Official "Ask Cort Stuff... about Stuff" Thread

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

Inspired by Cactuar's thread. Also plagiarized:

Title explains the purpose of the thread. Or I hope so anyway.

Please try and make a significant number of the questions ~~Marth~~ Peach related to prevent the thread from being closed due to spam.

Other questions are welcome and encouraged though.

~~I will edit some of the better question and answers to this first post.~~ Maybe.

If I feel your question is not legit or worth answering, I will likely answer it with a heavily sarcastic comment. These will probably be the answers most worth reading.

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Special thanks to Rockin who initially linked me to every single good post to put into here but me being lazy to edit it in, and super special thanks for IcedShadow for doing the same thing and organizing it for me:

IcedShadow said:
I tried to go through the thread and find all the information that's been posted. It seemed more logical to link to the posts than to actually post content (there's quite a bit). It's organized into by character (with categories for general matchups, edgeguarding, stage picks, and DI'ing) and at the end there is some really general Peach stuff. So yeah, if you find this helpful feel free to use it; I thought this would be a good use of my first post after 1.5 years of being a member.

Rapid_Assassin · Oct 14, 2007

Why is my Peach video thread completely ignored, when certain topics in here get tons and tons of replies? (you know which ones...) I want to be able to counterpick Peach on people if Zelda doesn't work, but my Peach still sucks.

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

Rapid_Assassin said:
Why is my Peach video thread completely ignored, when certain topics in here get tons and tons of replies? (you know which ones...) I want to be able to counterpick Peach on people if Zelda doesn't work, but my Peach still sucks.

I'm not entirely sure, to be honest I don't actually visit the Peach boards often (until recently, kind of)

I personally don't like criticizing people's videos, it's just a lot of work. I mean, if I actually want to criticize and not just give half-assed suggestions that anyone could tell you.

Personally, I just can't stand watching boring matches or matchups in general, unless the players are extremely talented.

If you take the time to practice your technical skill more (that's just my personal advice to you specifically) and record matches against other skilled players, then it becomes a lot easier for people to be inclined to watch your matches, and hopefully give you advice.

Hax · Oct 14, 2007

omg cort why are you so good at this game, teach me pls

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

Hax said:
omg cort why are you so good at this game, teach me pls

Steroids.

But uh.. it's actually cause I choose to travel a lot (especially this last year) and because I have great friends like Chris (of the Port Chester variety). Playing with him a lot (probably a few hundred hours total now) is one of the biggest reasons why I've become so much better.

Dark.Pch · Oct 14, 2007

How can i edgeguard Both links? I have a very tuff time doing that. Cause thier Up B tends to stop me from FC-Dair. and when they are holding to the edge, I try to Fc-Dair. but I get an air attack to the face. These 2 are one of the most pain in the azzes to edgeguard for me.

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

Dark.Pch said:
How can i edgeguard Both links? I have a very tuff time doing that. Cause thier Up B tends to stop me from FC-Dair. and when they are holding to the edge, I try to Fc-Dair. but I get an air attack to the face. These 2 are one of the most pain in the azzes to edgeguard for me.

I don't have too much experience against the Links in general (not just with Peach), but from what little experience I do have you have to prevent them from being able able to get near the edge in the first place.

Don't bother trying to trade hits or edge gaurd if they're already up b'ing, unless they are bad at sweet spotting. Then you can sometimes cc the up b into dsmash. Stand a turnip throw distance away and just throw veggies at the ledge to bring them back up, if they already recovered.

Otherwise, try and eye-ball whether or not they are going to make it onto the stage or not with their up b. Stand near the edge and edge hog if necessary, edge gaurding is not always needed. Otherwise, if they hookshot, toss a turnip down or simply z-drop it and pray for good results? Hehe, I don't know.

If you're feeling lucky you can always try fastfalling a bair off the stage before they up b, it's really not expected by anyone, ever. But I suggest saving this for last resort instances, so it doesn't become obvious.

