Vehicle, such as the Cars/Ship in Big Blue and the Landmasters. 20/30/20/10/20

Metallic(3) - The Great Fox and Arwings in Corneria/Lylat Cruise. The Ship from Big Blue is for some reason this type of terrain in the boss battle against Meta Ridley, however is of the Metallic(2) type when in Big Blue. 20/30/20/15/15

Water Terrain
Shallow Water - Anytime that you can stand in water without drowning. The actual terrain you're standing on does not matter. For example, the terrain at the bottom of summit is ice terrain, but when it's slightly submerged in water, it entirely changes terrain even though you're still pulling from the ice. The Pirate Ship, after crashing and slightly submerging, however, does not change it's terrain type at all and remains standard. 0/30/40/15/15

Ice - Ice terrain that characters slide on. 20/20/30/20/10

Cloud - The clouds from Skyworld after breaking the platforms. 20/20/30/20/10

Cloth Terrain

Cloth - The awnings in Onett/Delphino Plaza and the Flags in Castle Seige. I dont exactly know why Cloth gives this percentage of pikmin... i guess there's just not much else that could increase red pikmin (burning house at stadium maybe?) 30/20/20/15/15

Umbrella - The Umbrella at Delphino Plaza, however, does not change percentages at all. 23/23/23/15/15

Plant Terrain

Tree - Trees (Pokemon Stadium 1 and Onett) for some reason give an increase in white pikmin, regardless of how much sense it would make. 23/23/23/20/10

Burnt Tree - The burnt Tree in Pokemon Stadium 1, however, does not give any percentage changes. 23/23/23/15/

Leaves/Vines - The Leaves and Vines from Distant Planet also give no terrain change. 23/23/23/15/15

Hanenbow Leaves - The Leaves in Hanenbow give one of the most unusual terrain changes, increasing all of the primary colors and reducing the secondary two as far as they can go. 30/30/30/5/5

Wood

Wood - Most wood terrain dont give any changes whatsoever. 23/23/23/15/15

Jungle Japes Wood - The Wood in Jungle Japes however gives a very small increase to the primary colors and decreases purple. 25/25/25/15/10

Rock

Rock(1) - Rock terrain do not give any alternate percentages at all. These are namely the rocks at Distant Planet, Pokemon Stadium 1, and Pirate Ship. 23/23/23/15/15.

Rock(2) - The percentage in this terrain are actually the exact same as Rock(1). The difference in the two is actually something not pertaining to terrain. For some reason it pulling pikmin from this terrain increases Olimar's pluck animation by 50%. The terrain I've found this to happen at so far are Castle Seige (Phase 3), The inside of Spear Pillar, Target Test 2, and half of the custom stage pats. 23/23/23/15/15

Stone(1) - Any stone at Rumble Falls. 25/25/15/15/20

Stone(2) - The Stone Bridge in Bridge of Eldin. 23/23/23/15/15

Sand - The Sand Beaches at Delphino Plaza./ 30/30/15/10/15

AMERICAN
Bulborb - Yeah. He voted for obama. 30/15/25/25/5

Other
Anything from Grass to Random Platforms. From Pipes to the Support Ghost. The Terrain in this group either give standard, white, or puple, and it seems to be for the most part randomly placed throughout them, not making much sense (mushroomy blocks increasing white?). Listing all of these out would take too much time and nobody would read it :D
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Unimportant Terrain


The following are Terrain are either Items, Produced by an item, or are only available in a mode other than VS Mode. Knowing the characteristics of these Terrains arent very beneficial, but should probably be checked regardless just for Pluck Mechanics.

Items:
Box(Wheels)
The Spinning Platform from the Assist Trophy....(what's it called? lol)

Final Smashes:
Landmaster(Fox)
Landmaster(Falco)
Landmaster(Wolf)
Glacier(Ice Climbers)

Custom Stages:
Platform/Slanted Platforms/Stairs
Ice
Rock
Falling Blocks
Tree
Tree Stump
Windmill
Conveyor Belt
Mushroom
Metal
Stone
Spikes

Supspace Emissary:
Not gonna list them all, but you get the idea....

