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[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

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Paper Mario Master

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My perfect Smash Bros 4 character list:

Keep everyone from Brawl
-change Ganondorf so he actually has a Zelda-themed moveset rather than being Falcon's slower fatter father.
-change Falco and Wolf's Final Smashes.
-change Toon Link's FS to Oni Link from Majora's Mask.

Bring back Mewtwo and Roy from Melee
-do some extensive adjusting of Mewtwo. Make him heavier, power up his attacks a little, change Down B and Side B to Psycho Cut (psychic blade spins around his body, hitting once in the air and multiple times on the ground) and Psybeam (operates like Flamethrower/Fire Breath, but can't be tilted and holds the opponent in place until it starts to fade out, then it's easy to escape). Change some of his A moves around so they're more mental than physical and use Psychic energy instead of Darkness.
-change around Roy so he's the middle FE character in terms of weight and speed and power. Keep Counter and Flare Blade, but change DED to something like a sword throw which boomerangs back to him, and change his Up B to an attack where he leaps up until he reaches an opponent or the height limit, then does a single spin slash. Also change around his A moves so they're visually different from Marth's.

Make these Assist Trophy characters playable:
-Saki
-Isaac
-Little Mac
-Waluigi
-Kat & Ana

-Ray mkIII
-Gray Fox
-Lyn
-Samurai Goroh

Make Ridley playable

Add these characters:
Donkey Kong series
-King K. Rool (Down B changes him to Kaptain and Baron, all three have different movesets, same Final Smash for all costumes)

Zelda series
-Vaati

Metroid series
-Rundas
-Weavile

Yoshi series
-Kamek

StarFox series
-Krystal

Pokemon series
-Heracross

Mother series
-Porky (in a scaled-down version of his Heavily Armed Porky walker from Mother 2/EarthBound)

Fire Emblem series
-Black Knight

Sonic series
-Knuckles

Miscellaneous series
-Animal Crosser Boy/Girl (can choose which one to use, only play as one, only difference is cosmetic)
-King Hippo (Punch-Out!)
-Mike Jones (StarTropics)

Everything I don't agree with is in bold.....

First of all, Toon Link isn't from Majora's Mask, he's from Four Sword Minish Cap Wind Waker Phantom Hourglass and now Spirit Tracks. His FS should be a Four Sword type thing or Wind Waker, not the Fierce Deity from MM.

I don't want to start a Roy argument but your ideas are good for him if he comes back.

Mewtwo doesn't need his moves changed, but if they are give him somethin awesome like Psychic instead his old Confusion for B <> and maybe Psycho Cut like you said for his Bv

Waluigi, Kat&Ana, and Gray Fox should not become playable, we don't need to go making a bunch of ATs characters.

K. Rool should have one moveset and stay K. Rool except maybe an costume alt.

We don't need that many Metroids, heck it's a stretch to add Weavel.

Heracross really? I understand if he's your fav PKMN but he won't be playable maybe a pokeball though.

Mother/EB doesn't really need so I've heard, and if they did get one there are others that would likely get in first.

The BK........he'd probably be a Luigified slower heavier clone of Ike....

AC's=no, not just me a bunch of people (including Sakurai I think) don't want them....
I don't even like Lil Mac why King Hippo?
Ummmmmmmmm probably not.....
 

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Paper Mario Master said:
Plus somebody (don't want to take the time to look) I think said something about Sakurai not wanting Japan only characters even if they're popular. I know he's not JO but his moves would come from Tingle's Rupee Land which is JO. I could be wrong about the not wanting JO characters.
Just wanted to drop in here and say that Rosy Rupeeland wasn't Japan-only, it was released in Europe. That's how I managed to play it in English. In addition to this, Balloon Trip of Love, his new game, is being released in Europe. Unless, of course, you're stereotypical and meaning not released in America by Japan-only. >_>

tl; dr: Tingle isn't Japan-only. Stop saying he is.

BurningCharizard said:
-Rundas
-Weavile
Are you sure you don't mean:
-Ridley
-Ridley
 

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But then that would be corny.
Maybe so, but it would be somewhat fitting (he lives in the year 2112, after all).

He also got a bad*** makeover for his appearance as a trophy in Melee.



Edit: Finally, here's a little something that was posted by NukeA6 in a Mach Rider moveset thread a couple of years back:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n01/n64/so...Return049.html
-Ooh, here's a juicy one. Someone asks what Sakurai's favourite character for Smash is and his favourite drink.

Favourite character: Captain Falcon
Favourite character for Smash 2: Mach Rider
Favourite drink: Black tea in the afternoon, straight.