In conclusion my edge gaurd game against the Links is a lot more patient than most other matchups. You really have to rely on an edge hog and well timed roll from the edge, or a turnip gimp to edge hog.

Dark.Pch · Oct 14, 2007

Oh ok. thank you. i'll try this against my crew member next time for Practice.

Oh and while im add it, Have you alot of experience in Peach dittos. I tend to not do well in those fights even when i do win. Even Peach players Im better than give me trouble. all out Peach that do alot of FC techs and turnips give me the most trouble and I dont think I can beat those. In this kind of fight Im always shielding cause I have no clue on that do do really. My Shield gets eaten and a Dsmash comes in. I dont know how to really aproach Peach.

oh and while Im at it here and a new problem I gain. Its Hard for me to edge Guard Doc when he is coming from the skies. Need help with that.

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

Dark.Pch said:
Oh ok. thank you. i'll try this against my crew member next time for Practice.

Oh and while im add it, Have you alot of experience in Peach dittos. I tend to not do well in those fights even when i do win. Even Peach players Im better than give me trouble. all out Peach that do alot of FC techs and turnips give me the most trouble and I dont think I can beat those. In this kind of fight Im always shielding cause I have no clue on that do do really. My Shield gets eaten and a Dsmash comes in. I dont know how to really aproach Peach.

oh and while Im at it here and a new problem I gain. Its Hard for me to edge Guard Doc when he is coming from the skies. Need help with that.

Okay, good luck.

I feel like I have a ton of experience in Peach dittos, mostly because they're dittos and I know what Peach is capable of. I have a pretty hefty resumé in them. I play the matchup fairly aggressively in general, and take note of what % the other Peach is at to make sure I know if they're capable of ccing to dsmash (also depending on where they are, especially if they're on a platform).

Anyway, technical skill is very important in this match up. If you can FC into dsmash faster than the other person, it's about a third of the battle (well, you know what I mean). The rest is how you approach and if you're smarter than the other player. You can usually safely approach with turnips even if the other player is using them a lot too. Try to get the slightly higher ground by either floating higher or just double jumping over their turnips/tossing your own. I feel like whenever I'm below them I always eat their approaches, so that's something to look out for.

If you happen to grab the other Peach, the only combo I know of is dthrow and if they DI behind you (which they should) you're able to dash attack them. If they DI in front or don't DI, they'll appear right next to you and actually let you regrab them or you get a free nair. A really good Peach ditto trick (that Ryoko uses/invented) is dthrowing them near the ledge while you're facing away from the ledge. Usually people will DI behind you, falling off the stage, but you can run off and fair them with very high accuracy because all they can do is either double jump into your fair or keep falling and.. usually still eat your fair. Otherwise, if they're at a high % (but possibly not killable %) then keep grab attacking them until you hear them finally start to struggle, then fthrow. I feel like players don't struggle nearly hard enough when they can, and it's reflective of how badly they want to win.

Recovering... for some reason I rarely see Peach players recover high when they can easily. It gives MANY MANY more options for the Peach if they up b as high as they can, and float back to the stage accordingly. Being within range of good edge guarders = bad. Being completely out of range and forcing the edge guarder to guess/predict what you're going to do = good.

Edge guarding in Peach dittos can be kind of tricky. Usually I like to make a wall of turnips (just keep uthrowing turnips near the ledge, they bounce on each other and can get pretty high usually). Peach's usually up b towards the wall with some caution, and if they get low enough you can sometimes trick them into eating a quick full jump nair. If Peach is already at a medium height with up b, I take note that many many players will try to fastfall to the edge, and I try to edge hog them as fast as I can. Likewise, if I think the other person thinks I'm going to go for the edge when I'm recovering, I just safely float to the stage without any fear. You have to mix it up.

