Online "Play Anyone" is perfect

[The Hypnotist]

I'm channeling the spirits of all Nintendo employees as we speak. In actuality, I do not know. But Sakurai did say he and his team have "thought of everything" and he did mention rooms specifically in the update. What does this mean? I'm channeling the spirit of Sakurai as we speak.

If Sakurai thought of everything, and doesn't include rooms, then he's... ughh

I like Play Anyone, cuz if youre friends arent around, and you would normally just play against a computer, and pick a guy you KNOW you can beat, you can now play against a real person who thinks! However if they leave you wont even know it (unless playing with PokeBalls turned on lol)

Dropping arguments? Are you a debater?

Anyway, I agree, rooms are 1 way online could be better for more serious competitive players, but pandering to us is not really Nintendo's top priority when designing the "With Anyone" mode. You have to admit, the interface is really simple and easy to use, it's probably designed to be n00b friendly. I'm not saying i's perfect, just that we shouldn't really expect anything better from Nintendo, given what they've done with the Wii, which is aiming at people who dont play many games.

I'm an honors member of the National Forensics League, Public Forum and Parliamentary debates are my favorite, I'm varsity FTR. I'm also a member of the Junior State of America. I love politics, a lot, I need to join the smash debate hall.

And rooms wouldn't just make things better for competitive players, it would be beneficial to all. Rooms are simple to use too.

Whatever it is, Nintendo really does have a problem with it.

I honestly don't think Nintendo has a problem with it, because I HONESTLY can't think of one reason, and I have been thinking A LOT. I think one of the following...

Sakurai only wants people to play (strongly encourages) casually. If people played with MLG rules, there'd be less luck, and the casual gamers would try to get into it and lose and cry.

Sakurai is to stupid to think of rooms or think humans are too stupid to figure out how they'd work.

There will be rooms in another "With Anyone" online mode.

I don't really care about knowing who I'm playing (if I want to play someone specific, I can use FCs), but the main problem is that you can't have game rooms and therefore game settings are very limited. I want tournament rules for my "play anyone" mode, not 4-way FFAs with computers.

I agree with you, I want MLG rules. However, I wish I had at least the OPTION to know who I'm playing.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Play anyone is useless.

It'd probably be more fun than playing a bunch of CPUs (Assuming they don't disconnect).

 

[The Hypnotist]

Play anyone is useless.

Correction... Play anyone is useless assuming Spectator and Basic Brawl are the only options. We could get an "Advanced Brawl" we really could.

 

[Firebert]

It'd probably be more fun than playing a bunch of CPUs (Assuming they don't disconnect).

Yeah. It's good for people who can't play against friends.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Yeah. It's good for people who can't play against friends.

Mmhm, like me sometimes, or like my brother back at home who enjoys making CPUs do stupid things to kill themselves.

 

[Xanderous]

Correction... Play anyone is useless assuming Spectator and Basic Brawl are the only options. We could get an "Advanced Brawl" we really could.

You're right.

 

[Tony_]

I love Nintendo as much as anyone, but this is NOT a good thing. It kinda seems that you're calling sour grapes. Honestly, there would be nothing to lose from at least being able to see the names of the people you play. It would, in fact, be excellent if you could find someone online who's good and add him to your friends list so you could play him again. Additionally, it really wouldn't have been that hard to allow for 1 vs 1s online, and it's just illogical that Nintendo wouldn't implement it. I'll enjoy the game, but Nintendo isn't showing that they care about online, and you guys are making excuses for them.

Nintendo only cares about gameplay. Not "fancy online configuration" like Mircosoft has implemented in its product.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Nintendo only cares about gameplay. Not "fancy online configuration" like Mircosoft has implemented in its product.

Being able to have 1 on 1s With Anyone isn't too fancy, is it?

 

[A New England Winter]

So, basically, the idea of this feature is to allow you to play quick rounds of Smash Bros. against many real people without any real fuss or setup whatsoever.

Now, I know many of you are disappointed with the "Play Anyone" feature, because you don't know who you're fighting, but in my opinion, it's actually very clever.

I've given it a think, and I've decided: I don't NEED to know who I'm fighting. Hundreds of people are going to be playing every day! I don't care who they are! I can't be BOTHERED messing around in a foyer being subjected to insults from people I've never met!!

I HATE the general online community!! They're a bunch of absolute ****s!!

The way "Play Anyone" is now, I'll probably be using the online features a lot more than if they were like Xbox Live. All I want to do is play. No fuss.

