"Now that's strategy!" - Robin Video Archive

[_Shinta_]

Goddamn that dude's vine is an amazing resource. It's like all that guy does is find cool Robin **** and make videos out of it.

First of all, gonna have to look into that downtilt tome retrieval thing...

I'm so confused by the d tilt retrieval. When I use the last of a tome and then d tilt no discard happens which is great. So I can time that. But then as soon as I stop d tilt the discard occurs and isn't the same arc as it is normally.

In the vine (see below) there's the instance where he jumps straight up and grabs it which makes sense. But with the arcfire tome he is able to grab it immediately. And the Nos tome he is able to dash attack to grab it. How?

 

[M@v]

Not many videos of my Robin out there, but here's a doubles set I had on stream at Big House 5 (I go Robin game 1, Fox game 2). We wound up finishing 17th/123 in the teams bracket.

 

[AmericanDJ]

If anyone wants to critique some of my matches against Mister Eric I guess I'll post them here. (Only went Robin game 1 though)

 

[STO]

If you guys are interested, here is my *almost* entire tournament career on youtube, sorted by most recent plays:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpjQnlBlPj0cIzFU7vfnXHql5C4nbXxt3

 

[Célja]

Some of my matches from my local Biweekly got uploaded

(I played super poorly this set. This set was played right after the previous video and I had no time to relax myself.)

 

[TheJerm]

I have a lot of vids from this channel, I'm a solo robin main from houston and I'm trying to push robin to top level. I usually place pretty well and beat some of our top players but I want to start consistently winning tournaments and not keep placing 4/5th

 

[Gamegenie222]

Here some vids from a up and coming Robin player named Battlestar whose been doing well at our locals recently and he did pretty well at our Arcadian tournament and got 3rd. Here they are.

The rest of top 8 from the Arcadian tournament is still being processed on YT so if anyone wanna watch the rest of the top 8 and before that where there was another local Robin player before top 8 watch the archive.
http://www.twitch.tv/camtendo/v/22289771

 

[A17]

0 - 6:43 is my Robin stuff.
Bonus: 8:24 - 13:18 is his Robin stuff.

Anyway, I haven't played Robin enough to really grasp how I can cope with my slow speeds against people who play quick. Robin being physically slow doesn't seem to help either.

Correct me at any point if you feel my mentality is wrong:
At some points in time, I figured I shouldn't be charging in since I can't expect myself to catch them off guard given how slow Robin moves around. And I figured it would be wasteful to throw fire everywhere, so I'm unsure of when is usually a good time to toss out the flames. Usually when I tell myself it's a good time, my opponent has already charged at me and can easily run underneath the fire. When you guys play, what are your signals to throwing out fire?

Then when it comes to close-range, I think Robin loses out easily due to slow startup of jab and stuff. I could just roll out but that would be too easy to read early on in the game, and it would seem running ("backing off") has actually been read by this player as well as he has punished it before. How do you guys combat characters with better a better close-range game?

 

[Janno]

this weekend me and my friend played double robin in a tournament, losing 2:3 to mr. r + cyve in winnerfinals

here we go:

WQF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HShpO31hpEI
sadly WSF didnt got recorded
WF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSHp69P8-sw
LF: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUErwCRCpoI (switched to mario/fox cause we got destroyed lol)

enjoy watching and thanks for every criticm you can give us! We really want to improve our doubles synergy and gameplay

 

[Gamegenie222]

Here's a Anther's match vs Dezmu a MM player from Canada and my first time fighting against a MM who knew what they was doing so i made a bunch a mistakes and what not so here it is.

Also game 3 was Delfino actually and game 2 was Dreamland but he forgot to save game 2 so i send it to him and recorded it in that fashion.

 

[Gamegenie222]

Well here's some more's vids from locals and from Roll Tier also with some Robin in dubs whom I haven't used with this person I teamed with before with mistakes on my end.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8LxEoINFQs vs team IloveDelfino.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjCdPF7nvLk LF vs team Rubbish


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBvRXnav3cU WF vs Team LTL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UEBhx5L7Kk GF vs Team LTL

My only recorded footage of Robin at Roll Tier 6 and I went Robin game 2 and 3 and SD game 3 sadly but this was a pools match and I made it outta pools and got 13th outta 112 recorded people.

 

[vikggg]

Hey everyone, hope you all are having a great day. I ran into Seagull Joe on for glory today and I played two matches against him. I know I made a lot of mistakes here and there, so it would be nice if you guys could let me know what I was doing wrong/could've done better. Above is game 1, game 2 will go up at some time.

By the way, does anyone know if down throw to up air works on Sonic? I think it does on a very short window but not too sure.

