Paper Mario Mafia: Day 4 finally ends! Luigi wins!

[#HBC | Kary]

So I did a re-read. Unless Bardull makes some sort of messiah-like town-telling entrance I'm more than happy for him to die, and will be voting him tomorrow. Got a few more things to talk about but I'm going to sleep on it again before I decide what to pursue.

 

[BarDulL]

Here's your Messiah-like entrance.

And the crowd grew silent in awe.

 

[BarDulL]

That's a good answer...grrrr

but it's like too good.

Grah, gimme more of your thoughts. Anything and everything. I want my read on you out of the before this day-phase ends. >=[

@Bardull: Answer my 359 to Marsh as well.

From what I can remember (still haven't read yet, only skimmed a bit)

People I'm infinitely ok with:

J
Marshy

People I'm kinda ok with:
Sang

Null:

Adum
Seph

The weird zone:
Pierce

Dislike:
Ronike
OS
Rajam

Needs to post more:
Chibo

Kary stance: Kinda at odds with the Kary slot because I'm ok with him dying, but he was also pretty active during the day phase and was progressively pushing my slot, so there's some hesitance from me to lynch him. If I was governor or some other ballin' PR then I'd switch the lynch over to Ronike for his oddball transformation from disliking Seph and myself to liking Seph and bandwagoning Seph (but neither myself nor Seph really changed, so it feels like opportunistic scum.)

Don't like OS because he pretty much uses the excuse "I'm voting for BarDulL because I'm part of a voting block with Seph and Pierce" to get on my wagon. *Wishes there was a dislike button on smashboards.* However in his later posts, he continues to try pushing for my slot by saying things like "I locked up under pressure" to try to paint my slot as scum when he never actually had a scum read on me. In fact, he stated earlier that "I'm going to be pissed that Rajam and BarDulL are scum," which is somewhat of an implication that he thinks we are town...or that we're horrible scum and he dislikes horrible scum. But if it's the latter, it's a useless statement and I don't understand why he's being vague and keeping his options open by not putting his foot down. I also don't really see where the Rajam read is coming from.

Pierce is in the weird zone because I don't know how to read his reaction to my question about why he feels Seph is Town. It's like..."I can't say why, but I know Seph is Town," wat. Pretty suspicious, but I'm going to hold him to explaining his thought process on D2 since I don't really see Pierce being a lynch target today.

Thoughts on the bandwagon: everyone who is on my wagon doesn't really have a reason to be on there. Ronike/Seph/Kary mentioned that I was being too friendly/fake, however Ronike/Seph haven't outed their own thought processes as to why they feel the way they do or cited examples of my "fakeness." Actually, Ronike very hesitantly put his vote on me and did not do it until being prompted by Seph, who Ronike presumably disliked in the beginning of the game. OS/Pierce openly stated that they were joining the voting block just to join the voting block, so -points for them considering that they're putting me closer to a lynch on no real premise.

I'll post more thoughts on Rajam, noticed some things during my reread where I was like..."why did you do that?"

 

[BarDulL]

Last question feels off. Too much burden on Sephiroths



Wants reasoning on Sang's case but doesn't offer reasoning for supporting OS on BarDulL (seeing as OS didn't offer any reason really)

wat

What.
are.
you.
doing.
this.
game?

Hey adumbrodeus, in your #151 something obviously called your attention wrt this post:

Could you explain? Since when I read it I didn't get "off" vibes

Rajam, where is your head at? You make small posts here and there saying you like something or you don't like something, but I'm not really sure what you're trying to achieve or contribute.

 

[BarDulL]

So I did a re-read. Unless Bardull makes some sort of messiah-like town-telling entrance I'm more than happy for him to die, and will be voting him tomorrow. Got a few more things to talk about but I'm going to sleep on it again before I decide what to pursue.

Coming back to this, I don't understand why you posted this. Why are you trying to set yourself up to vote for me here?

 

[BarDulL]

Oh wow, I totally forgot about John.

