Patch 1.1.5

[KayJay]

Samus finally got huge buffs:

So far I can confirm:

F-tilt does 10% dmg now, sourspot F-tilt does 8% and is safe on hit at low% (this is huge, it's a really good neutral move now) Sourspot can also tripp the opponent. Angled F-tilt does 11% dmg

F-tilt also got Knockback increase, Mario dies at ~115% at the ledge on FD by a downangled F-tilt

N-air does 10%dmg instead of 8% and it kills earlier.

Standing Grab, Dash Grab, Pivot Grab have less ending lag. (compared with unpatched 3DS Version)

Dash Attack has a new early hitbox with 7% dmg. Much better combo potential, also Jab1 > Dash Attack is now true at around ~85%


Update:

• Homing Missile Startup: 20F -> 18F
• Super Missile:
  • Startup: 23F -> 21F
  • Frames 23-43: Frame Duration of 1.1 added (Increases duration of shooting animation by 2 frames, thus not changing the duration of the move as a whole)
• Ftilt:
  • Down Angle:
    • Damage: 6/7/8/9 -> 8/9/10/11
    • BKB: 10/10/30/30 -> 20/20/30/30
  • Normal Angle:
    • Damage: 5/6/7/8 -> 7/8/9/10
    • BKB: 10/10/30/30 -> 20/20/30/30
  • Up Angle:
    • Damage: 6/7/8/9 -> 8/9/10/11
    • BKB: 10/10/30/30 -> 20/20/30/30
• Nair:
  • Hit 1 Damage: 8/8 -> 10/10
  • Hit 2 (Normal) Damage: 7/7 -> 9/9
  • Hit 2 (Late):
    • Damage: 6/6 -> 8/8
    • Size: 3.3/3.3 -> 3.6/3.6
    • Z Position: 5.3/0 -> 5.4/0
• Fair:
  • First Hit:
    • Hitbox 1:
      • Angle: 295 -> 60
      • WBKB: 3 -> 15
    • Hitbox 2:
      • WBKB: 3 -> 15
      • Size: 6 -> 4
      • X/Z Position: 0/9 -> 2/10.7
    • Hitbox 3 (Entirely New Hitbox):
      • Damage: N/A -> 3
      • Angle: N/A -> 80
      • BKG: N/A -> 100
      • WBKB: N/A -> 15
      • Size: N/A -> 4
      • X/Y/Z Position: N/A -> (-2, -.6, 7.2)
      • Stretch X/Y/Z Position: N/A -> (-2, -.6, 7.2)
  • Hits 2-4:
    • Hitbox 1:
      • Angle: 20 -> 18
      • WBKB: 25 -> 30
• Bomb IASA Crouch Cancel Frame: 47F -> 45F
• Dash Attack:
  • Early Hit (Entirely New Hitbox):
    • Hitbox: N/A -> 8F
    • Damage: N/A -> 7
    • Angle: N/A -> 75
    • BKG: N/A -> 60
    • BKB: N/A -> 80
    • Size: N/A -> 4.5
  • Total Frames: 37F -> 33F
  • Shield Damage: 2 -> 1
• Dsmash Total Frames: 51F -> 44F
• Standing Grab Total Frames: 75F -> 69F
• Dash Grab Total Frames: 73F -> 67F
• Pivot Grab Total Frames: 89F -> 83F
• Air Speed: .95 -> 1.03
• Gravity: .75 -> .77
• Fall Speed: 1.25 -> 1.3
• Fastfall Speed: 2 -> 2.08

 

[Squaddle]

Can confirm nair and f-tilt changes! First hit of nair does 10% now, second hit deals a crisp 9, and f-tilt is indeed useable again.

this is seriously amazing!

 

[Ferox]

Did they fix dash attack? Because it looks that way to me. Dont want it to be super placebo.

 

[Slugginz]

I really hope you're right

 

[Fancykong]

WHAAAAAT!? THEY FIXED DASH ATTACK!? That and Ftilt were all I needed, I'm so happy.

