Olimar match-up tier list

[Sudz]

Ayo

Myran, a top-level professional Olimar player that placed 9th at Genesis, has posted a match-up tier list for Olimar, including some light MU analysis in responses to other users

Here's my current MU chart for Olimar. He has no losing MUs. Also I don't have perfect exp vs everyone so some stuff definitely will change. Youtube video coming later with explanations for everyone as I made it. He's definitely top 3 and best character in the game potentially. pic.twitter.com/0JwaP7m7qI

— Myran (@MyranSSB) February 7, 2019

 

[BlueJaySSB]

Ayo

Myran, a top-level professional Olimar player that placed 9th at Genesis, has posted a match-up tier list for Olimar, including some light MU analysis in responses to other users

Here's my current MU chart for Olimar. He has no losing MUs. Also I don't have perfect exp vs everyone so some stuff definitely will change. Youtube video coming later with explanations for everyone as I made it. He's definitely top 3 and best character in the game potentially. pic.twitter.com/0JwaP7m7qI

— Myran (@MyranSSB) February 7, 2019

Idk if I agree he loses no matchups. He struggles against characters that can get inside on a diagonal angle and get at him with constant pressure. Honestly, I think he loses vs Fox/Wolf.

 

[Pogoshark]

Any idea what makes Incineroar such a favoured MU?
His revenge makes throwing Pikmin at him really dangerous and ive been struggling with the MU vs any incineroar that knows they can do this

 

[Sudz]

Any idea what makes Incineroar such a favoured MU?
His revenge makes throwing Pikmin at him really dangerous and ive been struggling with the MU vs any incineroar that knows they can do this

I am not at all familiar with Olimar so I don't have an answer for that, but the input Myran gave in response to another user on Twitter was that Olimar can just bait/force Incineroar to approach, which can be abused because of his slow speed. Play super campy I guess is what that means, even w/o projectiles? What options have you already explored in the MU?

 

[Bobert]

How is Lucina even and Marth advantage? They're essentially the same character. The only huge difference between them is back air because they destroyed Marth's version while letting Lucina retain a ton of it's power despite not having to land a tipper.

 

[Sudz]

How is Lucina even and Marth advantage? They're essentially the same character. The only huge difference between them is back air because they destroyed Marth's version while letting Lucina retain a ton of it's power despite not having to land a tipper.

Lucina is significantly better than Marth as a result of her attacks' consistency, which allows her to play in a way that Marth cannot because it would be unsafe for him to do so

 

[Bobert]

Lucina is significantly better than Marth as a result of her attacks' consistency, which allows her to play in a way that Marth cannot because it would be unsafe for him to do so

I agree that Lucina is probably the better character, but not significantly. Marth wasn't significantly better than Lucina in Smash 4 and I don't think she's significantly better here. They have the exact same frame data and range on all attacks and share combo trees very closely. You're being kind of vague, but I'm assuming you're saying Lucina can be more aggressive, but Lucina's attacks being slightly safer on shield compared to non tippered attacks doesn't swing a losing matchup into an even or winning one, especially against a character that isnt going to be playing close to you in the first place, and she still shouldn't be going super aggro in neutral anyway because her frame data isnt the best.

 

[Sudz]

I agree that Lucina is probably the better character, but not significantly. Marth wasn't significantly better than Lucina in Smash 4 and I don't think she's significantly better here. They have the exact same frame data and range on all attacks and share combo trees very closely. You're being kind of vague, but I'm assuming you're saying Lucina can be more aggressive, but Lucina's attacks being slightly safer on shield compared to non tippered attacks doesn't swing a losing matchup into an even or winning one, especially against a character that isnt going to be playing close to you in the first place, and she still shouldn't be going super aggro in neutral anyway because her frame data isnt the best.

One of the bigger things is that her lack of Marth's sourspot also makes her much better at edge guarding. Any off-stage play by Lucina is a good play, whereas with Marth that is not the case and he can even throw away his advantage because of it. (Edit: also, just struggling to kill in general when missing tippers)

With me personally I am never concerned going into a match against a Marth, whereas when I see Lucina I know I'm in for a fight. I win significantly more matches against Marth than I do against Lucina, as any of the characters I play.