Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[#HBC | J]

Not necessarily, worrying anymore Kary, I'm just disappointed/feels weird how you keep trying to appeal to me and what I think of you with your last post, and how you brought up if we were town-bros twice.

Something about you is just sending off red flags.

Also, the only person "stuck" in RVS is Adumb. ;P

And Kary, I would like you to explain why you are "with" people on the Bardull situation. No one has really fleshed out why Bardull is scummy in their eyes and I would like you to be the person to do as such.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

@adum:
I think I disagree with you on 'best' and 'most useful' but nevermind.

@J:
I dislike the phrase 'red flags', but what the hell. And I disagree that I'm trying to appeal to you, really I'm trying to prompt you into a conversation. I'll admit it probably feels weird.

I dislike Bardull's tone so far. Some of his questions struck me as kind of hollow and I wonder where he's going with his play so far, so he has a question mark from me.
In my opinion he's normally pretty easy to read so I will stomach a re-read of him a bit later and whip up some points for him to answer.

M'afraid it's pub time right now though, catch you later.

 

[Overswarm]

pub is code for mafia quick topic

 

[Ronike]

...pub time? Again? Whatever...

I guess I should clarify about bardull: one of the other things I noticed about myself when I took a step back was that I don't look at people that get chummy with me as close as I should. This has happened to me pretty regularly, all the way back to my first game, so I'm trying to actively negate it by keeping a close eye on people getting chummy. That I think they are scummy is prolly not the way to put it, more so just suspicious or to use the acronym IGEMOY. I dont really agree with the sentiment that he seems hollow or fake, he's closer to a null for me.

So, now that I've got that cleared up, that was a nice read Adum, thanks for that. In following with that advice,

Vote: seph

Do not like the way you are going about things. And not just the "IMA SHOOT YOU IF YOU DON'T VOTE X" stuff, the ps, pps, etc. stuff is just artificially raising post count in the thread, which can be used to coast later since you'll have a bunch of small empty posts compared to people with fewer posts with actual content. And I also really don't like your whole gonna shoot you act.

 

[Overswarm]

Seph is town, and not a vig. I'll be double checking on this personally at some point, and he knows SOMEONE will anyway; bringing that much attention to himself is silly. He's probably bulletproof or a bomb or something and just trying to force mafia to kill him tonight. Not exactly a strong plan given how obvious it is.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

@Sangfroid, what is it that you like about my #91?

Your response to Chibo.

I love you bro, you somehow managed to save RVS.

If you aren't going to answer my other questions, can you at least explain to me why you think RVS is so important? I agree, it can be good to have, but there's no use in continuing it after it's dead, or past a certain point.

Sang/OS/Adumb are the three people that haven't given me anything really in terms of reads so can you three tell me who you think is the scummiest so far in this game? Are they deserving to be lynched at this stage or just more of someone you feel needs to be pressured? Talk to me about Kary/Pierce please too.

Alright, I can't tell if that was directed at me, OS, and Adumb or not, because, although the first sentence makes it seem like it is, the other two are a bit confusing.

 

[Overswarm]

 

[Inferno3044]

J (0)
SangfroidWarrior (3) Adum, Rajam, marshy
Rajam (1) Kary
John2k4 (0)
Pierce7d (0)
Chibosempai (1) John
BarDulL (1) Seph
Sephiroths Masamune (1) Ronike
Ronike (0)
adumbrodeus (2) Pierce, OS
Kary (1) J
Overswarm (0)
marshy (1) Bardull

Not voting: Sang, Chibo

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is set to 6/11 at 11:59pm EST.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i cannot believe it takes this long to kill someone. everyone vote sangfroid so we can be done with this day. not that hard

 

[#HBC | Kary]

RVS is an important stage of the game Chibo, not participating in it is pretty anti-town of you. Why are you deliberately not contributing?

There wasn't a point, I thought it would be funny to answer OS's question to Kary and state that I was rooming with Kary. :trollface:.

So you're going to call Chibo on not contributing; but then you're going to 'contribute' by making stuff up... for giggles?

