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The problem is that if Lucas recovers from the blast zone, it gives your opponent heaps of time for a free try on edgeguarding you. However, just mixing up your PKT2 trajectory (if that's what you meant) so you don't sweetspot the ledge can work.
How do hydrant drops mess with PKT2 unless they outright hit Lucas out of the move? As far as I know it doesn't lose distance when it hits something unlike Ness's.
Fair enough. The PAC-MAN I play regularly isn't campy, and plays quite aggressively. I didn't consider your points beforehand. Now that I think about it, it's more of a 0 MU for me.
I agree, I have to try my hand on the ZSS MU though, I haven't played against a good one yet.
I did here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNAVfPRkw-4
Yeah definitely looks like in ZSS's favour. Though I do believe that using PSI Magnet to absorb the paralyser and jumping cancelling it right afterwards can help Lucas greatly. Also z-airs for poking her in the neutral can do well as well. Looks like -1 to me.
Well simply throwing out fruit and hoping they hit isn't what pacman is all about. If that pac player is using their noggin, they would realize that against reflectors, you want to fight more aggressively in mid range/CQC with z drops and super glide tosses. You underestimate our rushdown with a fruit in hand (one galaxian hit confirm can lead to 60% at low percentages). That reflector of yours isn't going to smack a key in mid range unless you can see the future.
Key is certainly reactable, but not in the context I was referring to. Reacting to a frame 12 startup key in mid range with a 10 frame startup reflector in nuetral isn't going to be in your favor most of the time. There are so many variables going on in a match. You would have to be focused primarily on the toss of my key and I would have to be completely predictable. Dair isn't too bad for shield poking, but is better for mix ups rather than approaching. Fair is normally ok for hitting shields and then retreating, but your small size makes it hard.
That depends on the character board. For some reason the Lucas boards are just pretty inactive except for a few threads. Probably because not many people are super invested in him competitively, and as a result there aren't a ton of folks around here.
^ omg this.
I´ve played this match multiple times and camping right back is the most viable tactic tbh. Your C-stick should always be on specials, there isn't any reason not to have it on specials. The ease you can throw wave-bounce PK-fire outweighs attack imo. (Smash isn't useful at all)
Thanks for the advice, I prefer to not change in game controls because I play other games like melee and PM, and I like to have quick oos options like up smash and up air. It might feel wonky to switch but Ill definitely have to give that a try and I guess get my camp on.
Lucas's OoS Up-smash and Up-air are kinda pointless to say the least. (I use L to jump so OoS up-smash isn't that hard) It's not more of one move but more less of other moves that will help. Yoshi is way too safe to deal with upclose so avoiding getting near is the best way to deal with it. I haven't played this match-up after the patch though and I lost pre-patch against the second best Yoshi main in my country 2-1 because I was playing to aggressive (And I misread my Lylat cruise pick.) I think it's 50/50 it's just extremely boring and tedious.
Thank you for your help!
