Official "I need help with ___"

[tshahi10]

Yes, some are more difficult than others, but theres also.....Game and Watch. I'm about 90 percent certain that all of his aerials are non l-canelable.

I think his dair can be lcanceled, maybe



Oh and all aerials should be lcancelled, though its more crucial for certain char than others
compare ganondorf/sheik

 

[petre]

for game and watch, only his uair cant be l-cancelled. all the others can, just like normal. and yes you want to l-cancel everything. theres no negative to being able to move sooner.

 

[Mr. Sun]

Ah, L-canceling is too difficult.
I guess I'll stick to being a smash n00b, then.

 

[petre]

what? you cant give up that easy!!! play a match, use link, and only use the dair. keep using these same tactics until you get it down. and believe me, you WILL get it down.

 

[Sheikahking]

does anyone have any tips for dash dancing i just cant get the hang of it

 

[Simna ibn Sind]

all aerial A moves can be Lcancelled except GW's nair, bair, and uair and (Y)Link/Samus' grapples

 

[Rapid_Assassin]

does anyone have any tips for dash dancing i just cant get the hang of it

If you play Sheik, her dashdance is twice as fast (and hard to learn) as anyone else's. Try with another character. Remember it's FAST ><><><> on the stick...

 

[HideousBeing]

I'm having trouble perfecting the bomb jump with Link. First, I tend to FF when I try to pull out a bomb. Can you still do it if you FF? Also, should can you be DIing toward the stage as you throw the bomb up? Better yet, is there a page anyone could link me to that will help demonstrate or teach this technique?

 

[-Wolfy-]

I find that if you like, almost do like you would in a smash attack with taking out the momb, so that you have minimal contact with the control stick, then you'll FF less often.

 

[capncone]

It seems like when ever I try to spike someone with Marth's dair, I might meteor smash them, but i just end up falling off the stage because I can't recover fast enough. I usually try to get them when they're even with the stage. Should I stay closer to the stage? What should I do.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

If you should usually try to dAir immediately after a jump. This shoud give you enough time to recover before it's too late. Also, resist jumping too far out after your opponent because Marth's uB isn't that great at recovering horizontally. If you do get too far out, just remember that fB is a great last-ditch move to climbing closer to the stage.

 

[capncone]

OK I'll try it. Thanks.

 

[BUnit]

Hey, I'm trying to get better competitively, but usually when I play against my friends, they like to roll around a lot. I was wondering, what I should do instead, or just rolling around with them and is there anyway to punish them for doing it so much.

 

[HideousBeing]

Hey, I'm trying to get better competitively, but usually when I play against my friends, they like to roll around a lot. I was wondering, what I should do instead, or just rolling around with them and is there anyway to punish them for doing it so much.

It depends who you play. Each character has moves to punish roll spammers. Link, for example can use his dsmash to stop rolls behind him. A lot of characters can use the dsmash to stop rollers. You should learn to wavedash- it's a lot more handy, but it'll take you some practice. The wavedash is the essence of the smasher. You can also wait until they roll behind you, and grab as they come out of the roll.

 

[Sodapop]

Question. Are there any differences between playing this game on the Wii and on the Gamecube? Because Ive been playing it on the Wii and am going to a tourney in a week. I think they're playing it on the GC, so I need to know if theres any difference between the two consoles.

 

[-Wolfy-]

Alot of people tend to roll the same way in the same situations, so you can essentially get used to where they're going to roll so you can fake one way, to get them to roll. You can punish them with projectiles, Fox's shield-****, or all you have to do is get one good grab on them, and just trie and keep them airbound so they can't shield and roll. DONT ROLL WITH THEM. If you follow their movements, you are one step behind them, giving them time to shield grab you right out of your roll.

Question. Are there any differences between playing this game on the Wii and on the Gamecube? Because Ive been playing it on the Wii and am going to a tourney in a week. I think they're playing it on the GC, so I need to know if theres any difference between the two consoles.

I can't tell you for sure if there are any technical differences between lag times or speed, but I can tell you that I have a Wii that i play it on on our tv by the pool, and a cube in my room and I don't notice a difference.

 

[Sodapop]

K, thank you WGWOLVERINE.

 

[darknesszero]

Quick questions about wavedashes:

Does it matter if I use the L button rather than most people who use R? Because I find myself usually able to do wavedashes about 9 out of 10 tries with L as opposed to R.

Also, instead of waveshielding, how do I efficiently execute wavesmashes or any attack/jump/evasive maneuver out of a wavedash?

 

[-Wolfy-]

Still better than wavedashing in that situation (assuming you can already wavedash pretty well) is wave shielding or even wavedashing out of the shield. This way you can either get just outside of their range and attack immediately out of the wave dash, or waveshield till the spacing permits a wavedash out of the shield into an attack.

This was to B-Unit.