As for edge guarding Doc, I don't have much experience in that match up either, so I would play it patiently. If Doc is recovering high then my only advice is to snipe him with a turnip and see where that leads you, otherwise chances are he's going to make it back to the stage without much trouble.

Dark.Pch · Oct 14, 2007

its Hard to snipe Doc when he has a barrier of Pills and he capes my Turnips. I try to Back air Him or at times F-air but his Pills break it. I thought of one way though but its kinda Based on timing. I went to Back air him when he does the tornado. Thats the only type of edgeguard I know I can do alright on Doc. And its also hard for me to sweetspot the D-air on the edge when he is coming from below with an Up-B. Guess its bases on mindgames from here on out

Thank You

Zankoku · Oct 14, 2007

How often should you actually go offstage to edgeguard a Fox or Falco? If they're coming from above the stage, they'll usually aim for the sweetspot, unless there's an edgeguard around, so it's typically difficult to edgeguard effectively, especially since Peach's double jump is rather slow.

How do you fight against a really campy space animal? The bair seems to out-prioritize most of my aerials, and getting hit by Fox's aerials into a Shine usually ends in upsmash. If I get the grab, which direction should I throw? Upward gives chaingrabs and sets up into nair toward the end, I know, and fthrow can KO at high %s. Occasionally I use the dthrow and attempt to techchase... is this suboptimal?

What stages would I use as Peach in general? Against Marth? Against space animals? And which stages would I probably want to ban? Do these stage choices change at all if I can use SheiK?

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

Dark.Pch said:
its Hard to snipe Doc when he has a barrier of Pills and he capes my Turnips. I try to Back air Him or at times F-air but his Pills break it. I thought of one way though but its kinda Based on timing. I went to Back air him when he does the tornado. Thats the only type of edgeguard I know I can do alright on Doc. And its also hard for me to sweetspot the D-air on the edge when he is coming from below with an Up-B. Guess its bases on mindgames from here on out

Thank You

Yeah, edge guarding his tornado is really the only thing I look out for. The rest is bread and butter edge guarding that should just come kind of naturally.

Please don't say the m-word in my thread. I'm not going to say it once in my replies, so I think I deserve the same kind of courtesy back.

Ankoku said:
How often should you actually go offstage to edgeguard a Fox or Falco? If they're coming from above the stage, they'll usually aim for the sweetspot, unless there's an edgeguard around, so it's typically difficult to edgeguard effectively, especially since Peach's double jump is rather slow.

How do you fight against a really campy space animal? The bair seems to out-prioritize most of my aerials, and getting hit by Fox's aerials into a Shine usually ends in upsmash. If I get the grab, which direction should I throw? Upward gives chaingrabs and sets up into nair toward the end, I know, and fthrow can KO at high %s. Occasionally I use the dthrow and attempt to techchase... is this suboptimal?

What stages would I use as Peach in general? Against Marth? Against space animals? And which stages would I probably want to ban? Do these stage choices change at all if I can use SheiK?

I rarely actually go off the stage to edge guard the space animals unless my initial edge guard follows up off the stage. It's pointless to try anything if they sweet spot unless you can get a quick instant float fair/nair off to atleast trade hits. If you float and do a retreating bair it will usually never trade hits and always hit a recovering Fox/Falco.

Against campy Foxes, I usually try to keep in their face but at the same time be at a safe position (not entirely in their face, you know). It usually stops them from lasering and forces them to actually approach, or find a way around you. Here is where I rely on the Fox to mess up (sadly, I usually never find other openings often against very good Foxes unless they mess up). Full jumping nairs near them and floating back after to see what they do (if the nair misses), hope they shield, which allows you to FC into their shield into a juicey dsmash, and follow up on that if it hits. I can't really think of other things at the moment, other than how uphill this battle is in general.

Falcos are much easier for me due to my experience. I'm very good at power shielding lasers and nairing out of my shield when the Falco tries to pressure it (up b out of shield works often too, even against Foxes that try to l cancel into your shield). The rest in this matchup I feel is very elementary stuff once the Falco realizes his lasers are getting to be fairly useless.

