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[#HBC | J]

That's a good answer...grrrr

but it's like too good.

Grah, gimme more of your thoughts. Anything and everything. I want my read on you out of the before this day-phase ends. >=[

@Bardull: Answer my 359 to Marsh as well.

 

[#HBC | J]

Updated thoughts

I'd lynch:

Kary
Ronike
Pierce
Rajam
John

Null*wouldn't mind pressure*:
Sang
OS
Adumb
Chibo

Deffo not alright with lynching:
Bardull
Marshy
Seph

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

That's a good answer...grrrr

but it's like too good.

I don't understand this. What is "too good"? Do you mean this in a sense like, say, a detective that is suspicious of a suspect simply because they have answers for too many things, or in a different manner?

Grah, gimme more of your thoughts. Anything and everything. I want my read on you out of the before this day-phase ends. >=[

If you mean on everything that has ever happened in this game, that might have to wait until tomorrow night. I have to get up early tomorrow and will probably be going to bed soon. But, if you mean something specifically I might be able to do that tonight.

 

[Overswarm]

I'm gettin' more and more fine with a Bardull lynch.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

^

no one cares overswarm

pierce is weird as **** and i can totally see why sangfroid would take issue with his play. and at least shes voting with us?

rajam and chibo are the only ones not voting a wagonee i believe. rajam can die and chibo refuses to not be useless so this gives me little hope that the better play will go through

i also have no issue with bardull and think hes a ****tyass play. so many people can go before him. im baffled that this is even happening

ronike be a bro and vote kary

 

[#HBC | J]

I don't understand this. What is "too good"? Do you mean this in a sense like, say, a detective that is suspicious of a suspect simply because they have answers for too many things, or in a different manner?

"too good" as in the sense that you thought about that answer for a while trying to think of exactly the right thing to say. Not malicious just, you are thinking about how you place your foot in this game carefully. So I guess, "different manner" would be my choice.

If you mean on everything that has ever happened in this game, that might have to wait until tomorrow night. I have to get up early tomorrow and will probably be going to bed soon. But, if you mean something specifically I might be able to do that tonight.

I can wait till tomorrow. ;P I want something that encompasses a wider topic.

 

[Pierce7d]

My playstyle is always weird, and I'm always town, and I have a winning record in this game, so I'm totally okay with this.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

"too good" as in the sense that you thought about that answer for a while trying to think of exactly the right thing to say. Not malicious just, you are thinking about how you place your foot in this game carefully. So I guess, "different manner" would be my choice.

i can agree with this sentiment. sangfroid has been very meticulous with all of her responses

thats fine pierce

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

I'm gettin' more and more fine with a Bardull lynch.

Could you explain to me why you think Bardull should be lynched over Kary?

"too good" as in the sense that you thought about that answer for a while trying to think of exactly the right thing to say. Not malicious just, you are thinking about how you place your foot in this game carefully. So I guess, "different manner" would be my choice.

I just like to flesh out all of my responses completely so that everyone knows what I was thinking. I just don't do it in a stream of consciousness style. I didn't think this was any different from what I normally do, but oh well.

I can wait till tomorrow. ;P I want something that encompasses a wider topic.

Alrighty then. This should be fun (notice the sarcasm; more like "there goes 5 hours of my life because I take forever re-reading").

My playstyle is always weird, and I'm always town, and I have a winning record in this game, so I'm totally okay with this.

I don't remember playing with you or reading a game with you in it, so I can't say anything to the contrary. That does not make me think you are less scummy.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Could you explain what you mean by overly defensive? Also, why would I follow up with more if there was nothing more to follow up on? You were voting me, trying to get more people to vote me, not answering any of my questions, so I was going to move on.

At this moment, I don't really care about the fact that I have a wagon. I've barely posted at all and therefore I believe there is no reason to be voting me besides for either RVS or quicklynch reasons, or unless you're trying to get a reaction out of me. The fact that you're asking me about my opinion when you're the one trying to get votes on me just furthers my idea that you're likely just trying to get a reaction out of me. Why are you trying to get people to vote me? And, why am I more deserving of a wagon than others?