Darkness, it is simply a preference thing. I'm right hand dominant and I take alot of of time to practice waveshielding and any other techniques that requires a quick left hand. For wavesmashes, its better to c-stick them than to direc-A them. Luigi is a good example with wavedash to f-smash. I learned it from him and now use it with my other characters.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Is wavedashing still illegal in tournaments? Because I play my friends, and there's this one who pisses and moans when I wavedash out of situations where he should hit me and I counter and hit him. He says "It's not fair because I can't do it, and it's not even legal in tournament play anyway." To this, I usually tell him "So what if you can't do it? Doesn't that just mean I'm better than you? And since when is this casual 1v1 a tournament?" and then he just gets pissed and cries more and I secede from the fight because I'd rather just beat in in Smash than in a verbal arguement.

But if I had the knowledge as to whether or not wavedashing is "Tournament Legal" then I'd have that much on him, and I can just rip him on the fact that I'm better than him. :D

 

[Coen]

Wavedashing has never ever been banned?

Basically, if they whine, just ask them: if it's so good, why don't you use it yourself?

 

[Creo]

Yah why don't you teach them it or tell them to put more practice into it. Wavedash is not illegal to my knowledge because MLG uses it so...it may depend where you are though.

*somewhere above* You don't experience different play on the Wii to Gamecube...it is the same.
*somewhere above again* I WD with L also...whatever your comfortable and better with, do it.

 

[BUnit]

k thanks for the help about rolling, i'll try your tips soon

 

[Creo]

Really take it to consideration. Rolling is good once in a while but a bad habit. Learn to WD, Dash Dance, and other stuff to quickly enhance your play...have you seen the advance technique videos...

 

[darknesszero]

Thanks very much, WGWOLVERINE and Creo. I appreciate the advice!

 

[Creo]

No problem people.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Ok, good. Now I'm just going to rip him to shreds and wavedash my little heart out. Thanks guys. I needed that one.

 

[Creo]

Teach your friends Dyce. If they always suck, your not gonna get better.

Spoiler

if your friends can not WD, then could they at least L-cancel. If they can't, there is only one word I have to say...n00bs!

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

Hahaha too true.
Alright, from this day forth, I'm going to wavedash whenever I want and not care what my friend says. He can cry me a river for all I care.

 

[Creo]

That is the spirit dude...now you are becoming a true smasher!

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

I feel I always was a true Smasher... I'm just too nice of a guy and a pleaser. I like to make everyone happy. That's my tragic flaw. BUT NO MORE!!! (when it comes to Smash that is...)

 

[Creo]

THAT IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!...okay I will settle down. Anyways, in smash, show no mercy...
Anyone n00bs to the site have any other questions for help?

 

[Sodapop]

Thanks for clarifying, Creo. And no, no more.

 

[Creo]

Just watch the advanced technique videos if you want to learn everything.

 

[Red Exodus]

I'm too lazy to check the first post on this thread, but you guys can/should get more specific info at each characters forum in the melee character specific forum you'll find out many-a technique you didn't know the character had and it will immensely improve your game.

 

[-Wolfy-]

Is wavedashing still illegal in tournaments? Because I play my friends, and there's this one who pisses and moans when I wavedash out of situations where he should hit me and I counter and hit him. He says "It's not fair because I can't do it, and it's not even legal in tournament play anyway." To this, I usually tell him "So what if you can't do it? Doesn't that just mean I'm better than you? And since when is this casual 1v1 a tournament?" and then he just gets pissed and cries more and I secede from the fight because I'd rather just beat in in Smash than in a verbal arguement.

But if I had the knowledge as to whether or not wavedashing is "Tournament Legal" then I'd have that much on him, and I can just rip him on the fact that I'm better than him. :D

Ahhh! I saw the later posts about this, so I went back. TEACH YOUR FRIENDS! I agree strongly with everyone who said the same thing. The only way you'll get better is if you get your friends to improve and push youevery time you play, so that when you play, you have to play to win. Playing to win is what separates the scrubs from the smash champs my friend.

 

[X-x-Dyce-x-X]

You know... you're right. I've been trying to avoid them learning any special tricks, but if I teach them those tricks, then learn to counter them... why... IL BECUM A SMASH GAWD!!!

 

[Creo]

Well, that is going to far but you will certainly get better. These chumps from school all thought they would pwn me but when we fought, I WD and they were like "WTF!"... I taught them and one sucks and gave up(n00b) and the other is mastering it slowly, though, they still aren't a challenge.(I don't know the point of this story but if it helps then your welcome.)Just teach then play.

 

[Red Exodus]

I can't play to win, actually I can but it'd involve me camping and hiding the whole match until 2 people die. And yes, I'm forced to:

A) play FFA
B) don't play smash until i get a Wii, which won't be happening happening anytime soon.

So, yeah, I'm pretty much screwed.

 

[Creo]

What is FFA RE?