Grabs are pretty good on spacies. Uthrow almost always leads to a nair or CG, fthrow is excellent to kill/setup for edge guard opportunities. I sometimes try to mix it up if they think I'm going to fthrow them, I'll uthrow into nair instead. I very rarely dthrow in this matchup, if at all. Peach's running speed is just not good enough to tech chase effectively, and it could potentially ruin the initial grab opportunity. Oh, and uthrow to dsmash is excellent. (Check this post out, http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2933012&postcount=2 )

Concerning stage choice, in general I really like FoD, Battlefield and Dreamland for neutrals, even in her tougher matchups. In general I don't like FD that much unless it's against someone I can CG. Dreamland is really the only good neutral against Marth. As far as banning goes, in tournaments that allow banning neutrals, I almost always ban Yoshi's Story. I ban YS instead of a non-neutral because it greatly increases the chance of winning my first match, as I'd rather ban a stage that could randomly come up compared to banning a gay stage that the opponent probably won't pick anyway, especially considering Marth/Fox/Falco all have a plethora of good counterpicks. Counterpicks against Marth include Dreamland, DK64 and Mute City. I think they're all great Sheik vs Marth stages too. Against Fox/Falco I would go with those as well as FD and Brinstar. I feel like Sheik does very well on pretty much every stage in every matchup except like, against Peach and Jiggs on Mute City just because she's... Sheik.

I'm gonna go to bed for now.

edub · Oct 14, 2007

i love cort

Rockin · Oct 14, 2007

1) If you could change the three items Peach pulls out, what would they be?

2) Any useful tricks for all of Peach's tilts? (especially Dtilt)

3) Why did you name yourself Cort?

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

edub said:
i love cort

I.. love you too?

Rockin said:
1) If you could change the three items Peach pulls out, what would they be?

2) Any useful tricks for all of Peach's tilts? (especially Dtilt)

3) Why did you name yourself Cort?

I'd get rid of Saturn and the Beam Sword and give her Pokeballs and motion sensor mines.

I never do Peach's tilts on purpose (except dtilt). It seems like whenever I accidentally do her ftilt it hits, and her utilt is basically useless except in Peach dittos apparently, where if Peach is approaching you from the air you can just turn your back to her and utilt, and it out prioritizes her dair? Possibly some other moves too. Anyway, I dtilt sometimes to end a spaced approach, and sometimes it shield stabs. So it'd be FC fair/nair into their shield, jab, dtilt. Sometimes I do it randomly if I feel.. random. >_> I don't think I've ever been punished for it, so why not?

Cort is from Legend of Legaia, an RPG released in 1998/99 for the sony playstation. He's basically the villain/last boss/sephirothy type guy. My friend gave me the name "RaSeruCort" back at that time to use for the Pojo boards I think, back when I played a lot of Pokemon TCG. If you play the game you'll know what Ra-Seru are.

senorspoof · Oct 14, 2007

Re-seru are complete champion. Vahns one was the coolest... wasn't it called meta or something?

The best seru was that dog who shot a **** spear out of his mouth and impaled them against a wall. Noah was too **** good in that game. <3 legaia.

On an actual peach related note, how should oneuse turnips against a falco?

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

senorspoof said:
Re-seru are complete champion. Vahns one was the coolest... wasn't it called meta or something?

The best seru was that dog who shot a **** spear out of his mouth and impaled them against a wall. Noah was too **** good in that game. <3 legaia.

On an actual peach related note, how should oneuse turnips against a falco?

Yep, I love Legend of Legaia. A lot. I liked Noa the best cause she usually fit in like 2 more attacks compared to everyone else. Miracle Art at level 22!?! Gala was lame for the opposite reasons. That dog you're talking about is Kemaro. I've played through this game too many times...