The bolded, it strikes me as awkward and uncomfortable for an obviously rvs wagon. Given that it's an RVS wagon, and you recognize that it's intended to provoke a reaction, the "why me" just doesn't fit, because the very nature of RVS is essentially random pressure to see who doesn't respond quite right.

I wanted you to answer why you thought I'd chose you because I wanted to see if you would let anything that would confirm my suspicions slip.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Yo, first up, I've seen RVS before, yeah. But I'm not a big fan of 'let's put them at L-1 and see what happens'. So forgive me for not throwing my vote around of leaping onto waggons. Second thing, this post:

Hey adum, can you give me the case on Sang again? I just want to check we're on the same wavelength before I hop that waggon.

was full of **** entirely on purpose.
Here's the clue: There is no case on Sang, Adum clearly hasn't given a case on Sang.
There were two reasons for doing this. The first is to try and get something from Adum that I can use; I struggle to read people who are just calling for votes. And secondly, to see how people react. Of course, I couldn't tell J that straight up when he started questioning what on earth I was on about.

Last thing: (And this ties into my first point) I think quicklynches are hella dumb. Really don't want to see a quicklynch today. Want to push a few more things and see what happens.

Right, going to answer some questions, then make some more points.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

quicklynches are da bomb. hopefully town is down for them in this game

@ adumbro

can you do a brief analysis of bardulls play please?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

No deal. You made a case on Bardull, yet you're reluctant to vote him? Sounds cool, broseph. Not gonna work here, though. Gimme your Bardull vote, everyone is cooperating with me anyway. Why is that a reason not to lynch someone you think is scum?

1. I was waiting for Bardull to respond to the points I'd made, so I have a better read on him.
2. I don't especially like how bullish you're being about Bardull, when you've not cared to flesh out what you dislike about him. It's enough to make me hesitate in joining you.

Everyone still on Rajam or Ronike or Pierce is anti-town. Move your vote somewhere useful. Targets include Bardull and Adumbrodeus, preferably Bardull. Kary is close second.

Haha, dislike this as well, but that's probably a difference of opinion as to how waggons should be run.

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I asked Ronike some questions because I wanted to get a feel for his personality.

I feel that you should be trying to get a feel for his alignment, I will chalk this one down to diffence of opinion.

1. Yes, I contributed.

Show me?

I don't know you well at all and haven't talked to you that much really lol, why are you WTF'ing at that statement?

MY POINT WAS THAT IT LOOKED LIKE YOU WERE CONTRADICTING YOURSELF. You are missing the point.

Forcing people to take a stance on me is pro-town, which is exactly what I'm doing with Seph.

I said you were being defensive, I didn't say you were being anti-town. You can act super pro-town and still be scum, and still have scum-tells like defensiveness. Don't understand why you brought this up.

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unvote, vote: Kary

Hella awkward reaction to the sang wagon and a short look at his past games tells me he knows what rvs is about.

For serious, I think we disagree on how to do RVS. I don't just bundle on waggons. If you wanted me on the Sang waggon, then you went about it all wrong, I'm afraid.
If you thought that my #129 was 'awkward', then, bottom line is you've misread me. I'll admit that it is weird and suspicious, but that was all intentional. You can say it's dumb to stick your neck out in order to get reactions, but they're reactions I can use- like seeing who's eager to push my waggon.

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@Kary: What do you think now that a.) Pierce has all but ignored your vote on him and b.) actually has voted Bardull.

What do I think about Pierce...
He's still got a question mark from me- it seems as though he's willing to just sheep Seph, even if that may conflict with his other reads/opinions. Maybe I'm wrong- it's hard to tell what Pierce's reads are epecially. I'd be interested to hear what his read of Bardull is. I think my vote can stay on him for the time being.

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Would like to see Bardull and Kary make cases on each other.

Hmm, what if we're both town? I appreciate cases would still help, but this looks like narrowing the lynch pool unnecessarily. If we are to make cases, does it matter who goes first?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

J, what are you doing?
1. I don't really understand this:

What makes you of the four main wagons *being* Kary/Bardull/Ronike/Rajam?

I disagree that these were the four main waggons. If you're going to put in a Rajam waggon, you should've put in an Adum waggon, and only Rajam has bothered to vote Ronike.

