DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
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Media Phantom Phasing (Patch 7.0 buff/nerfed this tech)
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DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
UPDATE:
Patch 7.0 enabled jab, tilts, smashes, AND GRAB to activate Phantom early. They were usable on frame 67 before this, but they did NOT activate Phantom. This doesn't necessarily buff this technique any, but it is notable that they changed this tech without outright removing it.
Patch 7.0 enabled jab, tilts, smashes, AND GRAB to activate Phantom early. They were usable on frame 67 before this, but they did NOT activate Phantom. This doesn't necessarily buff this technique any, but it is notable that they changed this tech without outright removing it.
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I had been wondering about the specifics of this tech. I get it by accident sometimes but never knew the science behind it. Thanks for the post!
P.S. can't this also be done with A moves as well? I swear I've had it happen...
P.S. can't this also be done with A moves as well? I swear I've had it happen...
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
The game puts Zelda into an uncontrollable state during Phantom's charge, lasting 66 frames. In addition, there is a 67 frame window that allows you to cancel Phantom early by pressing B. So, on frame 67, you are no longer in the uncontrollable state but are still charging Phantom. You can do anything that you could normally do, but Phantom is only activated early by layering the B-inputs.
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
Read the reserved post after the video. You predicted the future.
This tech always worked with normals as well as specials, and grab always worked with it as well.
If you have the Right Stick set to Smashes, Tilts, or Specials you can use that too.
I labbed this at launch, and usually opt to use c-stick down to get dtilt while launching Phantom so I'm 110% sure they didn't suddenly change the one-frame window arbitrarily in 7.0.
If you have the Right Stick set to Smashes, Tilts, or Specials you can use that too.
I labbed this at launch, and usually opt to use c-stick down to get dtilt while launching Phantom so I'm 110% sure they didn't suddenly change the one-frame window arbitrarily in 7.0.
DarkStarStorm
Smash Ace
I am 100% certain that it did not activate Phantom. I have labbed this out extensively.
Edit: You could cancel out of it on frame 67 no problem, but Phantom would activate at the end of the timer as per normal. The "change" that they did was that A and Z now activate Phantom when before it was only B. The change is not TARGETED at Phasing, but it affects it.
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Katy Parry
The Only Zelda in Indiana
Okay, so, this tech has actually been known for awhile, Ven was the first Zelda to post it. It’s just called Phantom Cancel in the competitive community.
And as far as I understand, grab has always activated the Phantom, even before patch 7.0. I’ve done it on accident many, many times.
You can even use this tech with a fair or bair. Only really use I have found is using it in tandem with Phantom Slide, a different Zelda tech I discovered awhileeeee back that allows you to leave Phantom behind on a platform/ledge, while Zelda “slides” off. I find the Phantom covers jump, which makes coming at someone with Up B out of a Phantom cancel very surprising.
And as far as I understand, grab has always activated the Phantom, even before patch 7.0. I’ve done it on accident many, many times.
You can even use this tech with a fair or bair. Only really use I have found is using it in tandem with Phantom Slide, a different Zelda tech I discovered awhileeeee back that allows you to leave Phantom behind on a platform/ledge, while Zelda “slides” off. I find the Phantom covers jump, which makes coming at someone with Up B out of a Phantom cancel very surprising.