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Data [Patch 2.0.0] Every character's ledge-grab windows (aerials & airdodge)

Masonomace

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Just as title says. For the past six days since the 1st of February, I've taken it upon myself to begin a project of labbing every, single, ledgegrab. This was inspired originally by the fact that Nintendo actually patched the game with detailed notes of what was changed. And eventually people realized that of all things, they would change the window that would occur when grabbing ledge with said aerial listed. I wasn't aware of any neutral airdodges affected, but it's safe to assume they could touch up on them in future patches.

When you think about this thread, you realize that the result equates to a total of 462 moves labbed out. To the extent that the very first frame seen to grab ledge makes the result & is recorded. Rinse and repeat. So, here's all of the ledgegrabs for every character in the game currently. (This will get updated when DLC characters make it into the game)

Source: https://twitter.com/decentlymace/status/1091341754245165057

Notes:
-I did most of this by myself. Others like Zapp & whoever I didn't mention have done great work in finding some ledgegrab windows from the previous patch to the current build.
-If you have confidence in double-checking these windows, feel free to! I'd love any double, triple or quadruple-check confirmations from other astounding members of the community.:awesome:
-Even if the Echo Fighters didn't actually originate from said Smash Bros. title, I grouped them with the original fighter they mirror as long as their frame data is identical. So.
-Additional notes & comments are beside said ledgegrab windows.
-Smash terminology goes like this:
  • NAir = Neutral Air
  • FAir = Forward Air
  • BAir = Back Air
  • UAir = Up Air
  • DAir = Down Air
-Character-specific jargon goes like this:
  • FAir1, FAir2, & FAir3 = Said aerial when inputted enough times in a frame window to occur up to three times. Bayonetta's FAir is the best example for this.
  • BA = Bullet Arts (This is when a move is held to keep the bullets going in their rate of fire. This happens for all of Bayonetta's aerials.)