If there's a vig, please shoot John.

 

[BarDulL]

Oh right, Seph's our would-be Vig.

Seph, kill John.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

ronike your *** better be scum this **** is ridiculous

 

[#HBC | marshy]

fos rajam
fos ronike
daykill rajam
execute ronike
suicide bomb rajam
lynch ronike

this is going to be a long game

 

[adumbrodeus]

@Broshy: I'd wait to give Bardull some time to post responses. If I still feel he was scummy, I'd shoot him. If his responses made me feel a bit better about him... there's not really anyone I'd be comfortable with shooting. If I had to though, I'd probably shoot Chibo. Don't feel Kary as scum, and chibo's been coastin like hell, despite being called out on it.

...


Hey marshy, wanna just lynch ronike today?


unvote, vote: ronike

 

[#HBC | marshy]

i am so there!!

vote ronike
fos rajam

 

[BarDulL]

Vote: Ronike

 

[#HBC | marshy]

choo choo

more ronike votes. bardull continues to be a terrible play

 

[#HBC | J]

Unvote
Vote: Ronike

Totally there.

I called RonikeScum before it was cool. /hipster

 

[#HBC | marshy]

3 more votes lets keep it movin

 

[adumbrodeus]

*brofist marshy*

Lets keep this wagon going!

 

[Ronike]

Bardull. For the third time. Why? I want actual reasons, because everytime I've asked, you've ignored me, which makes me feel like its OMGUS.

@Marshy and Adum: Also why? J doesn't need to be asked because he's been an idiot about me the whole ****in game. Marshy, I know its not your style, but seriously, reasons. And adum, you should know better than that, or maybe you aren't as good at this game as I remember.

As for why I continue to like Bardull as a play, yes, my vote on him occured very soon after Seph asked me to switch. You will also recall it happened right after this:

Vote: Kary

John is the hardest player to read in Mafia history because he's always anti-town. He tries to contribute, but it ends up making him look suspicious because the content isn't really helpful. I did kind of like his vote on me however, although he does state that he's mindlessly voting for me since me mentions he doesn't remember making his RVS vote...so that detracts from any pressure the vote could have given. (John, you voted for Rajam in RVS, btw.) Ever since AT, I've pretty much always wanted John vigged. My sentiments don't change now...sorry John.

I repeat, I DO NOT LIKE THIS POST. Gives me bad feelings, which combined with earlier hollowness and uselessness, made me want to vote him. Getting Seph to shut up about it was a nice bonus.

As for said hollowness and uselessness, I know I did a read for it, maybe I didn't do an in depth post. Ill go either find it or make one now.

 

[Ronike]

Didn't post it, will have to make it. Also will have to wait for computer to finish rendering game for company, so I prolly wont start for a half hour or so, as it takes up a lot of processing power, which makes searches and page flipping a pain.

But, as for "flipping" my opinion on Bardull and Seph, Bar, I was never wholly comfortable with your play. Like you as a person, sure. But as a player? I stated from the start that I was somewhat uncomfortable with you. Then once I went back to read more carefully, I noticed you had posted less helpful content than Seph. Much less. Most of it was going after Kary for the joke (iirc, recall I cant easily check atm), buddying up with me and OS (especially OS, holy crap, I'll get the posts later), and other such nonsense. Kept it to myself until the post I quoted above, then I was just done with you, so I voted you, coincidentally getting an annoying Seph off my back.

As for Seph, yes I disliked him. As a person. And when you dislike a person, that colors your reads a lot easier than liking them. At least for me. Then I went back and did a read to maybe build a case. And I realized, despite being annoying and short about it, he was actually being very pro-town and posting a good bit of content. Thus I realized my dislike for him was on a personal level, and that I liked him as a player.

Will post more specifics on Dull later.

 

[Overswarm]

Still fine with a Bardull lynch. Moreso now that he's posted. Don't like how Marshy is going about this game.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Cause you're scum.