 

[Doeboy]

can also confirm nair and ftilt increases, looking into more now as well

does jab 1 into jab 2 seem faster?

 

[Afro Smash]

New early hitbox that does 7% on dash attack, looks like it might combo til late?

 

[Slugginz]

Oh my god when you use her dash attack it ACTUALLY WORKS IT'S BEAUTIFUL

 

[Squaddle]

Did they fix dash attack? Because it looks that way to me. Dont want it to be super placebo.

Dash attack's late hitbox seems bigger, which would be why it feels more consistent to you, the timing is much less strict. it also does an extra 1% which is pretty nice!

 

[White_Pointer]

Can anyone confirm 100% if her grabs have less endlag on them? Also does she have a kill throw?

 

[Afro Smash]

I'll just say it now any up smash linking buffs or grab lag buffs are 99% likely to be placebo, it's said every patch, no kill throw either White_Pointer

 

[White_Pointer]

no kill throw either White_Pointer

Dang. Oh well, At least I got one of my wishes it seems with less endlag on grabs, even if it's only 5-10 frames.

 

[Afro Smash]

F Smash hitbox apparently buffed to stop whiffs when theyre deep within you, potential minimal airspeed increase too

 

[Ometeotl]

S A M U S B O Y Z
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It's time.

 

[White_Pointer]

https://twitter.com/PG_ESAM

According to ESAM jab 1 actually true combos into jab 2 starting at 45%!

EDIT: He's also saying "Up B always connects", not entirely sure what he means by that though.

 

[Hark17ball]

I can't even right now

 

[LIQUID12A]

THIS IS EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER WANTED THANK YOU SAKURAI

 

[Garo]

F-throw and B-throw seem to send the opponent more horizontally. Confirm/disconfirm?

 

[Afro Smash]

Up B seems to link better, havent had somone fall out off the side even when trying, and they dont pop out the top like they used to if you did grounded up b vs enemy on top platform

 

[Metallinatus]

Wtf is this out of nowhere? We literally just got blessed lol
Is Samus top tier now?

 

[Zaprong]

Fair links a lot better

Can confirm, 1.1.4 it doesnt connect on fox after a dthrow at 0% but now does

 

[XxBlazingSpeedxX]

Omg I haven't been this happy in a while!!!! Haha I was about to post everything I found but y'all already covered exactly everything I had written down.

 

[zeldasmash]

Wtf is this out of nowhere? We literally just got blessed lol
Is Samus top tier now?

She's definitely a hell of a lot better now, but calling her a top tier is a bit of a stretch.

Though Sheik just got beaten over the head with the nerf stick so anything can happen.

 

[Saykrd]

[Probably placebo, pls test on one system to confirm] Ftilt might have also gotten some KBG changes as well. It kills at least 30% earlier. (167% > 135% on Mario from the edge of battlefield)

 

[Meta_X]

Suit upgrade boizz ??

 

[Afro Smash]

Our fall speed has been confirmed increased in main thread

 

[zblaqk]

Izaw must be sad

 

[Metallinatus]

She's definitely a hell of a lot better now, but calling her a top tier is a bit of a stretch.

Though Sheik just got beaten over the head with the nerf stick so anything can happen.

Although I stand on my ground that she was mid tier before the patch, I know she is not near the top yet lol it was just part of the overreaction
And the buffs news keep on coming!!! I would like to help with the discoveries too, but those patches never come at a good hour....

 

[Doeboy]

Ftilt might have also gotten some KBG changes as well. It kills at least 30% earlier. (167% > 135% on Mario from the edge of battlefield)

If that's the case, it must have a higher KB coefficient. The 1% damage buff isn't enough to cause such a drastic change (should be [10-9]/9 = 11.1% more KB, and killing 30% earlier doesn't match with that).

This could be a flawed understanding of overall KB though so my B of that's not true.

