Official Official LINK VIDEO Thread

Cherished Doll · Oct 27, 2006

Hello! My Name is Emily also known as Doll666, I took this Thread to Update it and make it easy for others to View Videos. I will Collapse everything that was previously put on this First post(for anyone who would like to see it). I will be putting the Videos in order by Character.

ENJOY YOUR THREAD FELLOW LINK MAINS! <3

FOX

Skler vs Vent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phy12xg3zKU

Pikachu

Rich vs TM25 Doron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaIBIIoq0Dk
Skler vs N64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6-Izng-LF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2nxRko6ffk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XBgX3-xUno
HDL vs Axe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iusS3Lb5Pw

IC

Rafa vs Spiritdragon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dwgmQ97e34
J666 vs Fly Amanita
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qThg7PNPwNw&feature=plcp

Jiggs

J666 vs Gsub
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EALTrZgwW5U&feature=plcp
HDL vs Hungrybox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ORNjJsuR4o

SHEIK

Fabian vs Fofo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prCzH0G3KWw
Lime vs Fred
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmycLgEUpek
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwumwLtSqU
bEst vs Coco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW8Lo9yjaJ0
Germ vs HugS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7SM0uAP-IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nr9NM8C3qJM

DOC :drmario:

4Eyez vs game
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fSi_ekYD8AI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=prSkKrgeIfw
HDL vs Boss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PeBDootSe4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qECgym4m2I
Germ vs Shroomed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAy77GHWGSI

Y.LINK

Skler vs Pine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aVB0R4PKrk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGMea4V6auM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULMbbx2N50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_TRHW5Y1rg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulColoCu2GA
Lime vs Monk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTyzD6yAO6k
Germ vs Shroomed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY5V4SASgMs

Roy

Skler vs Darc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FHLZLoQ3I8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwC50UFJGsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWXi4xLMI7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw2lPg8TCQs
Geki vs Tank
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UfWVvLGwGM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=666h_q448wk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmdGHpDlJAg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Rv4exHFDI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-anOnKP65xo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_51AUSpxNbQ

Link

J666 vs Eddy Mexico
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd1DPHqZw5s&feature=plcp

Mr. Game & Watch

Skler vs Darc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huUl2KPYYao
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN66HxOd-Vs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OE9QNDoDl8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_GrtMigcfw

DK

Deva

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMyXkJlSks8 Deva(Link) vs Chip(Fox) DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkWdx1Acypc Deva(Link) vs Chip(Fox) PS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjfC7OmoXlM Deva(Link) vs Chip(Sheik) DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtp88wmCR3c Deva(Link) vs Chip(Sheik) FoD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KnmisO112g Deva(Link) vs Chip(Falco) PS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7KntgG0890 Deva(Link) vs Chip(Falco) FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsxD4mwMYL8 Deva(Link) vs Chip(Falco) YS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtfAOMLhM6E Deva(Link) vs Chip(Marth) PS
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr5Lhg5zxOQ -Deva(Link) vs Ratking(Fox) DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKY-chQSUcU -Deva(Link) vs Ratking(Fox) BF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgeJnS4FkMU -Deva(Link) vs Ratking(Fox) PS
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWv_9CkKVvM -Deva(Link) vs SlyD(Sheik) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7hGo7z5KEY -Deva(Link) vs SlyD(Sheik) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dqQOZNu2dY -Deva(Link) vs SlyD(Sheik) 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIzxi1SSGPM -Deva(Link) vs Eggz(Falco)1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNQoie0Tf5U -Deva(Link) vs Eggz(Falco)2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mas11IjMIZ8 -Deva(Link) vs Eggz(Falco)3
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJybhKABjGM - Deva(Link) vs Chip(Y.Link) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDLitdXg6E8 - Deva(Link) vs Chip(Y.Link) 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hS9tjqVapn4 - Deva(Link) vs Chip(Y.Link) 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0UxmNMRXT4 - Deva(Link) vs Chip(Y.Link)4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1tljhvb6EA - FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExUfNU_7tnQ - PS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ62BEyv1lQ - YS

Watch the end of this match if you want to see the luckiest Peach in the world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBuwzKA4boE

Watch the end of this match if you want to see what I did to the luckiest Peach in the world after that match.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4824711860989880403&hl=en
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j67I8QdPC6Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy2GZ7je9K4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlqhGlBqvK0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0k1Wur556A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZQ2t...e=user&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xC-_...e=user&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qly3f...e=user&search=