If I want to play with specific people, I'll add them on my friends list! Somebody's going to set up a Brawl tournement website, so those on the tournement scene will be able to distribute their friend codes if they wish.

"Play Anyone" is an online mode that suits people who don't like playing games online, for the same reasons I don't. For that reason, complaining about it would be selfish.

</rant>

This man is your FRIEND. He fights for FREEDOM.

Xanderous, you, like me, are a f*g, so you don't understand anything about the feature "With Anyone". Thusly, your opinion doesn't matter. (Of course, mine neither, but still)

Granted, a little name and FC flash after a match would be nice, but otherwise, the "With Anyone" feature is a great idea. AT LEAST IT'S ONLINE. Stop whining about it. Don't like it? FC someone. Don't have friends? Find some via SmashBoards or the inevitable FC archiving site that'll be set up somewhere on the interwebs. Don't want to work for it? Well, f**k you. You're just s**t out of luck aren't you? If 8 year olds can do it and set up a thriving community for Pokemon D/P and Netbattle, why can't you for Brawl?

 

[Firebert]

Mmhm, like me sometimes, or like my brother back at home who enjoys making CPUs do stupid things to kill themselves.

Lol, I know what you mean. I have a sister who's the same.

 

[Tony_]

Being able to have 1 on 1s With Anyone isn't too fancy, is it?

If you mean 1 Vs 1 Brawl anyone room then yes it is. The Wii isn't as powerful as the 360. It can't do that.

 

[Xanderous]

If you mean 1 Vs 1 Brawl anyone room then yes it is. The Wii isn't as powerful as the 360. It can't do that.

:D Tony, you always get me chucklin'.

 

[flyinfilipino]

If you mean 1 Vs 1 Brawl anyone room then yes it is. The Wii isn't as powerful as the 360. It can't do that.

No, I mean having the option to fight with just one person at a time in With Anyone. Stuff like that wouldn't be too much of a stretch. I'll admit, I don't know much about 'rooms' and stuff, as I'm new to playing with people online (in fact, my full extent is trading Pokemons with Wi-fi). But we can all hope that With Anyone will have at least a decent amont of customization to it, like the rest ofthe game.

 

[Danielman]

Stuff I dont like about online gaming in general:

****s dropping out cause they'll lose they're high score

A next to infinite time looking for a room with acceptable quality

ANY and all types of HaXoRx

getting kicked for being to good at the game by a nOOb

online johns

people not entering your room

lag abusers and exploiters.

*****'s owning you cause your game froze cause of the horrible lag.

Game Over cause half the players dropped out

Now let's take a look at brawls with anyone mode:

No high scores

straight to the selection screen

How would someone use hAx

No kick

no online johns

your connection is Direct (I assume) so the only difference would be miliseconds

If you happen to disconnect, nobody will know

If 2 people drop out they're replaced by CPUs

And my personal favorite: You actually get to use those coins as shown here:

which means you decide what items you want if you want any with your coins. theres also probably gonna be a limit on how many coins you can use here, so people who earn a lot of them, wont be able to dominate and pick the stages they want.

also, if you're ready before everyone else, you can practice on sandbag, which to be honest, adds to you're list of ''stuff to do while the d*mn game loads''

edit:this is based off my experience with rakion,gunbound and random mmo's.
Please for the love of god enjoy yourselfs for once!
I am being 110 percent honest when I say, I wanna setup an online game in under 2 minutes, no strings attached.think of it as, quick match.You pick your character, set the odds of items and stages and your done!If they dont pick quickly they get a random character, Which means you dont have to wait OVER 9000 hours just so someone can pick character.
*rant over*

 

[omega_ridley_X]

i totally agree with you, susu atari. it's great because things like insults aren't going to be there. Also, people won't know who you are and you have no rank, so people won't always quit and take away the fun. (I know quitters are replaced with CPU's, but it's much more fun to play against real people)

 

[The Hypnotist]

I hate how a ton of people here are fanboys. They just settle for any crap Nintendo gives us. The online is crap, period, they could have done better (assuming there's only spectator and basic brawl in With Anyone). You guys deserve a lot more then what we are getting, especially considering rooms aren't hard to make or to understand at all.

And just my opinion (not like it means much), Xanderous is one of the most intelligent beings on this forum. He uses logic, he doesn't lie to himself, and he doens't try to defend a multi-billion dollar cooperation.