2. What's up with your reads, bro?

Updated thoughts

I'd lynch:

Kary
Ronike
Pierce
Rajam
John

Null*wouldn't mind pressure*:
Sang
OS
Adumb
Chibo

Deffo not alright with lynching:
Bardull
Marshy
Seph

You've got John in your lynch pool, but Chibo is fine? And if Ronike is second on your list why are you busy pushing Sang? Still not sure what exactly you like about Bardull. Also, five seems to me like an awful large number for a lynch pool.

3. Can I get some breathing space, bro?

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I switched my mind on Seph because he went from distracting to goal oriented IMO. This caused town to take a direction. I will almost definitely follow his vote, but I want to see a bit more day for today, and I don't mind the wagon, but I don't like the speed at which it is growing, so I will vote alongside him, but after I've gathered more information.

I really like this post.
I'd like to see you out looking for information, though, Pierce.

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kary is such a better play. what the **** are you guys doing

Play ball with me? What do you think about Pierce, and about Sang?

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It's because I realized that the vote on Pierce is completely useless at this moment, even if I have a stronger scum read on him than on Kary. I also realized that voting Kary would help gain more support for that wagon and, hopefully, hinder the Bardull wagon.

hyrhm... Sang what do you hope to gain by supporting my waggon?

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Almost forgot this one:

No deal. You made a case on Bardull, yet you're reluctant to vote him? Sounds cool, broseph. Not gonna work here, though. Gimme your Bardull vote, everyone is cooperating with me anyway.

Yo Seph, if you want my vote so bad, why don't you stop threatening me and answer this:

@Sephiroths Masamune: please talk to me about Bardull. Give me some things that stand out to you about his play, some things you either particularly like or dislike. What do you think of the points I raised about him?

Seriously, if you think he's scum and want him lynched, why not play ball just a litte, show me a couple of quotes or something? It's not that I have a probelm in following you- I'd rather not follow you blindly is what I'm saying.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Oh, and finally, it seems that Bardull and I are at L-2.
Wondering what my best play is here.
Meh, don't have time right now.

Uh, don't kill me, please?

 

[#HBC | Kary]

EBWOP: I mean, don't kill me right now at least
Don't want to come back and be dead

 

[Overswarm]

Could you explain to me why you think Bardull should be lynched over Kary?

Could you explain why Kary should be lynched at all? I haven't seen that case yet.

Why are you defending Bardull?

Hmm, what if we're both town? I appreciate cases would still help, but this looks like narrowing the lynch pool unnecessarily. If we are to make cases, does it matter who goes first?

Don't care. Stop stalling. Make your case.

 

[Overswarm]

Kary, you take forever to say nothing.

You are posting an awful ****ing lot.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

@ kary

i will play ball with you. my opinion on pierce and sangfroid are that i dont want to lynch either today. town had their chance for sangfroid earlier today but ****ed it up of course. im willing to talk you as much as you like

@ j

you wanted me to talk to you about players i know more about than you. my only advice is to watch adumbro at all times (****ing ill scum when invested: lord of the rings mafia) and sheep ronike if there is evidence to believe that he is innocent cuz he will figure it out 99% of the time even if he has some misfires. however there is currently nothing in his posts to believe that he is a gg and if i had my way him or rajam would be gone already

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Meh.

Bardull's main concern seems to be what people think of him.
He dislikes OS, Ronike and Seph becasue they voted for him without giving any explanation as to why. But I can't see him really pushing any of them- in fact he's straight up refusing to talk to Seph. On top of that, his vote is on me, the only person who's given any reasons for disliking him; despite the fact that I'm not even voting for him.

In fact, he seems pretty intent in arguing with me about his play, and whether or not it's pro-town. My point is that it isn't going anywhere, and that he should be pursuing his scum reads. But most of the things that Bardull does ask about seem to be either not relavent in trying to determine people's alignment, or be about his own alignment- including specifically asking people whether they think he's scum.

I don't understand why his primary motivation seems to be to determine what people think of him; if he's town, this should not be his priority. And the other side of this coin is that he doesn't seem to be scum-hunting very hard. He's played down his joking around, but I've not seen much substantial from him, and he hasn't pointed out anything to me.

The last thing is that some of his posts seem kinda forced. Talking about why he unvoted John, for instance, doesn't read well for me. His post about what he thought of John wasn't good either. His big post about the relationship he has with OS was super-weird. And none of them were really that relavent to finding scum, which should be his priority.