Azen and Trevyn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joVYBEoiCtA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul6abz4uMAg

Skler
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aVB0R4PKrk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGMea4V6auM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GULMbbx2N50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_TRHW5Y1rg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulColoCu2GA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FHLZLoQ3I8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwC50UFJGsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWXi4xLMI7A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw2lPg8TCQs

The GERM
Match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ2UhLdMx24
Match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgu2YdWiWvs
Match 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vNbuFbOmPjs

Match 1: effed up at the end, but very good match.
Match 2: Dreamland's a good stage for spacing against Falcon, close match.
Match 3: I rushed it midway and got handed but got some good combos in.

Here's some more of my Link vs. Zelgadis's space animals.

Match 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_AWUquEDZY
Match 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5rP1he4bfs
Match 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3067eNwy-8

Match 1: fist time losing to Zel's Falco with Link in tournament, I missed a lot of oppurtunities to kill during the last stock and payed for it, didn't see the suicide spike coming either....
Match 2: Suicided but still won, managed to get a quick kill in, that's what saved me. Full jump sex kick vs. fast fallers = too good.
Match 3: I knew he would counter this stage for the quick up air kills. Up throw up air = gayest sh** in the world, love you Trebor.

Link226
http://youtube.com/watch?v=82OXVlx-0cM -4eyez(Link) vs Jash(Y.Link)1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YSMe6ON8-g8 -4eyez(Link) vs Jash(Y.Link)2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AyDwWdnsD3E -4eyez(Link) vs Jash(Y.Link)3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fSi_ekYD8AI -4eyez(Link) vs Game(Doc) 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=prSkKrgeIfw -4eyez(Link) vs Game(Doc) 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6zlM7cZgZNw -4eyez(Link) vs Game(Peach)
4Eyez (LINK) VS. Jash (Y.Link) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0xSnnpp6u4
4Eyez (Link) VS. Dark.Pch (Peach) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSMdgvARG74
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) Corneria http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiIdJgMqu04
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) Battlefield http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m11X2xzpGpw
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) Dreamland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoSIvap7Uxk
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) Corneria http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZEmFWNmSvM
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) FOD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMC3xloTuoI
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) FOD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbiZ1Kf-wo0
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) FD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0TjNG9u-A
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) YS http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyOeHTq6qU0
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) Dreamland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8GCW2IErwI
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) FD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yp34HcXmnw
Jash (Young Link) vs 4eyez (Link) Dreamland http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urHd6SX9_bY

Aquarius
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8564252145633763364&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1456794417889547569

Fabianmo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=NMR4gPuTpkA
http://youtube.com/watch?v=prCzH0G3KWw

Roy-san
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6ziSkxNfwY

Ancientevil11
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=100708

Sir Lightning Hat (SLH)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=sQ0V1b3atXI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_Dl6NYpHjGg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=48T2Jqu6Xa8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=iQp7_kTnaBk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8t-c0QxRgfc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=C2jXuo51vcw
Diemonds(Rich)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=FaIBIIoq0Dk

EL Rafa
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7dwgmQ97e34

MASAHIROx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4IX781kjwc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctKE7DzSvG4

KratosAurion192
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUo33tgOCoA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrkXeGpC5Rw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znvbrsfDdJ4

tedou5184
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-UfWVvLGwGM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=666h_q448wk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmdGHpDlJAg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Rv4exHFDI
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-anOnKP65xo
http://youtube.com/watch?v=_51AUSpxNbQ

GTRocksUrSocks

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8762772187129714372
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6212167346459425618

kage921

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c24EisYhnAI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxiQPNidmV4

NES n00b

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ulMxBVmw0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfxtq_bsC0U

lime backwards

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5b3iqidvsbI# -Lime(Link) vs big_freddy(Y.Link)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=RmycLgEUpek -Lime(Link) vs freddy(Samus) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwwumwLtSqULime(Link) vs freddy(Samus) 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bTyzD6yAO6k - Lime(Link) vs Monk/Honkey/Bannana(Mario)

bEst^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW8Lo9yjaJ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gLK4Br1j-w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwPhnWwLg5g

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LINK PROS

By Skler

In order to be listed under the Link Pros section you must meet at least one of the following criteria:
-Be ranked in a state with some of the more competetive smash scenes, aka Nor Cal, So Cal, NY, NJ, WA, FL, TX, etc. using Link as your main
-Have placed notably well at a Major Smash Tournament using Link
-By a general consensus are considered to be a pro by other Pros and well known players alike.