 

[Firebert]

i totally agree with you, susu atari. it's great because things like insults aren't going to be there. Also, people won't know who you are and you have no rank, so people won't always quit and take away the fun. (I know quitters are replaced with CPU's, but it's much more fun to play against real people)

Yeah, computer just can't compare to real people.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Being new to the whole online gaming thing, I'm just appreciative that it's there at all. And we're all probably going to be new online Smashers eventually, so let's just see how much more fun we have when we actually get to experience Brawling with anyone before we judge it too severely.

 

[Tony_]

I hate how a ton of people here are fanboys. They just settle for any crap Nintendo gives us. The online is crap, period, they could have done better (assuming there's only spectator and basic brawl in With Anyone). You guys deserve a lot more then what we are getting, especially considering rooms aren't hard to make or to understand at all.

And just my opinion (not like it means much), Xanderous is one of the most intelligent beings on this forum. He uses logic, he doesn't lie to himself, and he doens't try to defend a multi-billion dollar cooperation.

Can you design a more powerful Wii model so the online can be better? Can ya? Because unless you do, you WILL have to settle for what the Wii gives us.

 

[The Hypnotist]

i totally agree with you, susu atari. it's great because things like insults aren't going to be there. Also, people won't know who you are and you have no rank, so people won't always quit and take away the fun. (I know quitters are replaced with CPU's, but it's much more fun to play against real people)

People will quit if they are getting owned. I play a ton of Netbattle (pokemon) and people forfeit and DC a lot, more often if it is in unranked match (because people who play unrated matches have a propensity to be worse at the game which means they are more likely to get owned. This means that they are more likely to get stressed out and quit).And a ranking system is fun, competition is fun.

 

[jas3]

i would appreciate an online ranking system, because i joined these forums to better myself, and why not try to work my way to the top. also if i have a good match with someone i want to be able to ask them to practice with me.

the only reason i can see why they would keep it anonymous is so that people aren't meeting through nintendo's online gaming. they don't want to be resposible for anything happening like the molestation of a kid. however, they don't have to give headsets or anything. they can just keep the trash talk through custom taunts like they have.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Can you design a more powerful Wii model so the online can be better? Can ya? Because unless you do, you WILL have to settle for what the Wii gives us.

Such a funny man...

It really is a shame though, the dreamcast's online play was better, no bull****.

 

[Xanderous]

Yeah, the Wii is more than powerful enough to provide a robust online service. In fact, power rarely comes into the equation at all.

 

[Firebert]

Yeah, the Wii is more than powerful enough to provide a robust online service. In fact, power rarely comes into the equation at all.

True. It mainly centers on your connection!

 

[jas3]

also 64 spots for friend codes doesn't even really lend itself for online tournament play.

 

[Zarckoh]

I honestly dislike the "With anyone" modes because you can't select a lot of options during the battles. The mayority of them are selected randomly, there are no rankings to battle people from your same skill level, you can't even select the number of players, and you cannot even know the name of your opponents. I'm really dissapointed with the online mode, is a shame that even a game like MPH had more options to use at online "With anyone" than Brawl.

 

[Tony_]

Yeah, the Wii is more than powerful enough to provide a robust online service. In fact, power rarely comes into the equation at all.

Hmm.. This I did not know, but I was also assuming that the Wii couldn't support certain things with online.

Also, this is Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't care about leader boards or all that. That is what Smashboards is for.

 

[flyinfilipino]

Hmm.. This I did not know, but I was also assuming that the Wii couldn't support certain things with online.

Also, this is Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't care about leader boards or all that. That is what Smashboards is for.

Yeah, it's time to really utilize Smashboards as a resource for the best Smashers.

 

[Firebert]

Hmm.. This I did not know, but I was also assuming that the Wii couldn't support certain things with online.

Also, this is Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't care about leader boards or all that. That is what Smashboards is for.

True. It is still very disappointing, though.

 

[The Hypnotist]

Hmm.. This I did not know, but I was also assuming that the Wii couldn't support certain things with online.

Are you being facetious? I honestly can't tell. Because if the Dreamcast, the PS2 and the DS can pull it off, you know the Wii can.

 

[omega_ridley_X]

I guess iv'e been to oblivious to the things that The Hypnotist is saying. when I think about it, I like online ranking and competing for those ranks. Who knows, maybe Sakurai will throw in a ranked mode with the unranked mode, just to staisfy everyones wants and needs.