I'm not 100% on Bardull being scum, but I can't see much town intent from him. He'll probably say I'm wrong about all of this, but I just can't see town Bardull right now. I've been trying to give him some space so that he can actually hunt scum and prove me wrong, but apparently arguing about whether he's town is more important than showing it.

/thatcaseyouwantedOS

@marshy: how do you feel about adum & ronike as possible plays for today? Are they better than Bardull? (I'm assuming you still have Bardull as town).

@Chibo: Talk to me about your top suspects today, please?

meh apparently I post too much so meh let's leave it there.

 

[#HBC | marshy]

ronike can go. i say this with the upmost pain and sadness

lemme think about adumb and reread bardull. just not seeing scumdull. id appreciate os sharing his opinion of adumb if he has a bead on him cuz he has the most experience with adumb and has read him solidly in the past i believe. might take him longer than what weve played so far of this game tho

really want j to make a baller post. chibos grace period is wearing thin now that this game has kicked off

youre not off the hook tho kary and i might just lynch dat *** anyway. we will see

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Marshy here's my problem BRO

I want both Kary and Bardull dead, but I'm gonna have a hard time with Bardull tomorrow if we lynch Kary today and let him go today. That's why I want Bardull dead today and Kary tomorrow.

You feel me? I'll be right there with you on Kary tomorrow bromie, wouldn't mind dat quicklynch now and tomorrow too *brofist*

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

and let Bardull go today*

as in not lynch him

PS Vote: Bardull

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Adumb still needs to claim by the by.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Needs to be dead:
7. BarDulL
10. adumbrodeus
11. Kary

Can die just because:
1. J
6. Chibosempai

Doc on me.
Cop on someone controversial like Overswarm/marshy.
Watcher on me.
Tracker on someone in above list.

We got dis

 

[#HBC | marshy]

quickhit: ****ing cop isnt on me or os. ****s ********

ugh

 

[#HBC | J]

^^^^what he said

Deffo should be on someone that needs clearing or condemning.

Imo, Rajam would be a good candidate or one of Pierce/Sang.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Chibo is hiding like crazy. I'll be on his case about that later.

J is small-ish town lean to me. I've been in a few games with him.

Alright, this is cool, now... more?

Comments on the general game situation please, getting you to contribute is like pulling teeth.

@ adumbro

can you do a brief analysis of bardulls play please?

After taking a closer look at bardull I can't see him as scum.


His RVS was incredibly comfortable.

Subsequently his play has been incredibly earnest.

The sephy vote does make me pause a bit but he's not a particularly proficient player and I read a definite element of the noob "how could somebody pushing my lynch actually be town"?

But his general play gives me a strong impression that he's playing incredibly openly and willing to push pressure and reads around with no prompting whatsoever.

I just don't think he's a strong enough player to pull this off as scum.

Speaking of which...

Meh.

Bardull's main concern seems to be what people think of him.
He dislikes OS, Ronike and Seph becasue they voted for him without giving any explanation as to why. But I can't see him really pushing any of them- in fact he's straight up refusing to talk to Seph. On top of that, his vote is on me, the only person who's given any reasons for disliking him; despite the fact that I'm not even voting for him.

This isn't true, he never said that he disliked OS, the "crushing the life" reference was if he IS scum.

Either it's an intentional lie or crappy reading, considering he's trying to make a case, crappy reading is still damning and suggests an attempt to make excuses in order to move pressure to bardull.

Yea, I REALLY don't like Kary now.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Marshy, pierce is town, don't waste an investigation on him.

 

[SangfroidWarrior]

The bolded, it strikes me as awkward and uncomfortable for an obviously rvs wagon. Given that it's an RVS wagon, and you recognize that it's intended to provoke a reaction, the "why me" just doesn't fit, because the very nature of RVS is essentially random pressure to see who doesn't respond quite right.

Well, from my point of view, it is odd to chose me as a person to form a wagon on because of RVS. So, I was looking for some reason that you chose me over, say, Pierce or John or anyone else. I guess I understand now, sort of, but it makes sense. Thanks for explaining it.

hyrhm... Sang what do you hope to gain by supporting my waggon?