The GERM

Biography: By Deva and Skler

Likely the most well known Link player in the US and possibly the world. He became known for his fast paced style of play that many even now consider "the Germ style" due to the many shffls and wave dashes used to make Link seem to be a flashy character when by most standards he is very slow. Along with his combo video, "The Hylian Nightmare," He gained fame quickly and is adored by link fans accross the globe. He is ranked in the top ten in Northern California and has recently placed in the top 30 at OC3 and SCC.

Germ vs Zhu (Fox) 2
Germ vs DSF (Shiek)
Germ vs Silent Spectre (Falcon)1
Germ vs Silent Spectre 2
Germ vs Silent Spectre 3
Germ vs Zelgadis (Falco)
Germ vs Zelgadis (Fox) 1
Germ vs Zelgadis (Fox) 2

Trevyn/ Zarelid/ Thot

Biography: By Deva

Though not as well known as the Germ, Trevyn is still one of the greatest Link players of all time. Like the Germ, he still plays Link, though for a few years they both strayed from Link for other high tier characters. Amazingly, he placed in the top 20 at SCC using only LInk, even outplacing the Germ. He is currenty ranked in the top 20 in Southern California.

Trevyn vs Champ 2 matches

Azen

Biography: By Deva

One of the original pioneers of Links current playstyle and metagame, Azen is a Link veteran everyone should learn from. He had numerous high tournament placings with Link and it is mentioned that Link could even be considered his main at some point in time. Sadly, Azen cared more about tournament placings than who he won with and hasn't used Link for the past few years. He still has a formidable Link, however, as he proved recently at VLS.

Azen vs Chu Dat (Y.Link)
Azen vs Chillin(Fox)
Azen vs Vidjo Peach

Skler

Biography: By Deva

A relatively new Link Player to join the ranks of Link Pros, though no less than the others. Unlike the Germ, Skler uses a style that focuses much less on the technical aspects of Link and much more on his spacing and metagame. He currently has the highest placing of a player using Link at a major Tournament placing 13th at VLS using only Link.

VLS 2 Crews (Skler vs Gfab, Stew and Mattdotzeb)
Skler vs PC Chris(Marth)

Skler vs Unknown force (Shiek)

Deva

Biography: By Chip

Like Skler, Deva is relatively new to the ranks of Link Pros. He playes a style very similar to Skler though it focuses a bit more on the technical aspect. He gained most of his fame through a match he recorded with Ratking's Fox which closely resembles a match where the Germ was 4 stocked by Isaiah. In Deva's match, however, he wins the match being down 3 stock. Deva has not been able to attend any major tournaments and instead competes with players from Washington, Oregon, and Canada. He is currently ranked in the top 10 in Washington. Deva has some new videos up along with his new combo video, Seven Years.

Seven Years Combo Video

Deva(Link) vs Chip(Fox) DL
Deva(Link) vs Chip(Fox) PS

Deva(Link) vs Chip(Sheik) DL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtp88wmCR3c Deva(Link) vs Chip(Sheik) FoD

Deva(Link) vs Chip(Falco) PS
Deva(Link) vs Chip(Falco) FD
Deva(Link) vs Chip(Falco) YS

Deva(Link) vs Chip(Marth) PS

SS4Ricky

Biography: By Skler

This guy is insane at playing Link, no further explanation needed.

SS4Ricky vs G-reg (Falcon)
SS4Ricky vs ECE (Fox)

Aniki

Biography: By Deva

A retired Link Player from Japan who was for the longest time considered the best Link player in the world due to his matches beating Ken, the best player in the world. He used a style that was the complete opposite of the Germ with absolutely no wavedashing. Though the videos are outdated, there is still much that can be learned from his videos.

Aniki vs Masashi (Fox)
Aniki vs Ken (Marth)
Aniki vs Ken Marth 2
Aniki vs Ken Marth 3

Ashtten · Oct 27, 2006

Okay, let me defend myself a little.... I am in no way calling myself even close to pro level but Deva insists that I would do well.
First of this video is a week old and I have picked up on a few more advanced moves, I just learned of the advanced moves about a month ago and have been working on them since. I know I am slow and use alot of nOOb moves but try to remember this is only after one month knowing about shffle, wave dodge, and the spike. It took me along time to learn how to short-hop consistantly but I am using it alot now. So as you can tell alot of my attacks are slow and not well timed.
Second, is that Fox has the most horrible time shffling Link because no matter how well timed mine is if Link shffles back I get beaten in priority. So my shffling, though I am getting it down, is rather useles oin this case.
Third is that I use the attacks shown because they do work on Deva while other advanced attacks I am just too sloppy with. So my timing is good on the nOOb moves but not so great on the advanced moves, but I realy need to incorporate some of the advanced techs into my playing style.