However, I see no reason why Kary should not confirm his time zone for you still, or not answer any questions you have for him for that matter.

But it seems important to you that I answer a fairly banal question. Hrrrm.

I don't know Kary too well, albeit I've observed his scum play in Noobie 17 as well as his Town play in Dgames minigames, so I more or less know what to expect from him.

I think I get what you mean. Unfortunately, it also looks like you're contradicting yourself.

By the by, I see you have gold dice, but you come off as not being that great. Are you modest, or do you think you are unworthy of the dice? I'm curious.

Wondering whether this is anything more than idle chit-chat. Like, you have to talk about something in RVS but I'm not sure this is it.

@Sephiroths, what is your mentality coming into this game? I support Sangfroid's questions towards you, specifically regarding myself being fake...are you trying to over exaggerate pressure on me to get a read, or do you genuinely believe I am being fake? If the former, why me? If the latter, I want you to cite examples of my would-be fakeness.

I just don't like this very much. You could just say 'care to tell me where this has come from?', you don't have to try and lay out all of the options- seems a bit defensive? Also I feel like such questions are a bit redundant given Seph's play so far- which to me doesn't suggest any explanations are going to be forthcoming. myeh


Ultimately there's not a lot of scum Bardull in there. But then I'd argue there's not a lot in there at all beyond chit-chat and minor curiosity. Bardull said that he didn't want RVS to end prematurely, but I can't see why that'd be as I can't see what he's adding to it, much. Like Sang said, the bit about Chibo's play was quite good. But it was also pretty vanilla.
Bottom line, hoping to see more content per post from Bardull.

(Although I should point out I was mostly agreeing with OS (re: Bardull being back-up lynch for today) just for something to do. Too early to say who should go methinks.)

 

[Overswarm]

J starts the first vote on Sangfroid Warrior.

Followers in order:
Overswarm

Notable players not following this trend:
Rajam, voting Chibo immediately after OS' vote on Sang, the 2nd vote
Adumbrodeus voting OS in the next post
Rajam voting J immediately after that
Kary voting Rajam


We can tell at this point that voting for Sangfroid Warrior is not a trend.


Adumbrodeus then unvotes and votes for Sang, bringing the vote count to 3.

Adumbrodeus, why did you vote for Sang at this point?


We can assume this is partially a trend at this point.

Rajam then votes Kary
Overswarm votes Kary
Rajam goes back to voting Chibo
BarDull votes John2k4 (the first vote of its kind, and on a player not posting)
John2k4 THEN APPEARS and votes for Chibo
Rajam votes for Bardull

Ronike then votes for Sangfroid warrior.

Players who have voted for Sang at this point:
J, Overswarm, Adumbrodeus, Ronike

Players currently voting for Sang:
J, Adumbrodeus, Ronike

Rajam then votes for Ronike

Adumbrodeus publicly calls for more votes on Sang

Rajam votes for SangfroidWarrior

Bardull then unvotes John, despite no one else voting for him.

Bardull, why did you unvote John2k4 with no additional vote?

Ronike then UNVOTES Sang


Players who have voted for Sang at this point:
J, Overswarm, Adumbrodeus, Ronike, Rajam

Players currently voting for Sang:
J, Adumbrodeus, Rajam

Kary FOS' Bardull
Seph Masamune votes Bardull

Adum publicly calls for more Sang votes

Seph keeps voting for Bardull on loop.

Votecount at this point:

J (0)
SangfroidWarrior (3) J, Adum, Rajam
Rajam (1) Kary
John2k4 (0)
Pierce7d (0)
Chibosempai (1) John
BarDulL (1) Seph
Sephiroths Masamune (0)
Ronike (0)
adumbrodeus (0)
Kary (1) Overswarm
Overswarm (0)
marshy (1) Bardull

Not voting: Sang, Pierce, Chibo, Ronike, marshy

Day 1 has officially begun! With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. Deadline is set to 6/11 at 11:59pm EST.

J votes for Kary

Marshy publicly calls for Sang votes.

Marshy votes for Sang.

