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Don't think you missed much. It's generally Q&A on some MUs for the most part, but not a lot of general discussion on specific MUs like some other character boards do.
Mr Moosebones
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Pretty difficult. Only sonic i've ever lost to is static manny game 3 last hit in a money match though so idk maybe not. was doing well vs 6wx in friendlies last weekend.
I would think that with the different shield mechanics in 1.1.1, it would be harder to spam smashes and purple side Bs recklessly on shield. Some characters, like Robin, Pikachu, and Ryu, benefit from the new shield mechanics due to the hitlag modifiers inducing a lot of shieldstun, making sitting in shield riskier. It's more dangerous for a character who tends to stay around the area he controls and tends to use defensive options often.
- Don't stay in shield too much; with how the shield works right now, it's hard to punish Pika if it hits your shield because of the large amount of hitlag. Instead, you need to be constantly on the move and use retreating pivot grabs and pivot Fsmash as he approaches you.
I haven't played the matchup in 1.1.2 enough yet, but I'd imagine the scope of the matchup hasn't changed: Don't let him close in on you. He may not have a simple combo that easily closes out stocks anymore, but his attacks are still fast, his dash grab needs to be respected, and he is still good at churning combos off of Dthrow.
Myran
a few months back is still applicable on treating the matchup.
Myran
can you give some insight on how to deal with Pikachu? I don't have problems with getting the kill, upthrow and upair kill him pretty early, but getting him to kill percent is a pain. I want to outcamp and keep him away but he is so fast and can rush me down. It's so hard to land for me, because he just upsmashes me even if i nair into the ground. Quick attack and his aerials in general are like unpunishable for me if i shield them because Olimars oos options arent that great. Perfect shield also doesnt work because fair and bair are multihits.
It sounds to me like you're trying a lot of pivot grabs in neutral. The Falcon player probably caught on to what you're trying to do and punished you due to the endlag. That's why it's better to stop trying to pivot grab him in neutral and just wait for him to commit to an approach. Considering it's Falcon, it's hard to do that, but at the very least it should make you a little less vulnerable to punishes.So I am currently having alot of trouble with the captain falcon matchup. Its so hard to land vs him and he can easily even the space out, and i just feel like olimar is too slow to deal with his constant barrage of attacks in neutral. I find myself getting so much dmg racked up on me after 1 grab maybe its cuz i DI bad but this falcon i play consistently gets knees and dairs on stage on me.. and on top of things I have no idea how to deal with his auto canceled back airs...i mean i try pivot grabbing but he just waits in the air long baits it out and then hits me when i use it. Even then when i use pivot grab he waits for me to use it then goes on to punish my blank pivot grabs too... i just feel like this matchup is too much in falcons favor and its hella hard to land back safely
For getting to the ground, did you try using whistle? I think Pika's Usmash is slow enough that you may be able to armor through it if you time it right.
Pls help, this mu is what kicked me into losers Last weekend.
Pls help, this mu is what kicked me into losers Last weekend.
Boomuki
Blue Banana
said, is a great option too if you can be precise.
55:45 olimar whole poking throw and run thing won't work cause of caoe. He has nair and up b to break out down throw combos. He can combo olimar decently. And he's better at killing. However olimar outranges mario with pikmin.vs where I main both and play players on both sides.
A great example would be Ally's mario who destroys olimar. Your frame data is amazing and your everything normally beats our everything (pikmin attacks are projectile priority and lose all the time) and a cape with the chance to kill us hella early if we smash attk with a purple (spamming smash attacks in normal non reflector matchups which is olimar's normal game is unsafe to begin with the cape in the first place). Yes, Olimar may have "okay" landing tools (Up B,whistle/saving jumps,B reversing mixups), but that is made quite difficult with mario's speed as well as invincible, spammable upsmash and fast aerials to even land to begin with. 60/40 Mario's favor is a more reasonable ratio imo.I main mario
I know I explained the basics but that's all I know it's not like
Yeah, nair beats out all smash attacks. The range on Mario's upsmash and dsmash are killer for Olimar also because of how hard they are to punish. The only thing that really outranges Mario is fsmash, but our sweetspot is up close. And if we try to do an up close fsmash, cape can OHKO us.
ur right. I lied he doesnt, only a few.... I was just dreaming that he did. I cry.
Doc may be slower and therefore easier to play keepaway than Mario, but the slight power boost and differences in some of his attacks (like UpB) mean that he can punish you more per hit than Mario if you mess up. In my opinion, the doctor matchup is a little easier than the plumber matchup, but it's still a matchup that requires some work to win.
In general the optimal line up consists of at least a purple and a yellow. The yellow when you throw it either onto the thunder jolt projectile or onto pikachu himself to neutralize it from coming out in the first place, while the purple timing, for obvious reasons, pushing pikachu back. (Any pikmin can stuff his thunder jolts and just throwoing them out is actually useful to prevent him from thunderjolt camping and running away with quick attack.)
I have like 3 dedicated toon links in the houston area (2 former PR with tl with pre pre patch diddy), and they vary from playing really aggressive, to trying to outcamp me. It sounds like you deal with the latter and in that sense its easier to deal with rather than aggressive use of boomerang and bomb placement into aerials, nair and zair for shield pressure etc etc. Regardless what I focus at kill percent is having a purple/red/blue lineup. You have side B that beats all his projectiles, purple. The blue for the run past him pivot grab. And the red for well the smash attack.
Cool. Thanks for the line up advice. I'll definitely try to work more with purples. And yeah, I was definitely dealing with a campy TL. It felt like he would win that because I would have to "reset" after 3 projectiles (either with whistle or more plucking) while he could keep throwing stuff.
The pikmin would have to be attached to TL in a position that the bomb instantly explodes because it hits the pikmin when thrown. It's probably the same reason why a red absorbs the fireball when attached to Mario's side or why a yellow eats a Thunder Jolt when it's on Pikachu's face.
after sheik/zss we should work on falcon, mario and fox next as they are the most common and are probably worse matchups in their favor vs olimar imo (sheik questionably but ya know what i mean)
Coincidentally, those three are in the next two discussion sets after Shiek/ZSS!
Oh yeahhhh
The general consensus is that we have a disadvantage against Yoshi in the matchup and we need to be very careful with spacing and timing against him. It was discussed in the new matchup thread towards the bottom of the first page if you want to read specifics. I'm actually not sure if this thread is still supposed to be open, so if you have more matchup questions, you may want to look there first or ask in the Q&A thread.