All that I ask is do not be too harsh on me, I never said I was good- ever. This is the first month I have known about thses techniques and I do not have 24 hour accesst to a Game Cube so training is a slow process for me. -Thanks, Ashtten

Skler · Oct 27, 2006

IMO you guys are fine for your join dates. Really, just a few months and you guys are getting a hang of advanced techs (fox will take a longer time to get good with, but once you get used to advanced techs you will start winning a lot), it took me a **** long time to get used to it and I'm still not all that great.

SexyDoodles · Oct 28, 2006

Hey don't sweat it. both of you just need to play more. you'll get better. anyway.

Deva, you need to work on shuffling more! don't be afraid to throw in some fairs and bairs and uairs, they're pretty good. oh, and the thing that i think you should work on the most is your projectiles. gotta start using that boomerang. bombs are great too. both are awesome for combo set-ups and stage control. Also, i thought that there was a little too much rolling. there are other options, such as jumping or upBing out of your shield. there were times where you could've used the spin to KO the Fox, but used like a downsmash or a jab instead. especially when the fox is recovering, all those missed sweetspots could have been spin spikes. upB is a good edge guard against the space animals, but if you don't want to use that, you could always jump off and nair. edgeguarding with fsmash usually doesn't work. and also, link can combo the space animals very well, you should work on em! uthrow and dsmash are nice set-ups.

so yeah, shuffl, spam projectiles, and work on your combos and edgeguarding. keep playing, you'll get better! =)

EDIT: hmm, yeah you did use the sh boomerang pretty well in the first match. guess what i wanted to see were more bombs. maybe it's just me, but I like em a lot.they really help in approach. but, if it work for you, then i guess you could stick with it. =p

Deva · Oct 28, 2006

Heh, thanks sexyDoodles. I probably should have mentioned this but a vid against ashurmon probably isn't the best representation of how I play Link. It's more of how I play someone whose style I know like the back of my hand. Ashurmon and I practice too often together. The style you saw was the style that works against him. Not the style I use against people I don;t know. I almost always use the tips you gave on other players. I need to get more vids up to show you what I mean. I recently found an extremely talented Sheik player. I'll try to get a vid of me playing him. I think you'll see I play more like you say I should. This is all I could put together at the moment. Thanks for the tips though. You really do know what your talking about.

Note: I thought I used the short hop boomerang quite frequently in the first match.

Ashtten · Oct 31, 2006

Everyone I have some breakthough news... I have finally got the wavedodge down! I will be great in a couple weeks then we can make a new movie and show it off! :cool:

-Ashtten

tHrilla` · Nov 1, 2006

Ashurmon said:
Everyone I have some breakthough news... I have finally got the wavedodge down! I will be great in a couple weeks then we can make a new movie and show it off!
-Ashtten

now when you say wavedodge, are you referring to performing the side-step while wavedasing, or just a normal wavedash? i assume the latter is what you mean.

Deva · Nov 1, 2006

He ment wave dash

I found a great Sheik player (SlyD) and an awsome Peach player (Brdy). I'll try to post some vids against them, I play much better when against really skilled players. Like I said, I don't really have a drive to win against ashurmon.

Keyblade Master Sora · Nov 2, 2006

I havet watched the video's cant cause at school blocked BUT, link is hardest character to master just give him time he is a slow character but that isnt bad. He is made to control the stage. Just understand your projectiles but dont jsut rely on them best info for ya

tHrilla` · Nov 3, 2006

Deva said:
The rest of the match (on my part) consists of shffling, wave dashing, wave landing, side stepping, short hopping and the short hop boomerang, along with the occasional bomb landing, limited projectile spamming, and ledge teching. Did you even notice the non charge bow combo at 2:50? I've got to say your response has caused me to thoroughly analyze my video and I realize that my playing really isn't that bad, or at least not as bad as you say.