Character | NAir | FAir | BAir | UAir | DAir | Airdodge
:ultmario:(Mario) | 55> | 74> | 47> | 41> | 53> | 85>
:ultdk:(Donkey Kong) | 45> | 63> | 51> | 59> | 59> | 61>
:ultlink:(Link) | 61> | 69> | 51> | 61> | 101> | 76>
:ultsamus:(Samus) :ultdarksamus:(Dark Samus) | 53> | 65> | 59> | 55> | 61> | 66>
:ultyoshi:(Yoshi) | 61> | 68> | 65> | 48> | 67> | 60>
:ultkirby:(Kirby) | 74> | 70> | 45> | 49> | 61> | 64>
:ultfox:(Fox) | 49> | 65> | 51> | 41> | 56> | 61>
:ultpikachu:(Pikachu) | 47> | 55> | 55> | 37> | 59> | 81>
:ultluigi:(Luigi) | 53> | 47> | 53> | 39> | 36> | 59>
:ultness:(Ness) | 50> | 51> | 51> | 48> | 61> | 61>
:ultfalcon:(Captain Falcon) | 51> | 61> | 46> | 54> | 56> | 52>
:ultjigglypuff:(Jigglypuff) | 53> | 60> | 54> | 51> | 56> | 76>
:ultpeach:(Peach) :ultdaisy:(Daisy) | 59> | 77> | 65> | 55> | 49> | 94>
:ultbowser:(Bowser) | 68> | 55> | 52> | 49> | 87> | 48>
:ulticeclimbers:(Ice Climbers) | 66> | 66> | 47> | 47> | 70> | 60>
:ultsheik:(Sheik) | 63> | 59> | 47> | 55> | 63> | 66>
:ultzelda:(Zelda) | 69> | 61> | 60> | 65> | 62> | 68>
:ultdoc:(Dr. Mario) | 55> | 74> | 47> | 41> | 61> | 85>
:ultpichu:(Pichu) | 43> | 61> | 61> | 29> | 59> | 44>
:ultfalco:(Falco) | 62> | 63> | 61> | 43> | 55> | 65>
:ultmarth:(Marth) :ultlucina:(Lucina) | 51> | 45> | 45> | 57> | 71> | 54>
:ultyounglink:(Young Link) | 56> | 51> | 53> | 76> | 91> | 83>
:ultganondorf:(Ganondorf) | 57> | 61> | 57> | 58> | 61> | 71>
:ultmewtwo:(Mewtwo) | 60> | 56> | 51> | 57> | 68> | 86>
:ultroy:(Roy) :ultchrom:(Chrom) | 51> | 52> | 45> | 57> | 71> | 46>
:ultgnw:(Mr. Game & Watch) | 48> | 51> | 43> | 44> | 53> | 61>
:ultmetaknight:(Meta Knight) | 41> | 56> | 61> | 43> | 43> | 80>
:ultpit:(Pit) :ultdarkpit:(Dark Pit) | 69> | 68> | 57> | 61> | 62> | 85>
:ultzss:(Zero Suit Samus) | 53> | 71> | 53> | 59> | 69> | 71>
:ultwario:(Wario) | 53> | 52> | 57> | 56> | 72> | 52>
:ultsnake:(Snake) | 68> | 75> | 49> | 59> | 81> | 79>
:ultike:(Ike) | 70> | 71> | 64> | 66> | 69> | 51>
:ultsquirtle:(Squirtle) | 52> | 41> | 43> | 43> | 58> | 74>
:ultivysaur:(Ivysaur) | 61> | 66> | 57> | 53> | 65> | 58>
:ultcharizard:(Charizard) | 54> | 49> | 53> | 61> | 61> | 80>
:ultdiddy:(Diddy Kong) | 51> | 56> | 55> | 50> | 54> | 59>
:ultlucas:(Lucas) | 69> | 53> | 54> | 50> | 62> | 58>
:ultsonic:(Sonic) | 71> | 57> | 48> | 56> | 63> | 52>
:ultkingdedede:(King Dedede) | 41> | 56> | 58> | 61> | 57> | 45>
:ultolimar:(Olimar) | 55> | 53> | 59> | 44> | 61> | 59>
:ultlucario:(Lucario) | 58> | 52> | 63> | 56> | 42> | 60>
:ultrob:(R.O.B.) | 49> | 45> | 60> | 67> | 71> | 52>
:ulttoonlink:(Toon Link) | 60> | 53> | 60> | 71> | 91> | 58>
:ultwolf:(Wolf) | 52> | 53> | 67> | 45> | 61> | 62>
:ultvillagerf::ultvillager:(Villager) | 59> | 56> | 55> | 51> | 61> | 59>
:ultmegaman:(Mega Man) | (1): 35> | 51> | 49> | 61> | 71> | 47>
:ultwiifittrainer::ultwiifittrainerm:(Wii Fit Trainer) | 46> | 49> | 55> | 41> | 54> | 59>
:ultrosalina:(Rosalina & Luma) | 68> | 84> | 75> | 59> | 67> | 64>
:ultlittlemac:(Little Mac) | 40> | 43> | 61> | 66> | 51> | 56>
:ultgreninja:(Greninja) | 66> | 71> | 59> | 49> | 61> | 53>
:ultmiifighters::ultbrawler:(Mii Brawler) | 57> | 56> | 64> | 54> | 61> | 56>
:ultmiifighters::ultswordfighter:(Mii Swordfighter) | 61> | 65> | 56> | 62> | 70> | 72>
:ultmiifighters::ultgunner:(Mii Gunner) | 57> | 66> | 57> | 79> | 65> | 59>
:ultpalutena:(Palutena) | 66> | 60> | 54> | 67> | 71> | 51>
:ultpacman:(PAC-MAN) | 56> | 50> | 46> | 61> | 68> | 66>
:ultrobinf::ultrobin:(Robin) | 69> | 42> | 51> | 60> | 69> | 56>
:ultshulk:(Shulk) | 81> | 66> | 72> | 79> | 80> | 51>
:ultbowserjr:(Bowser Jr.) | 53> | 59> | 61> | 45> | 62> | 66>
:ultduckhunt:(Duck Hunt) | 67> | 51> | 51> | 56> | 61> | 51>
:ultryu:(Ryu) | 46> | 41> | 53> | 51> | 47> | 51>
:ultcloud:(Cloud) | 54> | 78> | 61> | 57> | 79> | 79>
:ultcorrinf::ultcorrin:(Corrin) | 63> | 60> | 57> | 59> | 61> | 61>
:ultbayonetta1::ultbayonetta:(Bayonetta) | 57> | (1): 41>, (2): 49>, (3): 57> | 41> | 49> | 59> | 47>
:ultinkling::ultinklingboy:(Inkling) | 56> | 57> | 48> | 57> | 65> | 86>
:ultridley:(Ridley) | 64> | 66> | 53> | 51> | 80> | 48>
:ultsimon:(Simon) :ultrichter:(Richter) | 57> | 40> | 40> | 40> | 67> | 77>
:ultkrool:(King K. Rool) | 55> | 60> | 77> | 102> | 72> | 86>
:ultisabelle:(Isabelle) | 58> | 60> | 56> |59> | 61> | 60>
:ultken:(Ken) | 36> | 41> | 53> | 39> | 47> | 51>
:ultincineroar:(Incineroar) | 57> | 67> | 61> | 56> | 61> | 87>
:ultpiranha:(Piranha Plant) | 61> | 64> | 71> | 53> | 54> | 44>
(Joker) | 71+ | 53+ | 47+ | 51+ | 59+ | 79+
TO | BE | CON | TIN | UED | ? | !


