[Official SSB4 Discussion] --- Nintendo announces 2 new Smash games!

[Wizzerd]

Who thinks another Mother representative would be good for SSB4?

The Mother series was lucky to get a second character. I might go so far to say that it was lucky to get a first character, in 64 no less, when it's such a niche series. I mean, it could happen, but it seems unlikely, especially when the series won't be getting any new games.

Oh, and I agree with KumaOso about the hurtboxes of alts. If a character's body shape is so different from the original character that their hurtboxes would be noticably fudged, then they shouldn't be an alt in the first place.

 

[Jerome]

The Mother series was lucky to get a second character. I might go so far to say that it was lucky to get a first character, in 64 no less, when it's such a niche series. I mean, it could happen, but it seems unlikely, especially when the series won't be getting any new games.

I wouldn't say lucky. Lucas was planned for Melee but was cut since they canceled Mother 3 for the N64. I am not sure about this but isn't the creator of smash good friends with the creator of the Mother series? Alot of good characters was cut in the N64 snash but Ness was still in. And if there won't be a Mother 4 then Nintendo should give the first Mother some love and add Ninten or Ana.

 

[Mowrt620]

I personaly HATE the idea of alts, exept for a few characters
But on lots of lists and stuff, people are adding alts OVERLOAD!!!!
We don't need a dr. mario alt, seriously!

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

I don't see anythign wrong with it as long as the main roster is getting done correctly. As long as nothing is taken away from the development of the main roster, Alts just add to the fun. I'd prefer alts over 6 random palette swaps anyway >.>

 

[Starphoenix]

We do not need a new Mother rep, what we need is actual music from Earthbound! Kraken of the Sea, Pokey Means Business, Deep Darkness, Welcome To Magicant, New Age Retro Hippie, heck FOURSIDE! Not Mother 3 or Mother but freaking EARTHBOUND Sakurai! They had Fourside in Melee so it did not stop them before, there is no reason any of the tracks could not have been included in Brawl. There is no legal issue with the music or the game would never have seen the light of day in the first place. I am sick of not having a real Earthbound stage or music, we had Fourside, but got dumped for an Onett that neither accurately looks like the town nor has the real Onett theme song! And don't get me started on Ness' Final Smash...

 

[Hero.]

What does everyone think about new stages? I think Wuhu Island could be a new stage seeing as it was in Wii Fit Wii Sports resort and most likely in Wii Fit Plus. I can't really think of any harzards to add to it so I gues it'll be a neutral stage.

 

[Big-Cat]

Oh, and I agree with KumaOso about the hurtboxes of alts. If a character's body shape is so different from the original character that their hurtboxes would be noticably fudged, then they shouldn't be an alt in the first place.

Well, that was not the point I was trying to make. I should've mentioned that the inverse I was said can probably be applied. For example, a character with a large hat would not be affected by an attack that hits the hat. Nonetheless, the hitboxes shouldn't be changed when it comes to alt. characters.

 

[Starphoenix]

Well, that was not the point I was trying to make. I should've mentioned that the inverse I was said can probably be applied. For example, a character with a large hat would not be affected by an attack that hits the hat. Nonetheless, the hitboxes shouldn't be changed when it comes to alt. characters.

Now if a characters hitbox is the same, that does not mean it cannot have different properties correct?

 

[Wizzerd]

the inverse I was said

Engrish much?

Anyway, potential alts are supposed to have similar body shapes anyway, so it's easy enough to give them the same hurtbox or give them a slightly different one without too much trouble.

 

[Big-Cat]

Now if a characters hitbox is the same, that does not mean it cannot have different properties correct?

Can you clarify that? Are you asking that their damage boxes are altered? If that's the case, I don't know as I can't support it with predecessors from other games as I have with others.

Or are you asking whether or not the attacks can have different properties like fire or electric?

 

[Starphoenix]

Can you clarify that? Are you asking that their damage boxes are altered? If that's the case, I don't know as I can't support it with predecessors from other games as I have with others.

Yes, sort of like alteration in the sense of making said character's attacks "heavier". I have little knowledge on programming so I am simply asking questions.

 

[Pieman0920]

But Ike is shaped more Like Ganon, while BK is shaped more like Bowser. At the very least, BK is much wider thank Ike, even if they are the same Height. And as for the teleportation, itwould be kind of lame.

Huh? I'd think BK would be Ganondorf, with Ike being Ike, if such a analogy were to be used. Ina ny case, I really don't think its that much of a size difference, and the BK can be scaled down. Alternativley, Ike can actually have his apperance updated to that of his FE10 incarnation, instead of FE9.

 

[StinkomanFan]

Who's BK? Burger King? Brawl Kong? Bald Krown?

 

[ShinoandtheBallonFighter]

...If you took the time to read the conversation you would know it stands for Black Knight.

And I have had time to think on it, and Black Knight would make a better Alt...IF the damage and weight could eb altered slightly.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I don't want the BK I first supported him but change my mind since like I've said before they may have the means to not be a clone but if they have a big enough chance like BK they will most likely end up a clone.