Thanks in advance!
vik

 

[vikggg]

Here is game 2

 

[Crimson Child]

I have a set from Eclipse last weekend. Only used Robin 1st and 3rd game. I did mess up a lot, mostly because I played too many characters this tourney and hadn't played Smash 4 for a few weeks prior to this. Even after a year, I still have some Brawl habits I need to get rid of x) It doesn't look like my opponent had much Robin experience, though.

 

[Jester Kirby]

Brought out my Robin a few times at our last local.

Critiques welcome, looking to improve her.

 

[eyejayy]

HAH--GOTEEEEM // for glory though

 

[Brozoco]

I just made a new mixclip for my channel I hope you guys enjoy!

 

[Ridel]

So if I were to post matches here could I get them critiqued?

 

[Nah]

So if I were to post matches here could I get them critiqued?

Yes. It's part of what the thread is for.

 

[Ridel]

Okay I wasn't sure. I scrolled through most of this thread and didn't see many.

 

[9029]

http://www.twitch.tv/2ggaming/v/33657861
My set starts around 00:30:00.
I've never played the Toon Link matchup before, but I had some advice from _Shinta_ before and between matches. I get 2-0'd in the end.

 

[Kumabear]

Best part at 11:45

This is a pretty embarrassing show but it could be worse for a stream debut (I guess). Anyway, I have a Doubles tournament coming up at this week's Friday and I'm a bit lost at what I should focus on. Doubles is a somewhat unknown territory to me so any general advice would be much appreciated. My partner is most likely going to play Link so is there something I should take note of?

 

[Janno]

as for link robin in teams i have no clue lol
you both are very slow, campy, and strong. Just try to be as annoying as possible while staying save with your projectiles. try to cover each other with your projectiles.
robin is imo a good doubles chars. his long lasting, super strong hitboxes are super potent in a 2v2. since most of his moves have some kind of "effect" the hitlag increases, which makes follow ups really easy.
talk with your team partner about special situations like, when u get a grab, what throw are you going to use or what moves he shouldnt follow up (like u hit arcthunder and want to follow up with an uair and ur team partner has the same idea and you kill him)
make sure your team partner knows how to utilise the follow up potential of nosferatu with either a full charged smash (when you are in a 2v1) or with keeping the other opponent away cause you are very vulnerable.
and one more thing which is more like general team thing, try using footstools. Maybe its just me but i feel like footstools are so underused in brawl or smash4 teams. its such a great way to rack up damage if your partner is aware of it.

and the most important thing, try to get your flow together. There is nothing better than a team with great synergy. but i cant really help you with that, you will figure that out by yourselfe im sure

 

[Locuan]

Looking for some advice:

Locuan (Robin) vs EvilBlue (Fox)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W2fbpuKn_g

Locuan (Robin) vs. SaSSy (R.O.B.) [vs. #1 in Austin for 2015]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOaKn1hE4Mk
Quick note here, I arcfired > bronze fair, levin hadn't refreshed yet

JoWii (Kirby) vs Locuan (Robin, Mario) [Had a lot of trouble actually killing Kirby]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2bfmiluf4

Castro (Bowser Jr.) vs. Locuan (Robin, Mario) [Had a lot of trouble getting in on Bowser Jr.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_2Pkd3IOh4

All in all, I got fifth for using a character I don't main for most of the bracket and actually did pretty well against SaSSy. I'd really like some help/advice to be able to rep Robin even more accurately!

EDIT: been analyzing my stuff and a lot of things to go through.

 

[ARGHETH]

Looking for some advice:

Locuan (Robin) vs EvilBlue (Fox)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W2fbpuKn_g

Locuan (Robin) vs. SaSSy (R.O.B.) [vs. #1 in Austin for 2015]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOaKn1hE4Mk
Quick note here, I arcfired > bronze fair, levin hadn't refreshed yet

JoWii (Kirby) vs Locuan (Robin, Mario) [Had a lot of trouble actually killing Kirby]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X2bfmiluf4

Castro (Bowser Jr.) vs. Locuan (Robin, Mario) [Had a lot of trouble getting in on Bowser Jr.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_2Pkd3IOh4

All in all, I got fifth for using a character I don't main for most of the bracket and actually did pretty well against SaSSy. I'd really like some help/advice to be able to rep Robin even more accurately!

For one thing, you should practice catching discarded tomes/swords, since they are very strong projectiles. It would probably be useful to know what percents Checkmate works (~90-100 generally) and what followups you can get out of Dthrow (jab, utilt, uair, etc).

 

[shadowofchaos725]

Is just For Glory netplay footage allowed? I see you guys are pretty much posting tournament footage.

Robin vs Falcon on 3DS For Glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLfCMgUGgU4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIKJPlz4zUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K--AYBr-uWc

I just felt that this was something outside of my usual For Glory shenanigans.
Since you guys were uploading tournaments, I wanted to get footage of people that actually are able to destroy me as well.