Pierce votes Adumb

OS votes Adumb

Ronike votes Seph

Marshy calls for more Sang votes

 

[Overswarm]

I've specifically followed others on votes throughout the game, but the only one that has gained any traction from my 2nd-hand votes is Sangfroid Warrior, a wagon which I got off very quickly. I think this can be considered slight evidence that either

A) I am not scum

or

B) I am distancing myself from my scummates



Given Sang's votes being easy to pile on yet no one piling on I cannot confirm that scum are on BUT I can confirm that they are either already at least partially on the wagon OR are not on the wagon at all.

Given that Sangfroid Warrior's wagon has included:

J, Overswarm, Adumbrodeus, Ronike, Rajam, Marshy

and currently includes:

J, Adumb, Rajam, Marshy

and cannot include:

Sangfroid Warrior

1. J
2. SangfroidWarrior
3. Rajam
4. John2k4
5. Pierce7d
6. Chibosempai
7. BarDulL
8. Sephiroths Masamune
9. Ronike
10. adumbrodeus
11. Kary
12. Overswarm
13. marshy

Means that these people haven't been on the wagon:

4. John2k4
5. Pierce7d
6. Chibosempai
7. BarDulL
8. Sephiroths Masamune
11. Kary

and that:

Overswarm, Ronike

have no intention of hiding themselves on the Sang wagon

At this point, suspicion should fall strongly on any of the above who vote for Sangfroid Warrior. I understand that this can be construed as a defense of Sangfroid Warrior.

To clarify:

If you vote on Sangfroid Warrior from this point forward, you need to post your reasoning for doing so.

Given that everyone else has STAYED on Sangfroid Warrior and not moved elsewhere, one must have a reason for doing so.

Those currently on Sang's wagon... Why are you currently on his wagon?




So far, if I was assuming a distance-based scum playstyle I would consider Sephiroths Masamune and J to be likely scum partners. I have no evidence yet of this being something I should consider, but will continue to look. I will not elaborate on this, as it defeats the purpose of reading into this.




I'll probably post more later.

 

[Pierce7d]

I honestly don't care much for RVS. I'm not yet good enough at the game to capitalize on it as a scum hunting tool. It means I'm stuck observing for too long.

 

[adumbrodeus]

OS, I'll gladly explain, once sang answers.

If you aren't going to answer my other questions, can you at least explain to me why you think RVS is so important? I agree, it can be good to have, but there's no use in continuing it after it's dead, or past a certain point.

Sigh


Whatever, RVS is shot to tell, so I'll tell you what. Give me your theory as to why you think I chose you and regardless of whether you're right or wrong I'll give you a full explanation of what I was trying to do and my reasoning.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Ok, so things are moving to some extent. I've some questions I'm going to throw out:

Seph is town, and not a vig. I'll be double checking on this personally at some point, and he knows SOMEONE will anyway; bringing that much attention to himself is silly. He's probably bulletproof or a bomb or something and just trying to force mafia to kill him tonight. Not exactly a strong plan given how obvious it is.

Overswarm, please talk to me about this statement of yours. Likely though it is that Seph is not a vig, what leads you to believe he's town? Also, if you think that Seph probably is trying to draw a night kill or similar, why would you point this out? Surely you are only further undermining the strength of Seph's plan? Thanks.

@Sephiroths Masamune: please talk to me about Bardull. Give me some things that stand out to you about his play, some things you either particularly like or dislike. What do you think of the points I raised about him?

@Pierce7d: I'm wondering whether you have any reads yet- can you give me a read on J, for instance? (I have picked J on the basis of having several posts with content you could look into).

