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I don't support Toon Zelda much at all but I do support her more than Tingle.
1. Different directors have different takes on characters.
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Yes to SK! and he might MM was VC ya know
It just comes easier to one than the other is all, and one would technically be based around things from within the game, while the other most likely wouldn't. Plus there's the animal helpers, which have esablished attacks (Though personally, I'd prefer the Microgame theme)
We'll never know if Shake It could have done that well if it was a launch title, but given the fact that Nintendo had enough confidence to have the game as a launch title does seem to indicate its popularity. In any case I think he must look at sales to some degree, based on the fact that the series with the most sales generally have more characters, especailly when considering current sales, rather than just past ones. Still, I'd think that since sales normally do equate to popularity, it'd make more sense to give more focus towards the aspect of the series that's doing better for the time being.
whats bad about gamecube? i like the n64 and the g.cube
well yeah absolutely
I know you're really hung up on the moveset thing but it really doesn't matter. It's not important at all.
I remember some columnist at IGN or somewhere had Koopalings at the top of his list and he was like "just make it happen." Would've been sweet.
You don't think Shake It could've gotten an extra million in sales if it was one of the only games available for the Wii? Especially in light of the other titles on sale at the time and the history of WL games selling 2 million each. But I don't know why we're discussing this.
Sure it is. Its better to use a character who has already existing moves, and if not that, ones that refference the series they are from. The majority of characters aren't ones who don't have anything to work with, after all, and Sakurai has made comments on characters that just don't fit a combat setting, such as the AC human and the Nintendog.
I remember that too. Still, I really can't think of a good way to use them all, and since they are always known as a group, you can't just have one without the other.
I actually tracked the information of Shake It at the time, so I do know there are Wario fans. (I also remember that a bunch of people kept on speculating that Syrup's role in Shake It could get her into SSB4, though it turned out in the end that she didn't really do much)
A extra million wouldn't get it to WWSM's sales though. I'm not going to deny that being a launch title would have helped it a bit more. All I'm saying is that I don't think that even if it was though that it would have sold like WWSM. (Though this may be in part to the fact that Shake It didn't use the motion controls in the same way WWSM did)
I think you're downplaying sales too much. They basically do translate out into popularity as far as the series is concerned. If Syrup does have enough populairty though, she'll make a return apperance in the next WL game (whenever that may be) or even get in way into some of the Mario spinoffs and/or WW games. If she has the popularity to do the latter, then she very well may put Mona (and all other Wario characters) out of the picture. Still, that's a big if.
Nah it's cool, I just don't like him and on top of that I think there are, among the other choices (Midna Skull Kid Vaati any Toon) better characters than him. It's kinda like the Doc vs. PM argument.PMM: Why do you not want Tingle to be in? Not that I support/dislike the idea of him being in (I'm kind of indifferent toward the idea), just curious.
And sorry if this was cleared up before.... I just don't feel like checking the last couple of pages.
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No, it really is irrelevant. Sakurai only cares whether it's "wrong" for certain characters to be fighting. You make it sound as if playing Mona would be like "of course! just like in WarioWare!" where playing Captain Syrup would be like "well I can't enjoy this, they made that up." And then you have to assume people care more about made-up movesets over the fact that they can actually play as them.
If by "didn't do much" you mean start the plot, appear consistently (since you had to visit the shop at least several times for the maps), and pretty much steal the ending (literally and figuratively), then sure, she didn't do much. I'm not sure if you're still tracking the fans, but now they want to see Wario chase her down again. Wario fans LOVE the war between the two.
670k vs. 2.03 million isn't an exact million, but you know what I mean. If you don't think being a launch title would've mattered that much, then I have have any interest in talking to you about the how and why of sales.
Sakurai is the one downplaying sales. If you don't agree with that, that's fine. You're the one stuck in the notion that WL sales are tangible points for Syrup and WW sales for Mona. It's not that basic.
I was responding that Paper Mario does have personality beyond being simply "flat Mario".