Seriously, you are an amazing player to do well against pros. Why then did you totally make up that response? I have solid evidence against your claims. All I ask is that you watch the vids and give an honest opinion.

i viewed the first video, and it was just as i expected. you're not as good as you claim to be; in fact, i wouldn't even consider you a decent link. you may know how to shffl and wave dash--and even those you didn't execute well--but you have no idea when to use them. you were randomly wave-landing/wave-dashing in situations that served no real purpose, other than to maybe prove that you can do them. furthermore, your edge-guarding game was seriously lacking. not once did i see you jump off the stage in an attempt to intercept his recovering fox with a nair, or anything for that matter; this is usually an obvious sign that someone lacks experience or skill. all i remember you doing, for the most part, was covering the edge and attempting to punish with up-b, which is easily avoidable by sweet-spotting.

although there's a lot more i should say, i'll stop here. maybe i'll post more later

Deva · Nov 3, 2006

tHrilla` said:
i viewed the first video, and it was just as i expected. you're not as good as you claim to be; in fact, i wouldn't even consider you a decent link. you may know how to shffl and wave dash--and even those you didn't execute well--but you have no idea when to use them. you were randomly wave-landing/wave-dashing in situations that served no real purpose, other than to maybe prove that you can do them. furthermore, your edge-guarding game was seriously lacking. not once did i see you jump off the stage in an attempt to intercept his recovering fox with a nair, or anything for that matter; this is usually an obvious sign that someone lacks experience or skill. all i remember you doing, for the most part, was covering the edge and attempting to punish with up-b, which is easily avoidable by sweet-spotting.

although there's a lot more i should say, i'll stop here. maybe i'll post more later

sigh...

Like I said, Ashurmon and I have trained often together, perhaps too often. The reason you found certain wave dashes/ shffles out of place was because they were more mind games than anything else. Ashurmon knows my style so well that I have to execute moves and timings that may seem completely off. I agree that this is a terrible viewing of my skill. I mentioned I had found two very skilled players in the Spokane area. SlyD(Sheik) and Brdy(Peach). I will try to get vids against them up soon. You will then be able to see my actual skill instead of the sensless mind games posted here. I really shouldn't have posted these vids. I just wanted to get something up and this was all I had. Really, all they did do was prove that I know how to wave dash and shffle. :laugh:

You'll have to trust me, but I promise the vids I will be putting up will be a very good representation of my skill. Until then, to others posting on this thread, feel free to keep posting, though remember these vids were just something I was able to put together on short notice and really arren't worth posting comments on. If you wait about a month, I will make sure to get some nice vids on this thread

tHrilla` · Nov 3, 2006

Deva said:
sigh... Like I said, Ashurmon and I have trained often together, perhaps too often. The reason you found certain wave dashes/ shffles out of place was because they were more mind games than anything else. Ashurmon knows my style so well that I have to execute moves and timings that may seem completely off. I agree that this is a terrible viewing of my skill. I mentioned I had found two very skilled players in the Spokane area. SlyD(Sheik) and Brdy(Peach). I will try to get vids against them up soon. You will then be able to see my actual skill instead of the sensless mind games posted here. I really shouldn't have posted these vids. I just wanted to get something up and this was all I had. Really, all they did do was prove that I know how to wave dash and shffle. You'll have to trust me, but I promise the vids I will be putting up will be a very good representation of my skill. Until then, to others posting on this thread, feel free to keep posting, though remember these vids were just something I was able to put together on short notice and really arren't worth posting comments on. If you wait about a month, I will make sure to get some nice vids on this thread

ok, i understand some of your arguments, but some of them i don't. for example, i've been training a fox player almost on a daily basis for about a year now, and we know each others style well. however, since i'm able to anticipate his moves with relative ease, our fights usually look as if they were meticulously choreographed beforehand even though i 3-stock him 90% of the time. you and ashurmon, however, almost seem foreign to one another, which is unusual considering how often you train with him. by they way, how long have you been training with him? out of curiosity, how long have you known about smash boards?

i would add some advice concerning what i think you need to work on to improve, but you specifically stated you weren't looking for tips--my hands hurt from too much smash to even want to type anymore anyway.