Can you believe that? BLACK TEA?! Oh, and the Mach Rider thing is interesting too
Granted, the chances for MR to show up are slim, but the possibility is there, at least.
 

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To add on to what PMM said, Knuckles, I'm sorry to say, probably won't get in before Shadow. I'm not being biased, but think about it.

-Shadow is more popular with newer and younger Sonic fans.

-Shadow is the only Sonic character after Sonic to have his own game.

-Shadow got in as an AT in Brawl before Knuckles.

Just a small gripe, also, Kamek and WEAVEL (Weavile is a pokemon :laugh:) probably won't get in.
 

Paper Mario Master

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Just wanted to drop in here and say that Rosy Rupeeland wasn't Japan-only, it was released in Europe. That's how I managed to play it in English. In addition to this, Balloon Trip of Love, his new game, is being released in Europe. Unless, of course, you're stereotypical and meaning not released in America by Japan-only. >_>

tl; dr: Tingle isn't Japan-only. Stop saying he is.
Oh, sorry I didn't know it was in Europe.....>_> and listen to you "Balloon Trip of Love" does that sound like a good character?

Okay to be I guess correct it would be non World Wide and come on there are better characters and his moves would be from that Rosy Love stuff. I'd much rather have Vaati, SK, TG or Midna. I don't care if most of them only had one game, That can be applied to R.O.B, Kind of IC and I'm Pretty sure Lucas.
 
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Oh, sorry I didn't know it was in Europe.....>_> and listen to you "Balloon Trip of Love" does that sound like a good character?

Okay to be I guess correct it would be non World Wide and come on there are better characters and his moves would be from that Rosy Love stuff. I'd much rather have Vaati, SK, TG or Midna. I don't care if most of them only had one game, That can be applied to R.O.B, Kind of IC and I'm Pretty sure Lucas.
But those one character examples didn't make it in over someone of greater importance to the series (save maybe Lucas...I don't follow Mother) Like, unfortunaly, Tingle is to the Zelda Series...Oh and BTW R.O.B was useable in three games

EDIt: How do people feel about a Tales character over Pac-man for a Namco rep (assuming they do get one)
 

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But those one character examples didn't make it in over someone of greater importance to the series (save maybe Lucas...I don't follow Mother) Like, unfortunaly, Tingle is to the Zelda Series...Oh and BTW R.O.B was useable in three games

EDIt: How do people feel about a Tales character over Pac-man for a Namco rep (assuming they do get one)
You're saying Tingle is important right? and srry bout the R.O.B I didn't know.....

Meh, I don't really want either.....
 

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Tingle is fairly important, appearing in every Zelda game since his creation, except for Phantom Hourglass (If my memory serves me right). I suspect he'll start appearing less in LoZ games and more in his own spin-offs soon (Much like Wario).

I would love for the Namco character to be a SoulCalibur character. Stranger things have happened.
 

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Tingle is fairly important, appearing in every Zelda game since his creation, except for Phantom Hourglass (If my memory serves me right). I suspect he'll start appearing less in LoZ games and more in his own spin-offs soon (Much like Wario).

I would love for the Namco character to be a SoulCalibur character. Stranger things have happened.
SC is a better choice than Loyd or Pac-Man.....

and was Tingle in TP?

Maybe the SC character could be Sigfried/Nightmare.....

EDIT: on an off-note.....I think they should make a Four Sword game Wind Waker style, just to see what it would be like....
 

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n88_2004 said:
Tingle is fairly important, appearing in every Zelda game since his creation, except for Phantom Hourglass (If my memory serves me right). I suspect he'll start appearing less in LoZ games and more in his own spin-offs soon (Much like Wario).
He wasn't in TP, though Purlo, the guy running the STAR game, was a direct reference to him. Indeed, it seems like he's being phased out of Zelda games, and being put into his own games. Since these games are only released in Japan and Europe, where people aren't massively homophobic, by SSB4 Americans who would hate him wouldn't even know who he is.

n88_2004 said:
I would love for the Namco character to be a SoulCalibur character. Stranger things have happened.
Soul Calibur isn't exactly a big Nintendo series, but it's not like there's any competition for a Namco character... I could see it happening in SSB5 or 6, though it isn't all that likely.

There are a bunch of potential SC characters, but Nightmare seems the most likely should there be one.
 
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Lloyd is more important to Nintendo/Namco relations. Tales of Symphonia was almost a Gamecube exclusive, as they intended (It was released later for the PS2). Namco wanted the game to be nintendo exclusive.
 

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SC is a better choice than Loyd or Pac-Man.....

and was Tingle in TP?