Hmm, that'll do for now. I'd ask anyone else who's interested what they think about OS's recent posts (about the Sang waggon/vote patterns).
Also, anyone interested in voting Rajam? I would like to see more from Rajam

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Also, anyone interested in killing the **** out of rajam extra hardbody? I would like to see more death from Rajam along with being dayvigged bombed and executed with absolutely no claim please destroy him quicklynch please

werd nice post kary

/brofist kary
/brofist adumbrodeus
/brofist j
/buddy all daily

 

[Pierce7d]

It's a bit early for me to have any "reads" but I'm suspicious of J who I believe started the Sangfroid wagon, and is still on it, even after complaining that he was upset a wagon formed. So far, nothing solid yet. I'm also suspicious of Adumbrodeus, who didn't give me answers I liked. He doesn't seem to be actually hunting scum, just making noise.

 

[#HBC | J]

I'm not on the Sang wagon anymore though and wasn't that upset of it forming either. ;P

And ouch at the making noise>scum-hunting comment.

 

[#HBC | J]

EBWOP: Woops, that's at Adumb, my apologies.

Sad because I agree to that statement though. xD

 

[BarDulL]

With you on Bardull, though.

Interesting. Que paso amigo?

Alright, I finished reading up and I can say, nothing really sticks out yet.

I do not get the BarDulL hate at all and I actually find myself liking his slot and his posts because he seems to be trying to find scum by asking questions and I did not at all get the buddying attitude Seph was saying at all. Which I would like explained in more detail, please @Seph.

Speaking of which, this is the first time I actually remember Seph playing the game and the way he is waving the gun around to try and make himself more of a "threat" is very odd for me because I do not recall him being so....forward would be a good way to put it.

Ronike is another person who stuck out because the only thing that stuck within his posts was the fact that he was seemingly being really cautious so far. I also do not get his Rajam thing where he says Rajam is getting "buddy-buddy" with people because I didn't see that in my read so could you point that out?

Kary was another one too because I need him to respond to me before I give a full thought on it because that last post no me gusta atm because I do not see where he could possibly be alluding to "case" on Sang with her current post and the way he slightly buddies Adumb.

W.r.t. Chibo, Chibo does not really read as scummy and his post where he said that he disliked RVS doesn't really say anything scummy besides things that are null because it just looks like his opinion on RVS. Which is also why I do not like Pierce just a tad, he states where he asks chibo "Why are you so scummy D1?" because OS pointed out that Pierce had not been fully reading w.r.t. his question directed at OS but then he has read enough to know Chibo is getting pressured a bit for being "scummy" in some people's eyes.

Sang/OS/Adumb are the three people that haven't given me anything really in terms of reads so can you three tell me who you think is the scummiest so far in this game? Are they deserving to be lynched at this stage or just more of someone you feel needs to be pressured? Talk to me about Kary/Pierce please too.

I dislike Bardull's tone so far. Some of his questions struck me as kind of hollow and I wonder where he's going with his play so far, so he has a question mark from me.
In my opinion he's normally pretty easy to read so I will stomach a re-read of him a bit later and whip up some points for him to answer.

I see. Point out said questions and elaborate on their hollowness por favor.

Your response to Chibo.

Elaborate on this please.

So you're going to call Chibo on not contributing; but then you're going to 'contribute' by making stuff up... for giggles?But it seems important to you that I answer a fairly banal question. Hrrrm.

Joking around here and there in RVS isn't unheard of. I contributed during RVS outside of my joke about being your house mate however. Why did you ignore that when writing up your case on me?

There was no importance in you answering OS' question from my point of view since I felt that line of questioning didn't seem like a scum hunting question or him trying to get a read on you. However, OS did state that he had rationale for asking you that question, which is why I said there was no reason for you not to confirm the answer I gave.

I think I get what you mean. Unfortunately, it also looks like you're contradicting yourself.

I don't know who you are, where you were born, what your favorite cheese is, or anything encompassing the true personality of the Smashboards user "Kary." We're something of acquaintances, but not true friends at this point in time.

Wondering whether this is anything more than idle chit-chat. Like, you have to talk about something in RVS but I'm not sure this is it.

I was curious, but I also like to get a feel for player's personas. Do you feel that what I was doing was disruptive or anti-town?

I just don't like this very much. You could just say 'care to tell me where this has come from?', you don't have to try and lay out all of the options- seems a bit defensive? Also I feel like such questions are a bit redundant given Seph's play so far- which to me doesn't suggest any explanations are going to be forthcoming. myeh

Can you explain how it's defensive? I thought I was being a tad aggressive in my line of questioning, so naturally I disagree with this point.