That post was the slimiest safest response for that question ever and your prior play had the same ring to it.


Love the response too, desparation + Ad hominem, definitely the towniest response to a wagon forming on you ever.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

Still fine with a Bardull lynch. Moreso now that he's posted. Don't like how Marshy is going about this game.

dont like in that you think im scum or you think im playing poorly or both?

im totally saving my scum buddy bardull os

 

[Ronike]

Cause you're scum.


That post was the slimiest safest response for that question ever and your prior play had the same ring to it.


Love the response too, desparation + Ad hominem, definitely the towniest response to a wagon forming on you ever.

I'm sorry, let me respond more properly: I'd shoot Bardull before he posted cause he's takin too long. That's the other possible answer to that question, and its not something I want. If he's not scum, I wouldn't want to shoot him. What else would I have answered?

As for "desparation + Ad hominem", sorry for getting a bit frustrated because since I last checked, I suddenly have 4 votes, none of whom actually gave a reason for voting.

 

[Inferno3044]

J (0)
SangfroidWarrior (0)
Rajam (0)
John2k4 (0)
Pierce7d (1) Kary
Chibosempai (0)
BarDulL (5) John, Ronike, Pierce, OS, Seph
Sephiroths Masamune (0)
Ronike (5) Rajam, Adum, marshy, bardull, J
adumbrodeus (0)
Kary (1) Sang
Overswarm (0)
marshy (0)

Not voting: Chibo

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

inferno your votecount is wrong

Where did I mess up?

 

[adumbrodeus]

That's exactly it, your response was so non-committal, you sound like a politician trying to cover your ***, not a townie trying to get scum.

You even described yourself as a bulldog in regards to scumhunting before, where's the decisiveness?

 

[adumbrodeus]

@mod: A fair number of people are voting for 2 separate people in your votecount

 

[Ronike]

That's just it, no one has seemed extra scummy thus far, plus did you miss the part where I said I'm trying to LIMIT that sort of thing? Its cost me the game more than a few times.

And I'm sorry if I sounded like a politician or what not, but what else would I have answered that would have pleased you? Seriously.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@ inferno

me/j/bardull are no longer voting kary unfortunately. we are on ronike

ronike isnt voting rajam either

 

[Overswarm]

dont like in that you think im scum or you think im playing poorly or both?

im totally saving my scum buddy bardull os

Where did I mess up?

Two things. One, people voting for more than one person (ctrl+f "marshy"), and two, the order of the votes. Sephiroth Masamune has voted for Bardull multiple times yet is still listed as the first person on the wagon.

 

[Overswarm]

dont like in that you think im scum or you think im playing poorly or both?

im totally saving my scum buddy bardull os

No. It's because I've seen you jump on players like Bardull before and you're defending him now. Whether you are defending him or not is irrelevant to the fact you've made a conscious effort to prevent expansion on that point.

Bardull's jump on whatever wagon you happen to be jumping on is telling, as is his list of "scummy people" being synonymous with those who have stated distrust in him. Bardull is hollow.

 

[John2k4]

Still here, reading thingss

 

[BarDulL]

No. It's because I've seen you jump on players like Bardull before and you're defending him now. Whether you are defending him or not is irrelevant to the fact you've made a conscious effort to prevent expansion on that point.

Bardull's jump on whatever wagon you happen to be jumping on is telling, as is his list of "scummy people" being synonymous with those who have stated distrust in him. Bardull is hollow.

You have no room to talk about being hollow, my friend.

 

[Overswarm]

See? Things like that. Over dramatic. Lacking substance.

 

[BarDulL]

By the by, I've substantiated all my reads. Albeit a curious observation you're making, I feel particularly more odd that you're pushing for my lynch on a groundless premise.

 

[Ronike]

OMGUS? Or do you have a reason?

Still waiting on a reason why you dislike me Bardull. While we are at it, why don't you like me marshy?

Bardull. For the third time. Why? I want actual reasons, because everytime I've asked, you've ignored me, which makes me feel like its OMGUS.