Anyway, Turnips against Falco are pretty useless except when he's off the stage. I'd rather use his own lasers against him than try and pull a turnip while he performs a drive-by. Power shielding is not hard at all when you start getting used to the timing, I suggest everyone practice it.

exarch · Oct 14, 2007

If I may: Edgeguarding Doc:
The absolute best method for edgeguarding Doc is to jump off with a nair without floating. Because:

If you float he can cape whatever you're doing and send you high and out of his range. Not floating means this wont happen.
If you dont float but bair instead he can cape to turn you around and send himself back towards the stage. Caping the nair (because it's a sex kick that with a central hitbox around you) still sends him away from the stage.
Nairing will eat through he projectiles. Even if it doesn't, what's 8% when he loses a stock, just nair again if you get hit.
You have to do it off the stage because his upb has such huge priority, you're NOT going to beat it. So hit him when his recovery is weak.

That's my recommendation anyways

IMO Pkstm is the best level against Marth. Even over DL. But that doesn't really have any significance.

MikeG techchases with dtilt. (That would be known as a REALLY GOOD IDEA). I do it too now occassionally.

Cort:

How do you kill a good CF before 140%? (Read-> one that recovers high)
Meh might as well ask: any suggestions for me and my peach?
I was recovering from hernia surgery at FC, a lot of the time i spent watching you and PC's matches were because I just didn't want to move. Glad I stayed though. Was it awkward to have this random skinny guy you didn't know around for so many of your matches? Though you probably don't even really remember.
I'm having trouble figuring out which course to take next semester: what are your recommendations?

cablepuff · Oct 14, 2007

Cort how do you beat peach? (in details please).

2.) Whats your edge guarding strategy against icy and against fox.

omegawhitemage · Oct 14, 2007

No peach questions here, I just wanted to say that I think this thread (and threads like it by pros) are pure genius. Especially when they are willing to give a full reply and put some thought into it.

So I just wanted to thank you for doing the community a service.

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

Thanks for the Doc advice, that was a great post.

exarch said:
IMO Pkstm is the best level against Marth. Even over DL. But that doesn't really have any significance.

MikeG techchases with dtilt. (That would be known as a REALLY GOOD IDEA). I do it too now occassionally.

Cort:

How do you kill a good CF before 140%? (Read-> one that recovers high)

Meh might as well ask: any suggestions for me and my peach?

I was recovering from hernia surgery at FC, a lot of the time i spent watching you and PC's matches were because I just didn't want to move. Glad I stayed though. Was it awkward to have this random skinny guy you didn't know around for so many of your matches? Though you probably don't even really remember.

I'm having trouble figuring out which course to take next semester: what are your recommendations?

PS is an okay stage vs Marth. I just don't like it all that much cause DL just has much higher sides/ceiling.

Tech chasing with Peach using anything is a good idea, cause it's hard to do in the first place without blatantly guessing. Dtilt is probably the sexiest.

Anywho, killing CF before 140%? You have to just edge guard him accordingly, check out XiF's set with Jiano at FCD. Always assume Falcon is going to fall back after up b'ing high, I've grown pretty accustom to Falcons trying to trick you with their pathetic recovery... Otherwise, I don't really know. >_<

I can't really answer such general questions like "How do I make my Peach better?" It's just way too hard without writing an essay and a half, and I don't think I ever saw your Peach for more than a few seconds at a time.

I remember you at FCD, it was good to feel like I had a fan club LOL. But hernia operation johns instead...

Take courses that fulfill your major's requirements. If you're undecided, just take the most annoying general ed courses you can, so you can get rid of them early and have funner classes left for your junior/senior years of college. Also, www.ratemyprofessors.com is a great resource if you know who is teaching courses you might take.

GamerGuitarist7 · Oct 14, 2007

What's the best way to handle a smart peach as Falco? just general tips on the match-up, becuase i had a lot of trouble with peach's at a tourney yesterday

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

cablepuff said:
Cort how do you beat peach? (in details please).