:ultmario:
NAir: 55>
FAir: 74>
BAir: 47>
UAir: 41>
DAir: 53>
Airdodge: 85>


:ultdk:
NAir: 45>
FAir: 63>
BAir: 51>
UAir: 59>
DAir: 59>
Airdodge: 61>


:ultlink:
NAir: 61>
FAir: 69>
BAir: 51>
UAir: 61>
DAir: 101> (JEEZ)
Airdodge: 76>


:ultsamus::ultdarksamus:
NAir: 53>
FAir: 65>
BAir: 59>
UAir: 55>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 66>


:ultyoshi:
NAir: 61>
FAir: 68>
BAir: 65>
UAir: 48>
DAir: 67>
Airdodge: 60>


:ultkirby:
NAir: 74>
FAir: 70>
BAir: 45>
UAir: 49>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 64>


:ultfox:
NAir: 49>
FAir: 65>
BAir: 51
UAir: 41>
DAir: 56
Airdodge: 61>


:ultpikachu:
NAir: 47>
FAir: 55>
BAir: 55>
UAir: 37>
DAir: 59>
Airdodge: 81>


:ultluigi:
NAir: 53>
FAir: 47>
BAir: 53>
UAir: 39>
DAir: 36>
Airdodge: 59>


:ultness:
NAir: 50>
FAir: 51>
BAir: 51>
UAir: 48>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 61>


:ultfalcon:
NAir: 51>
FAir: 61>
BAir: 46>
UAir: 54>
DAir: 56>
Airdodge: 52>


:ultjigglypuff:
NAir: 53>
FAir: 60>
BAir: 54>
UAir: 51>
DAir: 56>
Airdodge: 76>


:ultpeach::ultdaisy:
NAir: 59>
FAir: 77>
BAir: 65>
UAir: 55>
DAir: 49>
Airdodge: 94> (JEEZ)


:ultbowser:
NAir: 68>
FAir: 55>
BAir: 52>
UAir: 49>
DAir: 87> (Can't you at least be 75> lol. Why be this high lmao)
Airdodge: 48>


:ulticeclimbers: (Popo & Nana are identical)
NAir: 66>
FAir: 66>
BAir: 47>
UAir: 47>
DAir: 70>
Airdodge: 60>