 

[BarDulL]

Bardull, why did you unvote John2k4 with no additional vote?

Good question. My vote on John was RVS, and I had forgotten to unvote in my next post. In the post following it, I unvoted because I remembered my vote was useless sitting where it was, but I didn't place my vote elsewhere because I hadn't decided how I was going to proceed yet. Then I realized Marshy hadn't posted, so I threw my vote on him to see how he would respond, if he would respond at all.

As of now, my vote is still on Marshy, but its meaning is void for the most part.

Unvote

 

[CT Chia]

Sorry I'll be back in the swing of things tonight likely, CoT6 was yesterday

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I see that people don't believe me. Cool.

Overswarm, I read you as town. Grats. You're also on Adumb, which is cool, because I was growing bored of Bardull anyway and I wanted to get on Adumb!

However, you don't believe I'm the Vig That hurts man!

So let me strike you a deal. I will shoot Adumb tonight, and we lynch a liability today. Personally, I am stuck between Chibo and Pierce. So, the choice is yours.

Vote: Chibo
Vote: Pierce

Preferably Pierce because he's not following my vote.

I'll read up now.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

PS Vote: Chibo
Vote: Pierce

 

[#HBC | marshy]

seph...**** the **** up. neither of those people are liabilities and if youre vig just shoot who i tell you to. stop trying to take the reigns and just roll with me

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Well personally I vote Bardull be the backup lynch if we can't find anyone else today. I had reasons for my questions with Kary.

O. Well, let me tell you a funny story.

I have grown an extra head. One head does the reading, one head does the posting. Sometimes, they fight. The posting head really wants to kill Bardull but the reading head wants to prioritize getting Chibo/Pierce.
It's kinda like Sephiroth's sword having a mind of his own!

Overswarm, what do I do? I would kinda be down for Bardull too.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

seph...**** the **** up. neither of those people are liabilities and if youre vig just shoot who i tell you to. stop trying to take the reigns and just roll with me

a penor

you can eat it

 

[#HBC | marshy]

cute. but you have poor direction seph

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Seriously, stop.

Why do you think that would be remotely intimidating?


I'm letting this play out cause I want other people to weigh in.

So you want other people to comment first before you are able to comment?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

cute. but you have poor direction seph

How convenient that I can turn this right back at you. Why are you stopping me from pressuring who I want to pressure? Nothing to lose, so shut up.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I'm not necessarily the type to blindly follow. So, Reason 1: I actually like some of his posts (like 91) and Reason 2: because I'm reading him as null at the moment. I don't really see where you're getting the fake from. Could you explain that to me?

I dunno just read his posts.

So you like some of his posts but not enough to have him anything else as null.
Hurhurhur.

Change that.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Vote: Adumbrodeus

Answering a flavor related question Adumb? Hmm . . .

How is this thing not a liability

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

I dislike Bardull's tone so far. Some of his questions struck me as kind of hollow and I wonder where he's going with his play so far, so he has a question mark from me.

Yea cool. I agree with you, you're pretty good at mafia.

Join me now please?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Vote: seph

Do not like the way you are going about things. And not just the "IMA SHOOT YOU IF YOU DON'T VOTE X" stuff, the ps, pps, etc. stuff is just artificially raising post count in the thread, which can be used to coast later since you'll have a bunch of small empty posts compared to people with fewer posts with actual content. And I also really don't like your whole gonna shoot you act.

While ridiculously ********, this reads genuine. Join me baby.

@Sephiroths Masamune: please talk to me about Bardull. Give me some things that stand out to you about his play, some things you either particularly like or dislike. What do you think of the points I raised about him?

Pri good.

I want Bardull dead again after his latest few posts.

Vote: Bardull

Sorry Overswarm. But I'll still shoot Adumb, and you wanted Bardull as backup lynch, so we can still do dis shiz.