Can I has answer yet?

 

[Ronike]

I don't know Kary too well, albeit I've observed his scum play in Noobie 17 as well as his Town play in Dgames minigames, so I more or less know what to expect from him.

Why not just say either "I don't know him too well." or "I've played with him, so I know him a bit"? Only reason I can think of is so that he can say he said whatever he wants here. Kary gets lynched? "Oh, well I don't really know him and said that, see?" rather than what is implied.

Oh my. Its been a while, Rajam. Curiously, if you could pick one player to be on your scum team, who would it be?

RVS is an important stage of the game Chibo, not participating in it is pretty anti-town of you. Why are you deliberately not contributing?

FoS: Chibo

And he barely (if at all) followed up again on either of these points. Shows that he is asking questions just so no one says he didn't ask questions.

But you're subsequently detracting from potential alliances you could be forging in RVS, as well as depriving Town of information regarding your potential interactions with others if you did participate. Needless to say, I disagree with your methodology for Town play.

The only follow up on Chibo, which I find odd, since he doesn't seem to like chibo all that much in the first bit.

Ah yes, that's right. I remember playing with you as Rubicante, and Chibo was Shadow Cecil. Pierce was one of the twin mages if I remember correctly. We still need to take revenge on Chibo for killing half of our scum team, and lynching Pierce for hammering me on the last day.

@Ronike - I'm unfamiliar with you as well. I'm BarDulL, a fairly new player to Dgames considering the amount of time other players have been here. I have roughly 10 games under my belt, about half of which I won. I'm not the best player, but I like to think that I'm fairly decent.

What is the point of this? Getting comfortable with someone is the only point I see, which is rather hollow.

@OS - Do not end RVS yet, wait until everyone is here before doing that. There is still information to be gained in RVS that may help us later on, and ending it so soon wouldn't help us.

BARDULL did you ever get any more of said information, or were you just saying what you thought would get you in the least trouble. I'd like to know some of the info you got from RVS, since you didn't want it to end.

I was hoping to be Town bros with you this game OS .

However, I see no reason why Kary should not confirm his time zone for you still, or not answer any questions you have for him for that matter.

Start of getting buddy-buddy with OS, and the beginning of bugging Kary on the whole joke he made.

That's true, you are not one to typically forge alliances with others right away. However, I know we both share a mutual respect for another, with some poking here and there. The Xavier to the Magneto, as it were.

Do as you will, then.

This is the point where I begin to get a bit uncomfortable with his actions towards OS. What is the reason behind this post? Well at this point, it could just be answering a question.

It's a feeling. You acknowledge my presence, as I acknowledge yours, but it is anything but condescending. It's a neutral feeling. We also remember certain things in the past that occurred with each other, but it's hardly negative. You beat me in the wifi tournament years ago, and you have the tendency to poke at me with it. It's true, you won. I think to myself what would have happened if there was a grand finals, but we'll never know for sure.

Back then, you were a bit of an annoyance; flaunting your ego, spouting ludicrous statements that made you seem borderline sadist. However, in all the silliness that you were encompassed by, I knew you were intelligent, and I knew you beat me fair and square by the rules. And I know you have an appreciation for humanity, anything that doesn't seem that way at a glance is just a projected persona you put out. Behind the masks, you appreciate everyone, but you do not want to show it. You want to appear strong, and recognized as such.

You could say that I understand you, or I like to think that I do. I do not know if you understand me however, but there is a feeling inside of you that, I think, while you want to dismiss what I've said, you know I am telling the truth. I feel very connected to you even though we've never met in person.

At this point though, he's just trying to buddy a known good player. No other reason to go into such excruciating detail.

@Sephiroths, what is your mentality coming into this game? I support Sangfroid's questions towards you, specifically regarding myself being fake...are you trying to over exaggerate pressure on me to get a read, or do you genuinely believe I am being fake? If the former, why me? If the latter, I want you to cite examples of my would-be fakeness.