:ultsheik:
NAir: 63>
FAir: 59>
BAir: 47>
UAir: 55>
DAir: 63> (YES I DID IT! FRICK THIS MOVE LOL. WHY CAN'T YOU BE 50>???!!)
Airdodge: 66>


:ultzelda:
NAir: 69>
FAir: 61>
BAir: 60>
UAir: 65>
DAir: 62>
Airdodge: 68>


:ultdoc: (Not Mario's echo, but the results are nearly identical)
NAir: 55>
FAir: 74>
BAir: 47>
UAir: 41>
DAir: 61> (At least the DAir is different from Mario...)
Airdodge: 85>


:ultpichu:
NAir: 43>
FAir: 61>
BAir: 61>
UAir: 29>
DAir: 59>
Airdodge: 44>


:ultfalco:
NAir: 62>
FAir: 63>
BAir: 61>
UAir: 43>
DAir: 55>
Airdodge: 65>


:ultmarth::ultlucina:
NAir: 51>
FAir: 45>
BAir: 45>
UAir: 57>
DAir: 71>
Airdodge: 54>


:ultyounglink:
NAir: 56>
FAir: 51>
BAir: 53>
UAir: 76>
DAir: 91> (Not as harsh as Link's but JEEZ)
Airdodge: 83> (Oh my god please stop this. Someone help this poor boy)


:ultganondorf:
NAir: 57>
FAir: 61>
BAir: 57>
UAir: 58>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 71>


:ultmewtwo:
NAir: 60>
FAir: 56>
BAir: 51>
UAir: 57>
DAir: 68>
Airdodge: 86>


:ultroy::ultchrom:
NAir: 51>
FAir: 52>
BAir: 45>
UAir: 57>
DAir: 71>
Airdodge: 46>


:ultgnw:
NAir: 48>
FAir: 51>
BAir: 43>
UAir: 44>
DAir: 53> (GaW, you made it so easy to figure out tysm <3)
Airdodge: 61>


:ultmetaknight:
NAir: 41>
FAir: 56>
BAir: 61>
UAir: 43>
DAir: 43>
Airdodge: 80> (Omg help him)


:ultpit::ultdarkpit:
NAir: 69>
FAir: 68>
BAir: 57>
UAir: 61>
DAir: 62>
Airdodge: 85> (Jeez help these boys)


:ultzss:
NAir: 53>
FAir: 71>
BAir: 53>
UAir: 59>
DAir: 69> (YOOOOO I GOT THIS QUICK. It could afford to be 65> at least)
Airdodge: 71>


:ultwario:
NAir: 53>
FAir: 52>
BAir: 57>
UAir: 56>
DAir: 72>
Airdodge: 52>


:ultsnake:
NAir: 68>
FAir: 75>
BAir: 49>
UAir: 59>
DAir: 81
Airdodge: 79>


:ultike:
NAir: 70> (Cmon...)
FAir: 71>
BAir: 64>
UAir: 66>
DAir: 69>
Airdodge: 51>


:ultpokemontrainer::ultpokemontrainerf:
:ultsquirtle: (Yo is that Quagsire?! :195::195::195:)
NAir: 52>
FAir: 41>
BAir: 43>
UAir: 43>
DAir: 58>
Airdodge: 74>


:ultivysaur:
NAir: 61>
FAir: 66>
BAir: 57>
UAir: 53>
DAir: 65>
Airdodge: 58>


:ultcharizard:
NAir: 54>
FAir: 49>
BAir: 53>
UAir: 61>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 80> ( So sad)


:ultdiddy:
NAir: 51>
FAir: 56>
BAir: 55>
UAir: 50>
DAir: 54>
Airdodge: 59>


:ultlucas: (Testing him was awkward, so double-checking would be great)
NAir: 69>
FAir: 53>
BAir: 54>
UAir: 50>
DAir: 62>
Airdodge: 58>