Well Syrup really doesn't fight though, while Mona takes a active role, at least in the cutscenes. Thus the problem with Syrup is that there's really not much she activley does. She has others do her work, and that's why she doesn't have much to go by in terms of actual moves that she could call her own. Thus the problem becomes that people aren't playing as Captain Syrup, they are playing with generic pirate moveset #34B with Syrup's image pasted over it. She's a manipulator who doesn't do these things herself, unless she had one of those mechs from WL2, in which case, she'd be better off as a boss.
I meant didn't do much in a active role. The Happy Mask Salesman had a large role in MM, but he wasn't a active type of character. You can't really want to play as him. And I really find it kind of hard to beleive that Wario fans "LOVE" the war between the two, so can you get me some proof of this?
I worded it poorly (okay, worse than poorly. I need to proof read better) but I didn't deny that its sales would have been higher. I just don't think that on Earth 2, where Shake It was the launch title, that the sales would have been better than Smooth Moves over here on Earth 1, though that could be because of the way each used the motion controls.
Its not the deciding factor, no, but its still a point. As of now, the WW series is more popular than the WL, and thus that a character from the WW games is more likely than one from WL.
yes i agree the one in melee is better we need something kickass
So... because she never fought Wario without genies or robots in Wario Land, she can't be playable in Smash Bros.? Because it wouldn't be accurate to her canon, right? Is this the problem?
How is she not active? She's everywhere and she pretty much carries the (very basic) plot the entire way through. The only thing she didn't do was have a boss fight. And that's ignoring the other Wario Land games she's in (particularly #2).
Considering ANY motion controls three years ago were revolutionary (hence the original name), I'm sure people would eat up what Shake It had, especially given WL's sales history.
I don't know how many times I have to say this.
tv tropes???????????
Oops, I realized I made a mistake in my last post. I meant to ask whether you used Vgchartz, not Gamerankings. I had a complete mental meltdown, yet I still had my questioned answered none the less. lol
The fact that in the WL games, that she's basically the equivilent to Dr. Wiley doesn't discount her from being a playable character, though it is something that would be akward given her past history. In opposition, Mona's more apt to fight at close range, and the microgame idea can be implemented in such a way too. Its just that one character fits better as a playable character in this situation. (Though don't get me wrong Syrup could be playable, but it just wouldn't fit as well)
She sold maps, and stole treasure without confrontation. She wasn't very active. Perhaps the problem here is that I'm using the word active in a unusual way though. What I mean by it is that she is not as inclined to action in Shake It, and rather just sits on the sidelines. In WL2, where she had her biggest role, she was more active, though she never got into any combat herself.
She's the first recurring villain, but not the only one technically. (Poor Rudy. No one loves you. ;_; )
I somewhat doubt that, given how mass appeal normally isn't for platformers any more, and how Smooth Moves was generally geared towards a wider audiance. If it had WL's sales history, then it would be doing better than it is right now though. None of the other WL games were launch titles after all.
Its true that sales don't say a individual character's popularity, but it does indicate the series popularity. In a case like this, it gives Mona a advantage over Syrup, though that's all it is, a advantage. Thus in something that's fairly even, I'd say the person with the advantage is more likely than the one who doesn't have it. And popularity through forums is quite a difficult thing to gauge, given the nature of most forums. At this point, there is no real "Who would you rather have as a Wario character in SSB4" threads going on around here, or any other place that I am aware of, so I really can't say the general fan's reaction, but I don't think you can either. As it stands, Syrup got kicked out of the WL games for a bit there, while Mona's been in nearly every WW game so far (The exception is the Wii version of WW DIY, but I think that's only because the characters used in there were all ones not used in the DS version) Now you're probably going to nitpick me judgeing characters popularity based on their attendance in their own series, but as far as I'm concerned its usually pretty faithful in series with reoccuring characters, since people want to see more of them. At the very least it seems a better idea than using the internet alone as a basis for popularity.
When you think about it, Mach Rider doesn't sound so awkward. It's possible for him to get his own moveset without having to be on his motorcycle all the time.