 

[Tony_]

Are you being facetious? I honestly can't tell. Because if the Dreamcast, the PS2 and the DS can pull it off, you know the Wii can.

The Wii CAN pull all of this off, I agree, but the oddball thing is if the updates for the ladder come in down-loadable form, it can't be done. The Wii cannot support down-loadable content.

 

[Danielman]

Hmm.. This I did not know, but I was also assuming that the Wii couldn't support certain things with online.

Also, this is Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't care about leader boards or all that. That is what Smashboards is for.

It probably has less to do with the console and more with online servers.Pretty much, for the online to be free, You have to sacrifice some things like rooms for example.Not that it matters, I rather play under any conditions with a CONSCIOUS being quickly and not so tedious.

 

[jas3]

i would be willing to pay money for an add-on so i can play competitively. it's worth it to me. i want to work my way to the top. what's the point of playing this much if i can't know where i stand.

competition is what this game boils down to or else there would be just a story mode instead of vs.

 

[omega_ridley_X]

The Wii CAN pull all of this off, I agree, but the oddball thing is if the updates for the ladder come in down-loadable form, it can't be done. The Wii cannot support down-loadable content.

thats right, the wii cant support downloadable content. Thats why they come out with more DOWNLOADABLE games each week, and DOWNLOADABLE channels every once in a while, and in the near future, we will be able to DOWNLOAD complete, new games through the shop channel. (obvious sarcasm)

 

[PyroRyuken]

it actually good that we can play online players, though its going to get annoying not konw who your are playing, so each time you play may be a really bad noob and the matches is a waste of time. But on the other hand that would make your ranking or record easy to get better. Overall the Brawl on online should be a good hit with lots of players.

I was hoping for the online to be similar to the online play for Halo 3. Not only do I want 1 vs. 1 but 2 vs 2 would be nice(you and a freind vs random people). If that isn't in I don't really care.

 

[Danielman]

The Wii CAN pull all of this off, I agree, but the oddball thing is if the updates for the ladder come in down-loadable form, it can't be done. The Wii cannot support down-loadable content.

O really, then what is the virtual console?

i would be willing to pay money for an add-on so i can play competitively. it's worth it to me. i want to work my way to the top. what's the point of playing this much if i can't know where i stand.

Spoiler

God sometime I wish people knew that competition doesnt make game;What makes a game is MONEY

competition is what this game boils down to or else there would be just a story mode instead of vs.

yea, yea, Like your not gonna even consider playing classic mode, just to enjoy it, or the sse or the event modes or that stuff right?

Spoiler

I must restrain from using caps, I must...

edit:To the above I answer:Sakurai said it himself in the update,THERE IS a team mode for brawl, Maybe you and a random person,OR your little brother and you.I wouldnt complain if I were you.

 

[flyinfilipino]

I was hoping for the online to be similar to the online play for Halo 3. Not only do I want 1 vs. 1 but 2 vs 2 would be nice(you and a freind vs random people). If that isn't in I don't really care.

I think that's what the Team thing under With Anyone is.

 

[Spellman]

I hate how a ton of people here are fanboys. They just settle for any crap Nintendo gives us. The online is crap, period, they could have done better (assuming there's only spectator and basic brawl in With Anyone). You guys deserve a lot more then what we are getting, especially considering rooms aren't hard to make or to understand at all.

I'm not expecting a lot is all. I mean... ugh, this is tough to explain. I went in with low expectations for online play. The DS online example, the Strikers example, him literally telling us that there was going to be minimal options...

I know there's no excuse for paying for crap, but c'mon. Super Smash Bros. Brawl is going to be one of the most complete gaming packages available on the Wii in graphics, sound, gaming modes and content, single player, local multi player. And let's not get picky about the graphics, they're pretty nice, and the art style is what really counts. They really know how to push graphics to their limits like Retro Studio does.

If you believe online play is really the defining and revolutionary part of gaming in this day in age, then I can see how this would be a disappointment. I can't blame you. But for me, the majority of stuff that I'm anticipating for the game is on it's way. The current online predicament is like an added bonus for me, that's all.

I'm sure there is still tons of things you're looking forward to in Brawl, no?

And just my opinion (not like it means much), Xanderous is one of the most intelligent beings on this forum.

Well I gotta agree with you there. He is pretty chill.

O really, then what is the virtual console?

I'm lovin' the virtual console.

 

[Firebert]

I think that's what the Team thing under With Anyone is.

That's my guess, and I hope that I'm right!