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Official BBR Tier List v7

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MasterWarlord

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Sonic is a piece of crap who's been too high for too long. Movement speed for "hit and run" is useless, look how much that did for Captain Falcon. Putting DK below him specifically is pretty humiliating.

Can't decide if it's worse than the blatant selling out to the Japanese or not.
 

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In votes and matchup spreads they were very close, but if you look at the money/popularity data, you'll find that Sheilda makes a lot more money than either Sheik or Zelda.
This is some very poor reasoning.

Like 80% of the munny Sheilda makes in tournament is from tournaments that Ed goes to like these

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=303220

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=301324

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=321219

Lol so were using Play N Trade results to make the tier list now?
 

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DK has never placed well in any type of national ever. Sonic has two of the top 6 in MLG...that is better than has ever done and probably will ever do. Will is the only DK that places well at all and sonic has 2 (Espy/X) representatives and a few more much closer to being good than DK does.
 

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Hmmmm not sure if I agree with olimar so high, but dayum that shakes things up haha!

Yay toon link high

Bout time gnw dropped.

Good stuff zss.

:phone:
 

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How close was Marth/Falco in terms of the final results?
Weighted MUs:
Falco to Marth:
89 to 129 (weighted)
19.81770833 to 20.859375 (adjusted for 35%)

Results (Money earned/usage):
0.348717628 to 0.21222834
4.184611534 to 2.546740081 (Adjusted for the 12%)

Overall (Including BBR votes):
69.76853608 to 68.54206103

All can be found on the excel spreadsheet

>Sonic
>Implying he is better than DK
Results and MUs argue that Sonic is.

If you don't mind me asking, I'm not really too up to date on competitive Brawl but how in the holy hell is Sonic above Donkey Kong now?
DL the spreadsheet, find Sonic and DK on there. Compare the numbers.

April 28th, 2012:

The day DK mains everywhere collectively
laughed at the back room
If DK mains don't like it, they can play better to change the data. DL the spreadsheet and look at the numbers DK has. They're atrocious.
 

IhaveSonar

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Sonic's placement makes sense in my mind. He's the most mobile character in the game and has the worst(or at least very close to it) moveset. Average the two out and you get a character in the middle.

Though DK's drop is a bit surprising, I have to admit.
 

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Also, Zamus matchups are generally a bit overrated to me...but I suppose I have nothing to back this up.
 

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I was hoping Lucas would become low mid.

Not that I don't understand why he didn't.

I just want my character to go up, even if it's just one inconsequential spot. :<
 

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April 28th, 2012:

The day DK mains everywhere collectively
laughed at the back room
All 10 of them?

I am by no means the only Yoshi player that does well with him. My performances have been quite mediocre lately, and even if they were good, one player does not a character make.
Reflex says hi. But yeah, there's been other Yoshi mains doing hard work to get him up on the tier list.
 

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Hype. Happy how this turned out. :)

Make sure you read the OP, as this was weighted not just by bbr vote alone.
 

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I dont thinkoli is 2, but at the same time Im not surprised he wound up 2 one bit :)

I do think hes top tier though.
 

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DL the spreadsheet, find Sonic and DK on there. Compare the numbers.


If DK mains don't like it, they can play better to change the data. DL the spreadsheet and look at the numbers DK has. They're atrocious.
Like I previously mentioned, DK board is possibly the least spoken-for board of them all. I do, however, find it hilarious that Sonic is above him due to mobility when DK is one of the fastest heavyweights in the game and a not-terrible moveset. The one thing I do find agreeable on this list is Wolf's rise.
 

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Kinda terrible list(Wolf over G&W? Zamus over D3?), but Pit moved up, so that's good.
Wolf is an amazing character and G&W isn't. I don't see your problem on that one. DDD has subpar MUs vs top tier and his results compared to usage is very lacking.

Sonic is a piece of crap who's been too high for too long. Movement speed for "hit and run" is useless, look how much that did for Captain Falcon. Putting DK below him specifically is pretty humiliating.

Can't decide if it's worse than the blatant selling out to the Japanese or not.
Or, you know, you don't understand the game at top level and have your own biased opinion while the people who made the list have a very good understanding of the game and data to back it up. Again, DL the excel document and look at the numbers.

Jeez, massive hate on Donkey Kong. That's...really surprising.
Not if you look at the excel. It's depressing how badly DK is doing based on numbers.

This is some very poor reasoning.
Most of us were surprised by this as well, but it's what the numbers said vOv

Well, most of the time. :pt:
You don't count.

Also, the Sethlon Tier List....

THE SETHLON TIER LIST. <3
Yes, it is rather amazing.

What is this abomination?!

I want a writeup Falco and Marth now!
Have you DL'd the excel document? Also, it's not really that they went down as much as IC and Oli just finally went up (they've been overdue).
 

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How close was Marth/Falco in terms of the final results?
Falco was voted a little higher, Marth has a somewhat better weighted matchup spread and Falco wins more money, even moreso after a correction for popularity.

If you don't mind me asking, I'm not really too up to date on competitive Brawl but how in the holy hell is Sonic above Donkey Kong now?
DK's weighted matchups are far worse than Sonic's are, even his current placement could be considered on the high end in terms of that. Sonic also makes more money in tournaments if you correct for popularity. Note that DK would have been above Kirby if it were just votes, it's the less subjective part that brought him down.

I got ninja'd left and right. >=[
 

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Called a couple of things regarding this. Definitely knew :gw: was going down. Obviously :olimar: was going up. Thought :zerosuitsamus: was going up too.

All in all, I definitely agree with this tier list.

:phone:
 

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Sonic's still not where he's supposed to be.
Should be second or third in BL Tier, based off this tier list, tbh.

Not satisfied with this list, but whatever. :applejack:
 

C.J.

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Like I previously mentioned, DK board is possibly the least spoken-for board of them all. I do, however, find it hilarious that Sonic is above him due to mobility when DK is one of the fastest heavyweights in the game and a not-terrible moveset. The one thing I do find agreeable on this list is Wolf's rise.
If the DK boards are soft spoken and allow numbers that we used to be "incorrect" (as you seem to believe), how is that our fault? If you don't like how it turned out, fix the numbers and place better. His MU numbers are awful to the point where the DK boards "just" being soft spoken is why and his results data is severely lacking as well.
 

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Well, most of the time. :pt:

'Course, nowadays, CoonTail's been doing things, too.
Reflex says hi. But yeah, there's been other Yoshi mains doing hard work to get him up on the tier list.
A single player's success never lasts forever. I mean, look at where PT is now. If it had only been Polt and myself who were providing Yoshi's results, he would have dropped because of both our inactivity.
 

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I am most pleased with Game and Watch's position. Despite my exaggerations, he's not a -bad- character. He's just not a good one. :p

Why has Wario gone down so much? He was 5th 2 tier lists ago...
No one has done anything with him in recent times, and the game is becoming very ground-oriented. Wario hasn't won (m)any large tournaments, either.
 
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