Someone asked me for my mindset going into this game, it was
have fun!
Should've seen my face when I got vig.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

PS Vote: Bardull

 

[#HBC | marshy]

seph = gg

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

why the **** is Kary not voting Bardull?
What?

Kary join me on Bardull or else I'll put question marks on your slot and lynch you the **** out of here.

Also Marshy join me please. I'll help you tomorrow as trade-off, deal?

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

PS Vote: Bardull

 

[adumbrodeus]

Ok, let me make this perfectly clear.


There are three options:


1. You're an arbitrary townie and this is a stupid gambit.

2. You're a BP serial killer, or poisoner, or something of that nature.

3. You're actually a vig which makes you doing probably the stupidest thing ever, because no townie is ever gonna sheep you because of threat of nks. Bad scum will, and some better scum will find excuses to follow.


The thing is, in cases 1 and 3 it's so completely transparent that I feel absolutely no compunction in saying it out loud. This playerlist is quite frankly far too good.

Also, I find 1 and 2 a hell of a lot more likely then three because I honestly don't think you're that stupid.


So, let me put it this way, town as a whole will chose the kills. If a second nk happens in a single night and it's not the person who town picked, we will lynch you.



You have spirit, but playing stupid gambits is not a shortcut to being considered a good player and being able to lead town. You need to consistently show mastery.


Things like this:

How is this thing not a liability

If you had done ANY research on pierce or even asked anyone you would know that he has an incredibly low tolerance for flavor discussion. When I last played him, so did I.

He would not realize that I embraced rvs later and loosened my policy on flavor discussion.

In other words, this suspicion and line of reasoning is very in line with how town pierce has thought in the past, so it's a significant towntell.


I'm sorry, you're ballsy, I'll give you that, but getting town to follow you like this is both beyond your abilities and not a good idea.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Ok, let me make this perfectly clear.


There are three options:


1. You're an arbitrary townie and this is a stupid gambit.

2. You're a BP serial killer, or poisoner, or something of that nature.

3. You're actually a vig which makes you doing probably the stupidest thing ever, because no townie is ever gonna sheep you because of threat of nks. Bad scum will, and some better scum will find excuses to follow.


The thing is, in cases 1 and 3 it's so completely transparent that I feel absolutely no compunction in saying it out loud. This playerlist is quite frankly far too good.

Also, I find 1 and 2 a hell of a lot more likely then three because I honestly don't think you're that stupid.

Loool. So your basis for 1 and 2 being more likely than 3 is ********. You've yet to point out why 3 is a bad option. You're pushing suspicion on someone who is basically a cleared town because he claimed vig and your face is ugly.

**** off.

So, let me put it this way, town as a whole will chose the kills. If a second nk happens in a single night and it's not the person who town picked, we will lynch you.

No **** off. LOL
Why are you being so scummy? Why do you expect me to allow the town to choose kills for me? I'm not trusting ANYONE to win this game for me, so I'm gonna shoot on my own reads. Too bad my role makes me unlynchable, so you're not gonna be able to push that down my throat.

You have spirit, but playing stupid gambits is not a shortcut to being considered a good player and being able to lead town. You need to consistently show mastery.

Bro, I'm WAY better than you. Who are you to judge my play? Like I said, I'm gonna shoot you. If you get on my good side I might be willing to reconsider, so at least join Bardull.

If you had done ANY research on pierce or even asked anyone you would know that he has an incredibly low tolerance for flavor discussion. When I last played him, so did I.

I'm laughing at you. I don't care about his personal playstyle and neither should you. EVEN THEN, a person can be a liability for it. You're dumb and you should die.

In other words, this suspicion and line of reasoning is very in line with how town pierce has thought in the past, so it's a significant towntell.

Suck it up.

I'm sorry, you're ballsy, I'll give you that, but getting town to follow you like this is both beyond your abilities and not a good idea.

I'm not ballsy. I'm the vig. And I'm a bit crazy with my gun. I have a triggerfinger and my gun is aimed at you. I'm not gonna stop until you give me something satisfactory and you haven't yet.