:ultsonic:
NAir: 71>
FAir: 57>
BAir: 48>
UAir: 56>
DAir: 63> (WHEW)
Airdodge: 52>


:ultkingdedede:
NAir: 41>
FAir: 56>
BAir: 58>
UAir: 61>
DAir: 57>
Airdodge: 45> (Damn that's godlike for DDD)


:ultolimar: (I didn't notice change with or without different Pikmin)
NAir: 55>
FAir: 53>
BAir: 59>
UAir: 44>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 59>


:ultlucario: (Come to think of it, Aura as a mechanic shouldn't matter but... I never actually checked his ledgegrab windows with max or medium Aura while making this post LOL)
NAir: 58>
FAir: 52>
BAir: 63>
UAir: 56>
DAir: 42>
Airdodge: 60>


:ultrob:
NAir: 49>
FAir: 45>
BAir: 60>
UAir: 67>
DAir: 71> (Dang really? Sucks)
Airdodge: 52>


:ulttoonlink:
NAir: 60>
FAir: 53>
BAir: 60>
UAir: 71>
DAir: 91> (JEEZ. Could you at least be something like 80>?!)
Airdodge: 58>


:ultwolf:
NAir: 52>
FAir: 53>
BAir: 67>
UAir: 45>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 62>


:ultvillager::ultvillagerf:
NAir: 59>
FAir: 56>
BAir: 55>
UAir: 51>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 59>


:ultmegaman:
NAir: 35> (Multiple inputs of NAir pellets may differ this result. I didn't check NAir2 or NAir3 but can)
FAir: 51>
BAir: 49>
UAir: 61>
DAir: 71>
Airdodge: 47>


:ultwiifittrainer::ultwiifittrainerm:
NAir: 46>
FAir: 49>
BAir: 55>
UAir: 41>
DAir: 54>
Airdodge: 59>


:ultrosalina:
NAir: 68>
FAir: 84>
BAir: 75>
UAir: 59>
DAir: 67>
Airdodge: 64>


:ultlittlemac:
NAir: 40>
FAir: 43>
BAir: 61>
UAir: 66>
DAir: 51> (Has to be frame perfect from ledge-drop LOL. Make it 47> smh)
Airdodge: 56>


:ultgreninja:
NAir: 66>
FAir: 71> (Based on animation, this could easily be patched to be 65>. Shame)
BAir: 59>
UAir: 49>
DAir: 61> (Thank Bionis you were easy to discover <3)
Airdodge: 53>


:ultmiifighters::ultbrawler:
NAir: 57>
FAir: 56>
BAir: 64>
UAir: 54>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 56>


:ultmiifighters::ultswordfighter:
NAir: 61>
FAir: 65>
BAir: 56>
UAir: 62>
DAir: 70>
Airdodge: 72>


:ultmiifighters::ultgunner:
NAir: 57>
FAir: 66>
BAir: 57>
UAir: 79>
DAir: 65>
Airdodge: 59>


:ultpalutena:
NAir: 66>
FAir: 60>
BAir: 54>
UAir: 67>
DAir: 71>
Airdodge: 51>


:ultpacman:
NAir: 56>
FAir: 50>
BAir: 46>
UAir: 61>
DAir: 68>
Airdodge: 66>


:ultrobin::ultrobinf: (Unlike Autocancels, Levin & Bronze don't seem to change the ledgegrab windows. Wouldn't mind double-checks)
NAir: 69>
FAir: 42>
BAir: 51>
UAir: 60>
DAir: 69>
Airdodge: 56>


:ultshulk:
NAir: 81> (WHY ARE YOU STILL THIS BAD?... You can at least be 75> Bionis festing Christ)
FAir: 66>
BAir: 72> (You can afford to be 67>...)
UAir: 79> (You can afford to be 75>...)
DAir: 80> (You can afford to be 73>...)
Airdodge: 51>