Any critiques for a casual Robin main?

 

[Aein]

Is just For Glory netplay footage allowed? I see you guys are pretty much posting tournament footage.

Robin vs Falcon on 3DS For Glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLfCMgUGgU4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIKJPlz4zUM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K--AYBr-uWc

I just felt that this was something outside of my usual For Glory shenanigans.
Since you guys were uploading tournaments, I wanted to get footage of people that actually are able to destroy me as well.

Any critiques for a casual Robin main?

I noticed in the first video that you tended to arcfire, roll/move behind them, and arcfire again. You might want to try grabbing them while they're caught in arcfire and close to the ground. A second arcfire won't hit like that.

Do less panic elwinds, especially against a fast character that can punish your freefall. Elwind mixups are good close to the ledge, where they're thrown offstage and you can land safely.

You definitely need to bair more, I only saw a couple of those. For example, when they're recovering high from a fair, I like to surprise them with a RAR bair.

Keep better track of arcfire, you get punished for trying those when you're out.

Try mixing up your elwind recovery, don't always have the same recovery trajectory to the ledge. Against Falcon, you don't want to be anywhere underneath him. Good ones will read your offstage airdodges and recovery easily. 3DS FG is nice with the abundance of wall edges for teching. Likewise, he doesn't want to be under you because you can elwind spike. Try a dair spike if an elwind or fair looks tricky to get because it has a bigger hit box.

When he's starting up aerial combos, try jumping out as soon you can to not get caught in it. Nair more onstage to avoid that.

I hope you find my input helpful. Overall, those were some nice battles. Nosferatu and Elwind spikes are on point!
やっぱり、レイさんだよ！

 

[shadowofchaos725]

I noticed in the first video that you tended to arcfire, roll/move behind them, and arcfire again. You might want to try grabbing them while they're caught in arcfire and close to the ground. A second arcfire won't hit like that.

Do less panic elwinds, especially against a fast character that can punish your freefall. Elwind mixups are good close to the ledge, where they're thrown offstage and you can land safely.

You definitely need to bair more, I only saw a couple of those. For example, when they're recovering high from a fair, I like to surprise them with a RAR bair.

Keep better track of arcfire, you get punished for trying those when you're out.

Try mixing up your elwind recovery, don't always have the same recovery trajectory to the ledge. Against Falcon, you don't want to be anywhere underneath him. Good ones will read your offstage airdodges and recovery easily. 3DS FG is nice with the abundance of wall edges for teching. Likewise, he doesn't want to be under you because you can elwind spike. Try a dair spike if an elwind or fair looks tricky to get because it has a bigger hit box.

When he's starting up aerial combos, try jumping out as soon you can to not get caught in it. Nair more onstage to avoid that.

I hope you find my input helpful. Overall, those were some nice battles. Nosferatu and Elwind spikes are on point!
やっぱり、レイさんだよ！

That is *EXACTLY* what I was looking for. I think of myself as a decent Robin player, but I lack the refinement that the Smashboards regulars here have. Thank you very much!

Question though, what is a RAR back ai-- *googles*

OH, that. It's funny how I know of things that people do in smash by getting my ass handed to me long ago, but I don't know what the terms you guys do are. Haha.

Thank you!

 

[Aein]

That is *EXACTLY* what I was looking for. I think of myself as a decent Robin player, but I lack the refinement that the Smashboards regulars here have. Thank you very much!

Question though, what is a RAR back ai-- *googles*

OH, that. It's funny how I know of things that people do in smash by getting my *** handed to me long ago, but I don't know what the terms you guys do are. Haha.

Thank you!

Haha, by the looks of it, you've been here longer than me. I was just a lurker before I got an account recently.

All the abbreviations used to puzzle me too, yeah, often times it's like "oh that thing we do... it actually has a name!" Sorry for not specifying! I went so long not knowing what SHupair was when everybody here was throwing the term around. And then Oh, It's just short hop up air! Cue my facepalm.

Reverse Aerial Rush. RAR: you run, turn around really quickly and jump into an aerial. It keeps some forward momentum. Personally, I find it useful for Robin and Ike's back airs. But it depends on your playstyle, I guess.

One thing I don't see many Robins in general doing is foxtrotting (when you tap your analog into the dash animation repeatedly ) People complain about our slow speed, but Robin has a good foxtrot that gets them to places a teensy bit faster. Sure it looks funny, but it works!

I think you're a great Robin, you've got the character fundamentals. I've seen your other videos. You've figured out what strings into what and you're creative about it. Now you just need better opponents so you can start thinking outside the box. xD It's one of the reasons I got into competitive smash, online wasn't challenging so it wasn't always fun. And at tournaments, you wouldn't believe how different the upper crust of gameplay becomes. I sure learn by getting my butt kicked!