W.Jr · Nov 3, 2006

GGGGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Link-NY · Nov 3, 2006

Keyblade Master Sora said:
I havet watched the video's cant cause at school blocked BUT, link is hardest character to master just give him time he is a slow character but that isnt bad. He is made to control the stage. Just understand your projectiles but dont jsut rely on them best info for ya

Link is no where near the hardest character to master =x

t3heford · Nov 3, 2006

use your ^B more. Many times, especially if the fox is recovering, you could have killed him with it. It is basically a spike if they hit you while they're in the air.

demonsbane105 · Nov 3, 2006

th3ford is right. except, you just have to strike with the 2nd-4th slash of the spinswing (upB) move. the first swing knocks them diagonally upwards.

NJ'zFinest · Nov 3, 2006

Take a look at these vids:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joVYBEoiCtA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul6abz4uMAg

Watching people playing as Link such as Trevyn and Azen greatly improved my playing style.
Link (in my opinion) is one of those characters where you "have" to look at numerous players to become much better and develop solid playing style.

Keep at it man

Link-NY · Nov 3, 2006

Azens Link is amazing X_X

tHrilla` · Nov 3, 2006

t3heford said:
use your ^B more. Many times, especially if the fox is recovering, you could have killed him with it. It is basically a spike if they hit you while they're in the air.

use up-b more? are you serious? that's nonsense and only works on nubs.

while recovering from below ledge level, anybody who is half-decent can easily avoid link's spin attack by sweet-spotting the edge. from there, link's opponent can quickly ledge-hop into an aerial attack and hit him before he can defend himself. the spin attack is just too laggy and really leaves link wide open for punishment; use it less often and more wisely. for instance, you may want to try implementing his bomb-drop over the edge to disrupt your enemy's rhythm and lessen his chances of grabbing the sweet-spot, then proceed accordingly. if the dropped bomb hits, he'll(fox) most likely be forced to use his firefox again, thus increasing the chances that he'll make a mistake, hopefully by raising too high above the ledge. if he only raises barely an inch above the stage so that the spin attack just misses, then his f-tilt/d-tilt would work nicely instead. *keep in mind im only referring to one specific situation; there are so many different interchangeable variables to consider before making your decision.

furthermore, it's really important that a link user learn how to spin-attack straight out of a shield. also, avoid using it on somebody with a low %; most characters will recover and be able to retaliate before you can.

while grounded, the spin attacks ending animation results in a pseudo-spike when it hits an enemy. its not a matter of where the contact is made, but rather a matter of when it is made.

cb_marth · Nov 3, 2006

Link-NY said:
Azens Link is amazing X_X

Azen is always amazing.

Deva · Nov 5, 2006

Wow, thanks for all the support. Great news though, there will be a fairly large Eastern Washington Tourney coming up on the eleventh. The matches will be recorded so I will have some much nicer vids for you to critique.

tHrilla` said:
ok, i understand some of your arguments, but some of them i don't. for example, i've been training a fox player almost on a daily basis for about a year now, and we know each others style well. however, since i'm able to anticipate his moves with relative ease, our fights usually look as if they were meticulously choreographed beforehand even though i 3-stock him 90% of the time.

This sounds vaguely familiar.....oh yeah, it's basically how the matches between Ash and I turn out 90% of the time. They seem like the same basic fight over and over, as if it were coreographed. Remember, though, this is the first vids I have put together. As soon as the camera started recording, I thought,"Do I really want everyone to see the same lame coreographical fights we have each day, or maybe something new. What if I changed up my style for these vids?" Obviously, big mistake. I made a lovely portrayal of the worst Link fighting style. I apologize to everyone on this thread for such horrible videos and what a low light of skill level I was shown in. Please, continue your disscussion on Link strategies, though I would appreciate it if you would disregard the videos for about a week till the tourney. Feel free, however, to use the videos of representations of what not to do with link. :chuckle:

tHrilla` said:
you and ashurmon, however, almost seem foreign to one another, which is unusual considering how often you train with him. by they way, how long have you been training with him? out of curiosity, how long have you known about smash boards?

We have trained on and off for the past three years. In the past three months, however, we have trained every morning for one or two hours. Really, the bulk of my training has come from training with my younger brother for the past six years. He uses Y. Link :laugh:

As far as Smash boards, I think its only been about two months...or less. Don't get me wrong, I have been searching other smash web sites for the past five or six years on new strategies etc. and have also been watching vids of the pros on youtube for the past two to three years. It's strange, but I didn't find out about this site till now.