 

[rockem7]

I think that Ike deserves some sort of ranged attack, since in FE9 and FE10 (The games that Ike was in), he used Ragnell in both, and does in Brawl. Now, in FE9 and FE10, Ike had a ranged attack that shot out some sort of slash. It kind of made me mad to see that he didn't have that in Brawl, and it should for sure be added in the next smash.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I think that Ike deserves some sort of ranged attack, since in FE9 and FE10 (The games that Ike was in), he used Ragnell in both, and does in Brawl. Now, in FE9 and FE10, Ike had a ranged attack that shot out some sort of slash. It kind of made me mad to see that he didn't have that in Brawl, and it should for sure be added in the next smash.

I agree he should have had it but I like Ike the way he is and he probably won't get changed.


What happened to the conversation it like died

 

[BBQTV]

im back what did i miss?

 

[Paper Mario Master]

im back what did i miss?

Nothin really they were just talkin about if the Black Knight should be in or not I say no.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I don't think Zelgius would make a very good candidate... Try a new lord, Lyn, or Micaiah. And please do NOT start another FE argument.

 

[BBQTV]

We talking SSB or Disgaea?
Hes' only popular with the otaku crowd. I don't think Sakurai would care.
And he gets a cameo in every sony srpg out there. At this rate hes gonna cameo everything eventually.

im just kidding i dont think sakurai even knows who laharl is but its funny to see him make cameos in so many games and what about [HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA IM A FREAKING OVERLORD YOU IDIOT THE STRONGEST ONE IN THE ENTIRE COSMOS] do you know who says that?

 

[BBQTV]

Nothin really they were just talkin about if the Black Knight should be in or not I say no.

black knight hmmmm he does look cool but he would be the slowest character in the world im sorry hes just not going in [double post whops]

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I don't think Zelgius would make a very good candidate... Try a new lord, Lyn, or Micaiah. And please do NOT start another FE argument.

Agreed on every point of this post.

 

[StinkomanFan]

Who else thinks another Warioware representative would be nice?

 

[BBQTV]

do NOT start another FE argument.

listen to this person

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Who else thinks another Warioware representative?

Not sure how likely that is, but if it happens, then I hope for Kat & Ana.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Who else thinks another Warioware representative would be nice?

Not WarioWare should be Captain Syrup, she was in the latest game and hasn't she been in the games for a while? I'd want her.

 

[BBQTV]

to be playable i haven't played but maybe i should

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

I have an idea for Ganondorf's new Down Special (I know this isn't MYM, but we're also talking about SSB4, aren't we?): throws his sword forward while on ground, and while in the air, throws it downward.

 

[StinkomanFan]

I'm not sure.... Isn't that the same as Toon Link's DAir?

 

[BBQTV]

no because he throws it

 

[Paper Mario Master]

I have an idea for Ganondorf's new Down Special (I know this isn't MYM, but we're also talking about SSB4, aren't we?): throws his sword forward while on ground, and while in the air, throws it downward.

Meh. Reynolds12307 on Youtube has a nice way to incorporate his sword into the moveset like he pulls out his sword as a B Down and you have a dif moveset w/ a sword. I still don't want him to have a sword, magic plus there's always TG

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

And maybe Ganon's Up Special could be that he jumps up high, grabs the first opponent in his path, and after reaching high enough, he does a landing with the opponent in a method similar to the Flame Choke's.

And Ganon doesn't need a sword-moveset, but he can use his sword for one Special.

 

[StinkomanFan]

Captain Falcon already took the "Grab 'em while in the air" things and as Sakurai stated he doesn't really like clones....

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Captain Falcon already took the "Grab 'em while in the air" things and as Sakurai stated he doesn't really like clones....

But my idea is different.

 

[Paper Mario Master]

And maybe Ganon's Up Special could be that he jumps up high, grabs the first opponent in his path, and after reaching high enough, he does a landing with the opponent in a method similar to the Flame Choke's.

And Ganon doesn't need a sword-moveset, but he can use it for one Special.

NO landing B^. I like Ganon the way he is maybe he could have somethin similar to his kick but with a sword

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

NO landing B^. I like Ganon the way he is maybe he could have somethin similar to his kick but with a sword

Got any better ideas?

 

[BG3]

Ganon should be able to float like Peach because I'm pretty sure he could do this in Zelda games. This would fix his recovery problem a little bit.

 

[Mario the Jumpman]

Ganon should be able to float like Peach because I'm pretty sure he could do this in Zelda games. This would fix his recovery problem a little bit.

Cool!:bigthumbu

 

[Paper Mario Master]

Got any better ideas?

Actually I do, but wait do mean for a sword move or a more decloned ganon?

I have DeCloned ganon idea, give him his energy balls from OoT that sre auto-release like the punch, like he does the punch motion but a little shorter and at the end of charging he does a weaker punch and an energy ball goes out like an aura sphere, kinda.

I say all of his other B moves are OK.

and no peachy floaty stuff