Maybe the SC character could be Sigfried/Nightmare.....
Tingle wasn't in it, but he was directly referenced with a very similar character.

I like the idea of Siegried/Nightmare, but I think having two characters in one would make Namco seem more represented than other third-parties, leading to a lot of people b****ing about it. People whined about Mario being giant in Event 41. THere was a lot of "Sakurai thinks Nintendo is better than everyone else!" Never mind that it's a Nintendo game. It's clearly due to Sakurai's superiority complex.

Anyway, barring Nightmare/Siegfried, I would pick Yoshimitsu, Taki, Sophitia, or Mitsurugi.
 

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I didn't take Zasalamel because he's kind of new to the series, his first appearance being in SCIII. (Although he is bad-***)

@shino
Lloyd is more important, but if Namco asks Nintendo to put a character in Smash Bros, I think they'd pick one from one of their bigger series. Sometimes, guest stars are not completely logical. *Points at Samus and Link almost being playable in Marvel: Ultimate Alliance*
 

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About Mach Rider, his design seems like something that could be used for a Captain Falcon alt costume of sorts if those were to be in the next game. (Though I'd kind of prefer a Phoenix alt costume for Falcon....but hey, who says there can't be more than one?)
 

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Namco is pretty much a gamble when it comes to having a possible 3rd party rep. Here are the possible candidates:

Pac-Man
One of Soul Calibur's more notable reps (Mitsurugi, Ivy, Taki, Nightmare, etc)
Klonoa
Lloyd
Taizo from Dig Dug (in his Namco X Capcom incarnation)

So yeah, it could be anyone of these, really.

About Mach Rider, his design seems like something that could be used for a Captain Falcon alt costume of sorts if those were to be in the next game. (Though I'd kind of prefer a Phoenix alt costume for Falcon....but hey, who says there can't be more than one?)
Well, to be fair, Captain Falcon is Mach Rider's spiritual successor, since both of their respective IPs are racing games.

To be honest, it would be jarring for me to see Cpt. Falcon wearing a Mach Rider outfit while performing Falcon Punches and blurting out "Show me your moves!". :dizzy: I'd rather if they were pitted against each other.

Myself, I'd like to see a Phoenix alt costume as well (along with Beastman). ;)
 

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Saibok who?
It was the thing where Yoshimitsu stuck his sword through his own body to hit people. Massive damage to both parties.

Namco is pretty much a gamble when it comes to having a possible 3rd party rep. Here are the possible candidates:

Pac-Man
One of Soul Calibur's more notable reps (Mitsurugi, Ivy, Taki, Nightmare, etc)
Klonoa
Lloyd
Taizo from Dig Dug (in his Namco X Capcom incarnation)

So yeah, it could be anyone of these, really.
Somehow, I doubt it'll be Ivy. There are a lot of kids that play Smash, you know.
 

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Yeah, that's why I would pick someone else.

Of all the female characters, the only ones with prominence and at least some clothes are Taki and Sophitia.
 

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Somehow, I doubt it'll be Ivy. There are a lot of kids that play Smash, you know.
Yeah, you're right about that. :ohwell: Taki would be a better choice.

But boy, if they thought that Zamus drew too much attention, Taki will certainly blow their minds with the amount of bounce she has. :chuckle:

As for a different subject...What music genres did the Smash remixes not use yet? I can think of house, disco, trance, industrial, swamp rock and progressive house as examples.
 

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I'm no genius on it, but I think likelihood of namco reps would look something like this:

1: Pac man.
2: Lloyd.
Last: Everyone else.

If we were to see a SC rep, it would probably be Nightmare with a Siegfried alternate costume. After that, I'd soonest see maybe Kilik, Mitsurugi, or Xianghua. Out of them, I just wouldn't want both Nightmare and Kilik, given both of thier weapons' range.
Let's face it. The reason why Ivy and Taki are so popular is the reason they wouldn't get in. I personally think the SC girls who are least fan service based are Xianghua, Cassandra, and Talim. And that's really not saying much. Especially Cassandra in 4.
 

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Why? I don't understand why?
Well, to be frank, techno, orchestral and metal are nice, but there needs to be more musical genres to be used so that SSB4's soundtrack can be more diverse, fresh and exciting!

I mean, there's plenty of people on Youtube that came up with various video game remixes.

For example, here's a happy hardcore remix of Kirby's "invincibility candy" theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peXGG7En34
 

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Well, to be frank, techno and metal are nice, but there needs to be more musical genres to be used so that SSB4's soundtrack can be more diverse, fresh and exciting!

I mean, there's plenty of people on Youtube that came up with various video game remixes.
But still, I can understand discussing songs that should be in, but types if music?
 
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