Stadium:
Target Test 1-5

Allstar Mode/Boss Battle:
Safe Area


Like I said, those don't really matter all too much, but i'll probably check them anyways

Here's what I have so far

Code:
                       Terrain            Red  Yellow  Blue  White  Purple  Color
Items                   Wheeled Crate      23   23      23    23     23      Standard
Target Test 1          Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Target Test 2          Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Target Test 3          Stage              23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Conveyor Belt      23   23      23    15     15      Standard
                       Platform           23   23      23    15     15      Standard
Target Test 4          Stage              20   20      30    20     10      [COLOR="Blue"]Blue[/COLOR]/White
Target Test 5          Stage              25   25      15    15     20      [COLOR="Red"]Red[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]

Landmaster             Fox                20   30      20    10     20      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
                       Falco              20   30      20    10     20      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]
                       Wolf               20   30      20    10     20      [COLOR="Yellow"]Yellow[/COLOR]/[COLOR="Purple"]Purple[/COLOR]

Credits

Geekd - Getting this whole thing started. Nobody probably would have done this if you hadnt started it lol

Tactical - Inventing the Wake-Up Fork. Oh... and coming up with a bunch of random things for me to test that I never would have thought of >.> like the frickin landmaster lol

And everyone else that tested stages at some point - BlackWaltzX, 1048576, KingofPing4, Fooly, and again, Geekd

Thanx everyone, seriously ^.^




And if anyone wants to help, please... I could use it. This chart wont be completely done for a little while, and that's just the regular stages. If they get finished, and I decide I still wanna do the unimportant terrain.... yeah.... so if anyone wants to help, it would definitely be appreciated.
 

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Whoa nice, now I can lol when people try to counterpick frigate on me, purple pikmin are AMAZING ^_^
Yeah, seeing that puts a LOT in perspective for me. Like I knew that it has that ONE ledge you can't grab... but I never thought it was a horrible oli stage. A decent CP, but there's worse.
Now I look at it as one of my better stages. I CP'd it against a kirby the other day (it's one of kirby's better stages I hear) and I was like O_O.
Counter picking in favor of colors that help the match up is incredible, <3. If corneria weren't a yellow stage, I would CP pikachu's on frigate as well. It's debatable =-/


~Fino
 

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this is genius

<333333

best thread we've had in a while and very beneficial to the community
 

Fino

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You might want to double check your numbers, I saw a 23/15 that you said wasn't standard. I forget which one, but I remember seeing it last night.... I guess I didn't hit the submit button or something
>_>
lol


~Fino
 

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UNBELIEVEABLE ****. GOOD WORK HILT!

Maybe the greatest thing to ever hit smashboards. Oli boards should love this.

I love american bulborgs. Pikmin for president. Oh wait, slaves can't vote.
 

DtJ Hilt

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UNBELIEVEABLE ****. GOOD WORK HILT!

Maybe the greatest thing to ever hit smashboards. Oli boards should love this.

I love american bulborgs. Pikmin for president. Oh wait, slaves can't vote.
thanx cr4sh ^.^

yeah, i honestly think discovering the American Bulborg made it all worth it lol.
 

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Hilt, I CP'd a marth on frigate because of this (tournament match). He ended up winning the set but I two stocked him on frigate (yellow + purple = marth ****)
:bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee:
YOU'RE AWESOME!! Keep up the good work ;)


~Fino
 

DtJ Hilt

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Hilt, I CP'd a marth on frigate because of this (tournament match). He ended up winning the set but I two stocked him on frigate (yellow + purple = marth ****)
:bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee::bee:
YOU'RE AWESOME!! Keep up the good work ;)


~Fino
That's Amazing!! ^.^
Frigate may actually be a better for olimar now, knowing this. I honestly never hated the stage, and the colors there are too good
 

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Hilt, once again, awesome.

