Picking up Shiek. Vids. Critique please.

Rubyiris · Jun 17, 2009

DyceDarg · Jun 17, 2009

Just watched video number one (I'm sorry...do you expect me to watch all of those? X_x

and judging by your playing style (just that one video, so don't blame me if I'm terribly wrong) you don't throw a lot? Throwing can be useful to Sheik, especially in combos. I know a favorite of mine is down throw to down/forward tilt (depends on the damage) to a f-air. Also, don't be afraid to get off the stage and f-air edgeguard them like you did in the last 5 seconds of the video. Needledropping is really useful against spaceys by the way. Jump canceled throws would've done wonders though, but pretty good if you're just picking Sheik up O_o.

Rubyiris · Jun 18, 2009

I don't grab as much as I should, but you really should watch all those vids.

And yeah, I pretty much picked up shiek that day, lul.

Teczer0 · Jun 18, 2009

Don't walk so much with f-tilts lol, it can get CCed really easily into grabs.

When you play against falco remember that against mid or high lasers you can dash attack falco under the laser.

If they shoot low lasers you can just aerial over them.

Make sure to learn needle grab its really useful especially against falco. You can even do needle grab if you throw out your needles on his shield as long as you do it at a certain height. It also depends on how many needles have.

For a thinking aid, if you have a full 6 needles you can throw all of them still being in the air like say if your feet are on or in his face. The last needle will have enough stun for you to grab them.

Don't always come back on the edge with a fair, its a common mistake too many sheiks do. Try other things, waveland into shield, shino-stall, roll, stand up, get up attack, mix it up.

I only watched the first game... because I didn't know what to pick LOL. I guess I can try to look at others later.

Funny sheik, I think if you keep at it you can get a great sheik though

Rubyiris · Jun 18, 2009

Voom caught on and started ****** my ledghopped fairs. I'll break that habit soon, hopefully.

pockyD · Jun 18, 2009

nobody has 2 hrs to watch all these videos =\

highlight a few of the better ones if you want actual critique

Rubyiris · Jun 18, 2009

The Sheik boards are lazy, wow. I've got easily double, or triple the material on the fox and falco boards, and they had no problems watching all the vids.

Really, you only need to watch like 1 or 2 videos from each of those listings to get a good idea on what i need to work on, since many of the games are just repeats of the others.

KirbyKaze and Tec0 covered most of the things I need to work on, but i'm always looking for help.

The March Hare · Jun 18, 2009

hmmmmmm......We try..

Anyway, I watched three of your vids. I don't have much to say that isn't already said except that you need practice. As you noted you just picked up sheik, it looks like it. You mainly need more experience, you obviously have a solid basis in melee, just with a different character. You don't know what works and what does with sheik.

Teczer0 · Jun 18, 2009

One thing, if you do land a f-tilt on fox and they either don't CC or you do it when they are in the air.

At low percents grab. At mid-high percents you can just fair them or you can f-tilt them if they DI toward you.

Try double jump fairing when you try to end your combo. It makes it easeir to hit.

D-smash on shield a lot is

.

CC grab or dsmash is

Upsmash OOS was funny :laugh:

And slick movements on one of the games vs PS that waveland fair was hawt =D

Rubyiris · Jun 18, 2009

upsmash OOS is a habit from Fox. XD

It works sometimes, tho. :3

Looks like I won't be going to devastation. Fack. x[

*Edit*

I have a good idea on what to do, and not to do with shiek, but yeah. I've got the technical prowess from being a spacies main, and having an average level of knowledge with shiek just because of occasional dabblings. I'll improve when I go to more events, which might not be happening anytime soon, since I'm moving to Oregon.

KirbyKaze · Jun 18, 2009

Rubyiris said:
The Sheik boards are lazy, wow. I've got easily double, or triple the material on the fox and falco boards, and they had no problems watching all the vids.

Fox and Falco boards are just a bunch of crack-addled 14 year olds, or black people (or people trying to be black). Please don't use them as the standard for smash video interest.

edit: they also have M2K clones.

Rubyiris · Jun 18, 2009

I'm a 19 year old white nerd. I think I fall outside of the norm for spacies players.

soap · Jun 20, 2009

after falling needles, grab instead of doing ground moves. connects better, and has better payoff than ftilt

if the timing of the last needle was not precise and u suspect a move to stop the grab, shffl fair over it.

against falco, just dash attack more, and make your needle setups less obvious.

If u do a jumping charge, that typically signals them to move out the way. Charging in the air also halts aerial movement. Just wait till u are spaced and falling, then tap B once to release. Jumping charges are still useful for storing needles in between lasers and stuff.