 

[Hark17ball]

Ftilt might have also gotten some KBG changes as well. It kills at least 30% earlier. (167% > 135% on Mario from the edge of battlefield)

Was this used on BOTH WiiU or Both 3DS? Remember 3DS has bigger blast zones and will alter stats.

 

[Saykrd]

Was this used on BOTH WiiU or Both 3DS? Remember 3DS has bigger blast zones and will alter stats.

Ah I see, that might be placebo then.

 

[strike42]

Did dtilt's knockback get buffed?

I killed kirby in like the middle of the mario kart fg stage at 130%, I only had 50% worth of rage.

 

[JAZZ_]

Hubba what the fudge?!?!? I was so psyched about Izaws video and mostly @DungeonMaster and his complete combo video which blew my mind. Now things change as soon as they come out? What the nuggets? I don't know if I'm happy or not

 

[White_Pointer]

ESAM's saying bombs come out faster now. Can anyone confirm? I'm wondering if they actually come out faster or whether it's the effect of the faster fall speed that makes it look like they are faster:

https://twitter.com/PG_ESAM/status/709965113260974081

 

[Metal Shop X]

Sakurai.
Thank you, alot.
Now, TIME TO BEAT SOME ASS IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN!!!!!
(Oh by the way, Samus is one of my favourite character in Smash 4, so that's why i post that here.)

 

[Neldy09]

I'm entirely willing to write this off as placebo, but it doesn't seem to me like her screw-attack recovers as far vertically. If the bomb recovery has been buffed, I suppose it would make sense to nerf that a little bit though. Any one else have any experiences with this or any thoughts?

 

[XxBlazingSpeedxX]

Okay wow the new kill power of the Nair is leading to some extremely early kills offstage. This is amazing.

 

[NamelessHunter]

Wow. Almost two years now. I've been playing the same crappy character for almost two years now. I logged into smash tonight and started playing for glory with Samus, but this wasn't the character I've been playing. The Samus I've been playing was slow. This Samus SHADs around my opponent with ease. My Samus couldn't hit, but this Samus can spike with great accuracy. My Samus couldn't kill, but this Samus is a hunter.

I hope I don't wake up. :')

 

[-Fe-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YuI_Z0Cr4c

I know people mentioned some of ESAM's tweets, no one showed the video he made, so I thought I might as well. I think everything in it was already mentioned, but if you want to SEE the difference, here's a video with some of it,

 

[Saykrd]

[Probably placebo, pls test on one system to confirm] Ftilt might have also gotten some KBG changes as well. It kills at least 30% earlier. (167% > 135% on Mario from the edge of battlefield)

Alright re-confirming this. Just updated my 3ds to 1.1.5. Unless they changed the blastzones of 3ds battlefield this is most likely confirmed. Ftilt kills 30%+ earlier

So far these are my findings at least:

Jab1: Possible angle/knockback change to make it link into jab 2 better.
Jab2: Unchanged.
Dtilt: Unchanged.
Utilt: Unchanged.
Ftilt: Hitboxes do 2% more damage. Kills earlier (30% earlier). Also, inner most hitbox sends opponent into tumble also a good 30% earlier (so hipcheck charge shot is a viable thing now! As early as like, 90%!)
USmash: Unchanged.
DSmash: Unchanged.
FSmash: Unchanged. ( People reported better Hitboxes but I don't see much difference. I might be wrong tho. Damage wise it is still the same)
Dash Atk: Hitbox increased. Has early Hitbox on start up. Seems to have a lot less hitlag as well. Combos easier.
UAir: Unchanged.
DAir: Unchanged.
BAir: Unchanged.
FAir: Unchanged.
NAir: Hitboxes do 2% more damage and sends opponent into tumble circa 6-8% earlier. Kills earlier.
ZAir: Unchanged.

All throws seem unchanged.
All specials other than bombs seem unchanged.
Bombs may come out earlier but I don't want to comment on startup/cooldowns until we get the frame data. Same with grabs.