I really like encountering good players on FG though. Twice, I've run into players from the top 10 in my city that I know in person.. What are the chances! xD I bet I'll run into one again...

 

[eyejayy]

accidental kill setup to seal the win!

 

[DeadLuckChris]

Heys guys, i was wondering is there anything else i can do to improve my Robin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Ppp5AQHAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh9h5PrdQc4

 

[Aein]

Heys guys, i was wondering is there anything else i can do to improve my Robin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3Ppp5AQHAA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh9h5PrdQc4

I notice you tend to always charge up to arcthunder. While that's totally fine, depending on the situation or match up you will want to switch it up. Like against a spammy neutral Mario, light thunders could work better. The constant fireballs don't really allow you to charge for long on FD sometimes, but light thunders are fast, disruptive to your enemy and safer because you don't want your heavy stuff to be reflected back at you. Your enemies usually don't expect it if you've always been charging too.

You want to use elthunder when you need something fast. It packs a solid punch, sometimes gets the kill better than Thoron.

Resist the urge to release your neutral b if the enemy is a fast character and dashing at you. It's up to your judgement, but more often than not you will get hit and your attack and its hitbox will whiff (miss) right past them. Especially if they're small.

Try more combos. Arcthunder to Fsmash is good, but it only works up close. If you land an arcthunder from a farther distance, you can rush forward, jump and land arcfire to buy you more time. From there you can get a fair or upair. Similarly, down throw to jab is not very reliable at times. Enemies can actually jump out. Explore d-throw to up tilt or nair. Dthrow to upair at 80-100% (depends on enemy character) is a kill move. You should try it and see if you can't nab the kill earlier.

 

[DeadLuckChris]

I notice you tend to always charge up to arcthunder. While that's totally fine, depending on the situation or match up you will want to switch it up. Like against a spammy neutral Mario, light thunders could work better. The constant fireballs don't really allow you to charge for long on FD sometimes, but light thunders are fast, disruptive to your enemy and safer because you don't want your heavy stuff to be reflected back at you. Your enemies usually don't expect it if you've always been charging too.

You want to use elthunder when you need something fast. It packs a solid punch, sometimes gets the kill better than Thoron.

Resist the urge to release your neutral b if the enemy is a fast character and dashing at you. It's up to your judgement, but more often than not you will get hit and your attack and its hitbox will whiff (miss) right past them. Especially if they're small.

Try more combos. Arcthunder to Fsmash is good, but it only works up close. If you land an arcthunder from a farther distance, you can rush forward, jump and land arcfire to buy you more time. From there you can get a fair or upair. Similarly, down throw to jab is not very reliable at times. Enemies can actually jump out. Explore d-throw to up tilt or nair. Dthrow to upair at 80-100% (depends on enemy character) is a kill move. You should try it and see if you can't nab the kill earlier.

Lol pretty much everything you said i should do i do now. Sadly most of the videos that show my Robin to the fullest are on the 3ds and i have no good way to show them yet.

 

[Aein]

Lol pretty much everything you said i should do i do now. Sadly most of the videos that show my Robin to the fullest are on the 3ds and i have no good way to show them yet.

Aww man, xD but you're the one who linked those videos! At least you can see the progress.
Actually, I have the same problem so I usually film 3DS in the dark with my camera. I set the 3DS to an angle and the camera on a book so it gets the screen and just enough of the percentages which I set to appear at the top of the bottom screen. It kinda works and the quality is ok. Unless it's a really light colored stage and everything looks fuzzy, ahhh.

 

[DeadLuckChris]

Aww man, xD but you're the one who linked those videos! At least you can see the progress.
Actually, I have the same problem so I usually film 3DS in the dark with my camera. I set the 3DS to an angle and the camera on a book so it gets the screen and just enough of the percentages which I set to appear at the top of the bottom screen. It kinda works and the quality is ok. Unless it's a really light colored stage and everything looks fuzzy, ahhh.

Just wanted to make sure i have a good Robin lol

 

[Mad Ice King]

I haven't posted this before, but since I want to use Smashboards a lot more, I put it in the video archive thread as well:

Should have known about that Arc-Thunder into Dair when I made it though. T^T

 

[TheJerm]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6GIpWT-5QFM

Me vs The Wall. Finally beating him, took some tips from dath and staying grounded

 

[Gamegenie222]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6GIpWT-5QFM

Me vs The Wall. Finally beating him, took some tips from dath and staying grounded

Good stuff and I miss halberd

 

[False Sense]

http://www.twitch.tv/hypeststream/v/38849689

This is footage of my GF match against a Sonic player. Any tips on how I could improve? Any constructive feedback would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Delzethin]

Wait, wouldn't it be a good idea to pin this thread? It'd be so much easier for people to find videos if they had this sitting right there at the top of the subforum.