All these demands for citations, and yet Bardull cannot say why he doesn't like me... Just noting.

Interesting. Que paso amigo?

I see. Point out said questions and elaborate on their hollowness por favor.



Elaborate on this please.

First part is hollow. Second part has still no content.

Joking around here and there in RVS isn't unheard of. I contributed during RVS outside of my joke about being your house mate however. Why did you ignore that when writing up your case on me?

There was no importance in you answering OS' question from my point of view since I felt that line of questioning didn't seem like a scum hunting question or him trying to get a read on you. However, OS did state that he had rationale for asking you that question, which is why I said there was no reason for you not to confirm the answer I gave.

What is the big deal with answering this question of Timezone when you had already answered it. IIRC, overswarm had dropped it by now.

I don't know who you are, where you were born, what your favorite cheese is, or anything encompassing the true personality of the Smashboards user "Kary." We're something of acquaintances, but not true friends at this point in time.

I was curious, but I also like to get a feel for player's personas. Do you feel that what I was doing was disruptive or anti-town?

Hollow and no content.

I think Sephiroth is Town as well as far as intent is concerned, but his execution falls short of the mark.

Why? You don't give reasons for a lot of this stuff, which makes me thing you are just sheeping or OMGUSing occasionally.

Would be ok with a Ronike lynch.

Rajam, Chibo, out reads.

Like here. OMGUS like crazy.

The rest of his posts aren't really all that hollow, but they are almost exclusively one or two liners until today, when he was almost lynched. He also will NEVER GIVE REASONS for his stances, even after being asked. This by itself would make me ok with lynching him, not counting the amazing amount of buddying he tried to do, the John post, and the utter lack of content. This is why Bardull should be lynched.

 

[BarDulL]

Here.

Kary stance: Kinda at odds with the Kary slot because I'm ok with him dying, but he was also pretty active during the day phase and was progressively pushing my slot, so there's some hesitance from me to lynch him. If I was governor or some other ballin' PR then I'd switch the lynch over to Ronike for his oddball transformation from disliking Seph and myself to liking Seph and bandwagoning Seph (but neither myself nor Seph really changed, so it feels like opportunistic scum.)

...and here.

Thoughts on the bandwagon: everyone who is on my wagon doesn't really have a reason to be on there. Ronike/Seph/Kary mentioned that I was being too friendly/fake, however Ronike/Seph haven't outed their own thought processes as to why they feel the way they do or cited examples of my "fakeness." Actually, Ronike very hesitantly put his vote on me and did not do it until being prompted by Seph, who Ronike presumably disliked in the beginning of the game. OS/Pierce openly stated that they were joining the voting block just to join the voting block, so -points for them considering that they're putting me closer to a lynch on no real premise.

I'll post more thoughts on Rajam, noticed some things during my reread where I was like..."why did you do that?"

 

[BarDulL]

I stopped reading at this:

Why not just say either "I don't know him too well." or "I've played with him, so I know him a bit"? Only reason I can think of is so that he can say he said whatever he wants here. Kary gets lynched? "Oh, well I don't really know him and said that, see?" rather than what is implied.

This is the silliest case of grasping I've ever seen.

 

[Ronike]

...Thats not how it works bardull. You read the whole thing, then you get to say things like "This part was dumb".

Now, the point of the matter is, you said: I dont know kary, but I've played with him, so I know him. So either you've said nothing, which I suppose is a theme with you, or else you are implying you know him now, but later on if he gets lynched you have the option of saying you don't know him, and you said so earlier. Saying one or the other makes a stand. Saying what you said is just ***** footing around taking a stand, something which is, yes more scummy if you do it about a person, but is still scummy when applied like this.

 

[BarDulL]

Someone put Ronike at L-1.

Ronike, claim please.

 

[Ronike]

And Bardull, I've now stated why I "flipped" about you and seph. I didn't. I've pointed out "fakeness", which is not actually what I've been saying. What i've been saying is buddying.