2.) Whats your edge guarding strategy against icy and against fox.

You're gonna have to get a little more specific with that first question. But if you want a reply just as general as your question, use Fox or Marth. Fox -> full jump triple laser, drill shine up smash. Match up compree. Marth -> always wait and be patient, once Peach is in the air, keep her in the air. She can't do anything about your aerials. When she's recovering always WAIT until she becomes punishable.

I already covered edge guarding Fox in the topic. However, ICs is a much much easier situation. Simply wait. Wait until they choose their method of recovery, and react accordingly. The only thing they can do which makes it hard for Peach to punish if forward b'ing together. If they up b **** the Nana. Remember that she never techs, so just keep nairing her across the stage like those old colonial games where the kids chase a wheel down the road with a stick. But ideally, the Popo should be forward b'ing by himself (since you ***** his Nana already). Just wait to see where he goes, and always assume they're going to try and fall back and trick you. Nair them if they're above 110%. Fair if they're below 110%. (The trajectory of nair becomes stronger/further than fairs after around 110.)

omegawhitemage said:
No peach questions here, I just wanted to say that I think this thread (and threads like it by pros) are pure genius. Especially when they are willing to give a full reply and put some thought into it.

So I just wanted to thank you for doing the community a service.

No problem, it's my pleasure really. I just feel like I could help the Peach community out as well as have some fun myself.

GamerGuitarist7 said:
What's the best way to handle a smart peach as Falco? just general tips on the match-up, becuase i had a lot of trouble with peach's at a tourney yesterday

Well, this is the Peach forums, not the Falco forums. But I'll try anyway.

Falco's game vs Peach is a much more slower paced game than some of his other matchups. Falco can still combo Peach pretty nicely as long as you know how to space out his jump and double jump and use his dair/weak dair effectively. I think Peach has the advantage, but only a small one. This matchup is more of a chore for Falco than anything else.

But yeah, if you can combo effectively and end with good tech chases with fsmash/dsmash, it should make things somewhat easier. It's just actually pulling off those maneuvers...

GamerGuitarist7 · Oct 14, 2007

lol yeah i know its the peach forums but i have to hear both ends of the math-up to understand it as best as i can

thanks for the answer thuogh

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

Ah, that's interesting, and a good idea I guess.

No problem, and good luck.

cablepuff · Oct 14, 2007

hmm I main jiggly with sheik as backup. SO with those two. (How do i beat peach with those two?)
Including What NOT to do.?
Edge guard.
Air game
Ground game.
etc...

LieutenantSerg · Oct 14, 2007

*Subscribes to thread*

=]

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

cablepuff said:
hmm I main jiggly with sheik as backup. SO with those two. (How do i beat peach with those two?)
Including What NOT to do.?
Edge guard.
Air game
Ground game.
etc...

I don't know anything about Jigglypuff to be honest, so I don't know. However, I have a much easier time against Jigglypuffs once I get a flow of turnips going, so I suggest always being in Peach's face and not letting her pull turnips. If she dash attacks your shield, rest out of your shield. Use gimpy rest combos. That's all I can say, really.

With Sheik however, it's very easy if you play the matchup patiently. Always keep spaced with bairs, don't approach Peach with any other aerials at lower %s. Grab a LOT. Sheiks' grab combos against Peach are fairly devastating sometimes.

Sheik can sometimes get some gimpy needle KOs if Peach has already used her double jump and is floating at near ledge altitudes. Just chuck a heroine needle and edge hog.

When Peach edge gaurds you just by edge hogging -> get up -> dsmash, CC the first hit of dsmash at higher %s. (Simply hold down for a fraction of time as you get dsmashed) This gets you hit twice by the dsmash, sending you to the other side of the stage instead of just getting edge gaurded again.

You're gonna have to ask some more specific questions about the match up, because I don't know any more specific situations that Sheik should look out for.