Rubyiris · Jun 21, 2009

jumping charge - waveland is sooo sexy.

KirbyKaze · Jun 21, 2009

WD back (with your back turned to them) --> empty pivot so you look at them --> needles is soooo sexy.

But so useless.

Rubyiris · Jun 24, 2009

I am seriously debating on dedicating my Shiek to learning stupid useless ****. Lol.

soap · Jun 25, 2009

Rubyiris said:
I am seriously debating on dedicating my Shiek to learning stupid useless ****. Lol.

way ahead of u broski

Rubyiris · Jun 25, 2009

I play my Falcon like that, lol. the majority of my Falcon's game revolves around moonwalking, and falcon kick. <3

ike_love · Jun 25, 2009

KirbyKaze said:
Fox and Falco boards are just a bunch of crack-addled 14 year olds, or black people (or people trying to be black). Please don't use them as the standard for smash video interest.

^This post is genius! :]

Rubyiris · Jun 25, 2009

ike_love said:
^This post is genius! :]

And nerdy white people. (Me, and m2k.)

The March Hare · Jun 25, 2009

I wonder if the moderators would allow for a poll of the racial mix of sheik players. It only seems fair that we should know what type of people pick sheik.
The spacies know that they're black or want to be, the peach players know that they're gay, fat, or a girl (possibly all three), and the marth players all just want to be m2k. But who are we?

Rubyiris · Jun 25, 2009

+1 nerd for shiek.

KirbyKaze · Jun 25, 2009

I think Sheiks, more than any other character, are a bunch of nerds.

I also think we're all emo.

Teczer0 · Jun 25, 2009

Do I count as a nerd? >_>

KirbyKaze · Jun 25, 2009

Well, I should actually edit that to anime fans, nerds, or emos. Or a combo.

Teczer0 · Jun 25, 2009

I'm never playing sheik again.

I'm just gonna play fox now.

KirbyKaze · Jun 25, 2009

No Haley nooooo I didn't mean it

Rubyiris · Jun 25, 2009

+1 Anime fan.

I'm totally not emo, tho. Far from it, actually.

Teczer0 · Jun 25, 2009

LOL

well +1 Anime fan.

I guess I could be a nerd. I'm going to Otakon, and I already went to Anime Boston.

>_>

The March Hare · Jun 25, 2009

<---White nerd who likes manga but not anime.

soap · Jun 26, 2009

i hate stereotypes

Rubyiris · Jun 28, 2009

soap said:
i hate stereotypes

ily2.

10ilys

Rubyiris · Jul 4, 2009

Bumping with new videos.

Lots of matches vs Forward. ;D

soap · Jul 6, 2009

first match against marth u wavedashed back and downsmashed, then got grabbed.

There were some other uneccesary looking stuff like that.

Be more efficient is my only advice.

Sean is a beast, good to see him playing still.

Rubyiris · Jul 6, 2009

Sean pretty much quit after Devastation, though. =[

Rubyiris · Jul 8, 2009

Falcon is my worst match with Shiek.

I can't tech chase. It's a lot harder than Magus makes it sound.

...Unfortunately I don't have videos showing what I'm having trouble with. I was too lazy to hook up my friends capture card today.

`EX · Jul 9, 2009

KirbyKaze said:
Well, I should actually edit that to anime fans, nerds ~~emos~~ ,or SCENE kids, . Or a combo.

+1 scene kid lol

soap · Jul 9, 2009

Rubyiris said:
Falcon is my worst match with Shiek.

I can't tech chase. It's a lot harder than Magus makes it sound.

...Unfortunately I don't have videos showing what I'm having trouble with. I was too lazy to hook up my friends capture card today.

i have similarly crappy reflexes

dont regrab. if they tech away, dash attack. if they do anything in place, down smash or utilt if they are close enough.

its not the most efficient punishment, but its easy to be consistent at.

KirbyKaze · Jul 10, 2009

Falcon is balls

until you realize that

while it's true

you can **** the balls off him

in the long combos

/ punishment game if

you get good at it, you

also don't really need to.

You're a

fortress of priority and

range, and lagless supremacy, while he's

this battery-powered turbo duck that waddles back and forth and periodically

crashes headfirst into said fortress of priority.

soap · Jul 10, 2009

KirbyKaze said:
Falcon is balls until you realize that while it's true you can **** the balls off him in the long combos / punishment game if you get good at it, you also don't really need to. You're a fortress of priority and range, and lagless supremacy, while he's this battery-powered turbo duck that waddles back and forth and periodically crashes headfirst into said fortress of priority.

u should really use mango formatting for your posts

or plain old doublespacing if u r nub

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