I did meet a very good Peach player recently (Brdy) who has been to a significant number of tournaments. He mentioned that he did play Isaiah once at a TANG and did take a stock off him, which I think must be worth some credibility. After we had been playing for sometime, our matches turned out to be fairly even. He then stated," You know, I haven't seen you at any of the major tourneys in Washington." I then replied, " That's because I haven't been to any." His response was basically,"How the **** did you get so good without playing at tournaments?!!" I am hoping to get a vid of me against him at the tourney, our matches are awsome.

tHrilla` said:
i would add some advice concerning what i think you need to work on to improve, but you specifically stated you weren't looking for tips--my hands hurt from too much smash to even want to type anymore anyway.

The reason I wasn't looking for tips is because My Link style is pretty solid at this point, I really don't want to mess with it. Yes, I know the vids portray me as a total n00b. I already gave my explanation for that, however. I'm sure you have some wonderful ideas about Link's strategies. Just wait about a week till the tourny vids and then let me know if you still think I need those tips.

tHrilla` · Nov 5, 2006

Deva said:
The reason I wasn't looking for tips is because My Link style is pretty solid at this point, I really don't want to mess with it. Yes, I know the vids portray me as a total n00b. I already gave my explanation for that, however. I'm sure you have some wonderful ideas about Link's strategies. Just wait about a week till the tourny vids and then let me know if you still think I need those tips.

everybody needs advice from time to time; there's always room to improve.

Deva · Nov 5, 2006

I totally agree, that's why I was asking for comments and not tips. I should have been clearer. I meant I wanted comments on what people thought of my Link, though I would now prefer if people waited till after the Tourney vids. There is always room for improvement. When I said I wasn't looking for tips, and again I should have been more clear, I meant I wasn't looking for tips on my style of Link play. On another thread this video was on, someone said I need to play Link faster. I, myself, wouldn't want to play any faster or I would lose some of my responsive strategies I rely so heavily on. Many Link users post vids and ask for tips because they really don't have a set strategy and would like advice from others. When you questioned my style or the uselessness thereof, I just wanted to explain that it wasn't my true style and that I would appreciate it if you would wait till after the tourney vids. My Link isn't perfect. As you said, there is always room for improvement. I wold very much look forward to any comments you would have on specific moves that you think would be more useful. I should have the vids up in a week so you may do so.

tHrilla` · Nov 6, 2006

understood. i'll wait for the new vids to make any further comments. as i said before, i can write a freaking hundred+ paged book concerning all the situational aspects and different angles of decision-making a link user may want to consider. nevertheless, knowledge alone isn't enough to make a difference , but rather it's the experience you have testing your knowledge that matters.

mkmelee · Nov 10, 2006

5 years? You're lucky that you came across these boards, and escaped utter humiliation. You have a long way to go.

TheBuzzSaw · Nov 10, 2006

Maybe later I will post a more in-depth review, but for now I just want to mention what stuck out the most in my mind: You roll entirely too much. You wavedashed at the most worthless moments. You are quite lucky the Fox player did not know how to punish your excess rolling.

Don't forget that there is a 1v1 Video forum for posting these kind of matches. They technically do not belong here in the character specific forums. >_<

Deva · Nov 11, 2006

Buzz said:
Maybe later I will post a more in-depth review, but for now I just want to mention what stuck out the most in my mind: You roll entirely too much. You wavedashed at the most worthless moments. You are quite lucky the Fox player did not know how to punish your excess rolling.

Don't forget that there is a 1v1 Video forum for posting these kind of matches. They technically do not belong here in the character specific forums. >_<

Yeah, like I said wait a couple more days for the new vids. Also, I've seen quite a few vids posted here so I would appreciate it if you would mention it to them as well.

SPAWN · Nov 11, 2006

Those were pretty good...

Deva · Nov 12, 2006

Hey Buzz, I ended up taking first in that tourney I was talking about. I'll try to get vids up tomarrow. By the way, I only used Link.

NJzFinest · Nov 12, 2006

Deva, seriously, you can stop bragging as if you done something amazing. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Also, say if after all of this bragging....the videos aren't good....what will our fellow posters think of you now? I mean, it's not like you won a major tourney. hit0 bragged about being the 5th best in his country, but your bragging about winning one local tourney...no one does that lol.

edit:

*my 39th Hundredth post*

SPAWN · Nov 12, 2006

^^ =O. +Rep for NJz...that is once I get my +repping abilities back. Which should hopefully be soon.

Aiser · Nov 12, 2006

I love you nj, can you have my man babies?