I thought I'd already explained that. I like bardull, he's the wagon opposing yours, I dislike you. If I vote you and support your wagon, hopefully it'll hinder the bardull wagon so you can be lynched today.

Could you explain why Kary should be lynched at all? I haven't seen that case yet.

It wasn't really a case but I made a little paragraph about him in my 356.

Why are you defending Bardull?

Because I have a town read on him and don't think he should be the lynch toDay.

@J. I'll get working on that post for you once I finish cooking dinner.

 

[Ronike]

Still waiting on a reason why you dislike me Bardull. While we are at it, why don't you like me marshy?

 

[adumbrodeus]

Alrighty then. Would you care to share?

Share what? As I said, your subsequent response was better so I just have the suspicion from the initial uncomfortable response.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

This isn't true, he never said that he disliked OS, the "crushing the life" reference was if he IS scum.

Either it's an intentional lie or crappy reading, considering he's trying to make a case, crappy reading is still damning and suggests an attempt to make excuses in order to move pressure to bardull.

Yea, I REALLY don't like Kary now.

Then I'll crush the life right out of his body.

And it will be marvelous.

Frankly, I'm starting not to like him this game. I liked his question towards me as well as his vote analysis post, but he's also agreeing to let SephirothsMasamune lead, someone who can't come up with strong reasoning for why I'm scum outside of being vague and saying I'm "fake." So OS is indirectly agreeing to my lynch on a faulty premise. No me gusta. This is why I dislike Ronike as well, except Ronike screams all sorts of off to me in how he went about eventually jumping on board with Sephiroth

So do you want to go **** yourself now adum?

BY THE ****ING BY
I only put out this damn case on Bardull because OS asked me to. I only brought up stuff against Bardull in the first place because J asked me to. So the notion that I'm trying to deflect attention from me to him is BS. I'm trying to push a bunch of people, and I need dinner. The idea that it's got to be me or Bardull today is stupid. Lynch me if you like but it's a ****ing idiotic play at this stage in the game. Fingers crossed I have more damn patience when I get back tomorrow.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Yeesh, apparently I misread that post rather horrifically.

 

[adumbrodeus]

At the same time...

I only brought up stuff against Bardull in the first place because J asked me to.

What?


I think this is the scummiest sentence I've ever read.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Hmmm.
My apologies, Adum. That was an overreaction on my part.

Now,
My point is that I'm not trying to deflect attention onto Bardull. The only reason I've even been arguing with Bardull in the first place is because J asked me for points against him:

And Kary, I would like you to explain why you are "with" people on the Bardull situation. No one has really fleshed out why Bardull is scummy in their eyes and I would like you to be the person to do as such.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

Yeah, I would've pushed Bardull without being asked to do so. But I wouldn't have done it by dredging up a bunch of his posts and pointing out what I didn't like. I tend to ask questions one at a time, and watch what people are doing aside from talking to me.
So this:

suggests an attempt to make excuses in order to move pressure to bardull.

I don't like.

 

[adumbrodeus]

No, you were justified.


What I don't like is what the quote suggests, that you were pretty much content to sit on the stance without outside pressure. Which again suggests that he is less somebody that you want to see lynched and more a convenient person to try to shift attention to.

 

[CT Chia]

Really frustrated that this started right around CoT6 and other things for me (not at the game mod, just the coincidence lol). I'm going to start reading not only the past to catch up, but more importantly all posts following this so I can not fall behind even more.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

What I don't like is what the quote suggests, that you were pretty much content to sit on the stance without outside pressure. Which again suggests that he is less somebody that you want to see lynched and more a convenient person to try to shift attention to.

Hmmm.

I was happy to simply say I disliked Bardull and see what happened from there. I didn't have a great deal to say against him at that point, and not enough that I thought it was worth bringing up. I wasn't just sitting on the stance, but I wasn't pushing it particularly.

At that point, I didn't especially want Bardull lynched, he just happened to be a person that stuck out to me as suspicious, perhaps the most suspect at that point. I didn't really want anyone lynched at that point- I hadn't seen enough to make up my mind.

To say that I was just trying to shift attention to him... I just don't see that. J wanted a question answered, and I thought it was a way I could contribute, so I pointed out a few things about Bardull.

Don't know what more to say about that.