I finally found a quote I've been looking for:

Sakurai said:
As long as there is ground beneath your feet, you can reach down and pull up a Pikmin, but be aware that certain Pikmin are more likely to appear in specific types of flooring.
http://www.smashbros.com/en_us/characters/pikmin.html

Maybe I was the only one looking for exact confirmation. Or maybe it's just old.

But SEE! HA. It's true!
 

geekd

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wow buddy im glad you took this into your own hands cuz im much too lazy to have done this good of a job!

The implications of this information are massive and olimars everywhere owe you a great deal of thanks.

you da man
 

DtJ Hilt

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as i said in the credits, this never would've happened if you never got people interested in this the first place!

thanx!

^.^
 

DtJ Hilt

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okay!! i finally finished rainbow cruise and big blue.... and all of the stages are done now!
^.^

I'll probably go through and take care of some of the unimportant terrain when I have spare time, but the chart's all done now
 

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Consider counterpicking a stage with high yellow percentages to fight Lucas. They're the biggest pain in the *** to get off because they don't get killed by Dair, Nair, Dsmash etc. since they're electric. Reds are annoying because if they're on the front of my face they stop my PK Fire from going out and don't come off easily. But I can stop this for the most part by RARing full hops for my PK Fire spacing. Just a few thoughts for you.

Very interesting read. I'm considering picking up Olimar just because watching you play is so fun, Hilt. He might be a fun secondary or atleast for friendlies. I might be going to the midwest circuit championships. I'll let you know. Good luck all you Oli mains.
 

DtJ Hilt

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Are DAir/Nair/DSmash really electric element?? Dont know why I didnt think about that >.>

wow... i may start picking frigate against you then... I noticed purples seemed to do quite well against your lucas as well.
 

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Yeah purples and reds are the only things that really disrupt my PK Fire camping. Yellows are just difficult to get off so you can damage me if I'm not paying close enough attention. While I'm thinking of it, I think there's a good chance you can hit through my Dair with Fairs or Bairs. I notice you rarely use these against me but Lucas's Dair's priority is only ridiculously good below him. If you hit him in the side with anything it'll knock him out of it. It's something you should try next time.
 

DtJ Hilt

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Added a chart for unimportant terrain from what i've tested so far (which is only the target tests and landmasters >.>)

I've also noticed something that I've been wanting to figure out.

In three areas, the amount of time it takes to pluck pikmin is delayed. There's a very slight pause in between each pikmin pulled. I've had this happen in the last phase of Castle Seige, the inner section of Spear Pillar, and Target Test 2. After timing myself, I was able to pulle six pikmin from regular terrain in roughly a second. In the three above mentioned areas, it took around 1.5 seconds each time. 50% longer.

I dont think it will help or hurt olimar's game in any way... but I'd like to at least know WHY it happens, since it does have something to do with terrain in some way.

Edit: I've now noticed that it's not a pause between plucks, but the terrain actually increases the duration of the pluck. As if it slows it down...
 

Dyyne

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sweet, sticky.

I didn't realize pictochat got some extra whites. Pictocamp anybody?
 

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You, my friend, are an evil genius.

We need people like you in these boards. Very good work, and lots of it. I thank you
 

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brilliant.

my friend hates me playing olimar. whenever he wants to practice, he always says "Use a normal character." To him, normal characters is not olimar and not melee icies. I own him 100% of the time, even against mk. he gets really frustrated at it:
 

DanGR

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I printed out this list and brought it to a tourney yesterday. Surprisingly, it helped me a bit. I'll have to memorize most of this.
 

DtJ Hilt

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Rechecked a few terrains. I now know that Stadium has A LOT of options when it comes to picking the right terrain (Grass stage has three different terrain percentages :D). I'll probably end up picking it a lot more personally.

I also redid the terrain types section.
 
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