KevinM · Oct 14, 2007

Cort hey i'm just wondering if you remember me, i'm that Bowser player?

Reioumu · Oct 14, 2007

Why did Cort get owned by Vahn, Noa, and Gala? Cort's voice was soo awesome. Best voice actor in the game.

Legend of Legaia is awesome :3.

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

KevinM said:
Cort hey i'm just wondering if you remember me, i'm that Bowser player?

Yep. You're a cool dude. We never played, though.

sephiroth666 said:
Why did Cort get owned by Vahn, Noa, and Gala? Cort's voice was soo awesome. Best voice actor in the game.

Legend of Legaia is awesome :3.

Yeah it is.

Humans are weak and dirty.

KevinM · Oct 14, 2007

We better play soon

and we sorta did we just happened to be.. GIANT

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

KevinM said:
We better play soon

and we sorta did we just happened to be.. GIANT

8ESTICLE?!

Sex is good.

KevinM · Oct 14, 2007

Yeah i should be going to 8esticle what day is it again the 27th?

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=118113

wWw Dazwa · Oct 14, 2007

What exactly is a "raserucort"

/subscribe

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

Subscribe mindgames!

I explained it in the topic already

BigRick · Oct 14, 2007

Oh yea... awesome! You gonna have alot of work...

1) One more thing about edgeguarding spacies... how do you stop a sweetspotted illusion without using turnips? Instafloat Dair off the stage never works for me...

2) About the Peach on Marth matchup... could you tell me what throws you use at the different % that you get a grab? It's a common counterpick so I'd like to be better at this matchup.

3) Were you the one that taught PC how to play Peach? lol

TheGeneral · Oct 14, 2007

Well, considering I lost to this combo by itself 3 times yesterday, I'd like to know how do you beat/ escape/ deal with Marth's F-throw--> f-throw --> etc., ---> f-air or f-smash combo?

Do you DI a certain way, or what?

Also, do you use the c-stick for smash-DI and or getting out of shine-gayness?

Cort · Oct 14, 2007

BigRick said:
Oh yea... awesome! You gonna have alot of work...

1) One more thing about edgeguarding spacies... how do you stop a sweetspotted illusion without using turnips? Instafloat Dair off the stage never works for me...

2) About the Peach on Marth matchup... could you tell me what throws you use at the different % that you get a grab? It's a common counterpick so I'd like to be better at this matchup.

3) Were you the one that taught PC how to play Peach? lol

I'm pretty sure you can't if they sweet spot without using a turnip. Peach's attacks just don't reach under the edge that far.

Grabs against Marth are not nearly as useful as some of Peach's other matchups. Getting Marth off the edge would be somewhat of a priority. Always make sure to grab attack a lot at high %s before fthrowing, unless they're already at a killable %.

dthrow to dash attack still can "combo" if they DI behind you, and if they don't DI you can actually CG Marth, or nair him.

In general, Peach's grabs against Marth are just not that useful. ~_~

PC is amazing with every character. I taught him a few things, but I certainly didn't teach him how to play.

TheGeneral said:
Well, considering I lost to this combo by itself 3 times yesterday, I'd like to know how do you beat/ escape/ deal with Marth's F-throw--> f-throw --> etc., ---> f-air or f-smash combo?

Do you DI a certain way, or what?

Also, do you use the c-stick for smash-DI and or getting out of shine-gayness?

DI down and away from Marth's fthrow. Up and towards also works as it puts you out of range of another grab, but you can still eat fsmash/aerials. DIing down and away from his fthrow/dthrow should be enough to escape a fsmash at low-mid to slightly high %s. At very high %s it becomes impossible to escape fthrow -> wd -> fsmash, atleast I've never been able to get around it. (curse you Cactuar)

Smash DIing shines is the best way to try and escape them, but if the Fox has good wavedashes then it's basically impossible to escape.

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