:ultbowserjr::ultlarry::ultroy2::ultwendy::ultiggy::ultmorton::ultlemmy::ultludwig: (I didn't actually lab all of the palettes. I'd be way past mad if alternate costumes sported different frame data LOL)
NAir: 53>
FAir: 59>
BAir: 61>
UAir: 45>
DAir: 62>
Airdodge: 66>


:ultduckhunt:
NAir: 67>
FAir: 51>
BAir: 51>
UAir: 56>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 51>


:ultryu: (You thought Ken was identical? THINK AGAIN!)
NAir: 46>
FAir: 41>
BAir: 53>
UAir: 51>
DAir: 47>
Airdodge: 51>


:ultcloud:
NAir: 54> (You could at least be 47>)
FAir: 78> (You could at least be 74>)
BAir: 61> (You could at least be 50>)
UAir: 57> (You could at least be 50>)
DAir: 79> (You could at least be 65> lmao)
Airdodge: 79> (You could at least be 65>, or 70> lmao)


:ultcorrin::ultcorrinf:
NAir: 63>
FAir: 60>
BAir: 57>
UAir: 59>
DAir: 61> (Could at least be freakin' 50>. Come on)
Airdodge: 61>


:ultbayonetta1::ultbayonetta: (I promise I can provide Bullet Arts ledgegrab windows. I have NAir and FAir1 2 & 3 down to a T)
NAir: 57>
FAir1: 41>
FAir2: 49>
FAir3: 57>
BAir: 41>
UAir: 49>
DAir: 59> (This could afford to be 50>)
Airdodge: 47> (Could afford to be 45>)


:ultinkling::ultinklingboy:
NAir: 56>
FAir: 57>
BAir: 48>
UAir: 57>
DAir: 65> (Could at least be 60>)
Airdodge: 86> (Omg someone help them. This could at least be 80>)


:ultridley:
NAir: 64>
FAir: 66>
BAir: 53>
UAir: 51> (DANG)
DAir: 80> (I wish I could stick up for preaching about a shorter window but, it matches up pretty well with the falling animation reset once he hits frame 80. Fml I'm sorry Ridley mains)
Airdodge: 48> (DAMN THIS IS GOOD)


:ultsimon::ultrichter: (In tweets I've made, the Belmonts can differ in ledgegrab timings when interacting with different types of ledges. Wall stages have altered ledges that affect this.)
NAir: 57> (Could of been 48>. Smh)
FAir: 40> (This differs on different ledges.)
BAir: 40>
UAir: 40> (This can differ on different ledges? Not as often as FAir)
DAir: 67>
Airdodge: 77> (Could at least be 45>, 50>, or 55>. Absolutely ridiculous)


:ultkrool: (In terms of animation balancing, it's ideal & a great start to consider patches that revolve around a character's casual descent through the air. For K. Rool especially, his large left eye will close half-way when his falling animation reaches around the "end" point. So for like NAir, it's listed as 55> but in the game it's very close to the realistic fact that his eye closes half-way on the 53rd or 54th frame. This is why I'm especially critical on my feedback for his windows being so bad.)
NAir: 55>
FAir: 60> (Could at least be 51>, or 55>)
BAir: 77> (Could at least be 65>, or 70>)
UAir: 102> (YOU COULD AT LEAST BE 90>, OR 95>)
DAir: 72> (Could at least be 65>)
Airdodge: 86> (Could at least be 85>)


:ultisabelle:
NAir: 58>
FAir: 60>
BAir: 56>
UAir: 59>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 60>


:ultken:
NAir: 36>
FAir: 41>
BAir: 53>
UAir: 39>
DAir: 47>
Airdodge: 51>


:ultincineroar:
NAir: 57>
FAir: 67>
BAir: 61> (Could at least be 55>
UAir: 56>
DAir: 61>
Airdodge: 87> (Could at least be 75>. This is ridiculous)


:ultpiranha:
NAir: 61>
FAir: 64>
BAir: 71>
UAir: 53>
DAir: 54>
Airdodge: 44>


TO BE CONTINUED?


Thanks for reading!
 
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