Deva · Nov 12, 2006

NJzFinest said:
Deva, seriously, you can stop bragging as if you done something amazing. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Also, say if after all of this bragging....the videos aren't good....what will our fellow posters think of you now? I mean, it's not like you won a major tourney. hit0 bragged about being the 5th best in his country, but your bragging about winning one local tourney...no one does that lol.

edit:

*my 39th Hundredth post*

Sheesh, I'm not bragging. I was just mentioning the note that I won a tourney on the main threads I post on since some players, such as you, have been overly critical of how I play. I'm just trying to show I don't totally suck, as you seem to keep inferring.

hit0 · Nov 12, 2006

Deva said:
Sheesh, I'm not bragging. I was just mentioning the note that I won a tourney on the main threads I post on since some players, such as you, have been overly critical of how I play. I'm just trying to show I don't totally suck, as you seem to keep inferring.

Ya, i was bragging, i was pretty proud of myself that week!

hit0 · Nov 12, 2006

NJzFinest said:
Deva, seriously, you can stop bragging as if you done something amazing. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Also, say if after all of this bragging....the videos aren't good....what will our fellow posters think of you now? I mean, it's not like you won a major tourney. hit0 bragged about being the 5th best in his country, but your bragging about winning one local tourney...no one does that lol.

edit:

*my 39th Hundredth post*

Hey, cmon, i feel ya man! But let's all be happy for DEVA!, i mean...all of his training really paid off, and i'm guessing that this was a pretty big tourney (even though it was local) with a lot of participants...I for one am happy for you DEVA, we all start out that way, hopefully you'll work your way up to really big tourneys! The more Link players winning in tournies the better.

NJzFinest · Nov 12, 2006

hit0 said:
i mean...all of his training really paid off, and i'm guessing that this was a pretty big tourney (even though it was local) with a lot of participants...

He won a tourney where only 15 players attended

SLH · Nov 12, 2006

I got 2nd in a tournament with 25ish people.

^ LOL NJ, I should + rep you just for the SC2 animation in your thread. ^_^

Deva · Nov 12, 2006

NJzFinest said:
He won a tourney where only 15 players attended

I wouldn't quote Peaches on that. I'm trying to think back to the brackets and I remember seeing about five brackets on each side, possibly six, meaning there were at least twenty participants, possibly more. As I said, this tourney wasn't MLG material. I would consider it larger than a local tourney since it was all of Eastern Washington, though I realize Eastern Washington isn't very big in the smash community. I just want to say I'm not trying to brag or even say I am a good Link player. This is in response to those, such as NJ'sFinest, who repeatedly shoot down my opinion with no factual basis other than "you've never been to a major tourney so you don't know what you're talking about you random n00b." SO THERE. I won at the largest tourney I could find within my region and a two hour driving distance. It's not MLG, but I hope it shows that I at least have some experience. I'm just asking for some respect with my opinions. I respect the opinions of all those on this site and especially those who have a large amount of experience in this field, such as Buzz, Nj'sFinest, etc. All I ask for is that same respect in return.

By the way, thanks hit0. All I can say is your awsome. You have been one of the most understanding members on this board I have had the privelage of conversing with. Not only have you been understanding, but even respected my opinion and advice that I gave your video. For that I am very grateful.

Hey NJ, I've always wanted to repeatedly play that SC2 clip. That was freakin hillarious.

NJzFinest · Nov 12, 2006

Deva said:
I would consider it larger than a local tourney since it was all of Eastern Washington, though I realize Eastern Washington isn't very big in the smash community.

Yep, one just one part of Washington, that's a local tourney for ya. Some of the local tourneys I've been to had 30 people from the entire state.

Deva said:
This is in response to those, such as NJ'sFinest, who repeatedly shoot down my opinion with no factual basis other than "you've never been to a major tourney so you don't know what you're talking about you random n00b." SO THERE. I won at the largest tourney I could find within my region and a two hour driving distance.

Umm...ok

Deva said:
It's not MLG, but I hope it shows that I at least have some experience.

True

Deva said:
Hey NJ, I've always wanted to repeatedly play that SC2 clip. That was freakin hillarious.

LINK FTW!!!! yea, Link is amazing in SC

Deva · Nov 12, 2006

^^^Heh, a friend of mine who competes in SC2 always complained that the only reason I could beat his Ivy with Link was because he was a broken character. He mentioned something along the lines of how Link was too short to be hit by his mid horizontal attacks. :laugh:

I guess he was right. I totally wouldn't mind Link being broken in Brawl.

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