No love for Sigurd? (FE4) Discussion Thread

[Lord Knight]

I don't bash Lyn or Hector. I actually want to see them in Brawl. I just believe Sigurd is more important overall to represent FE than the recent Lords. Putting in someone like Ike before him would be like putting in Waluigi before Wario (as an example) -- he's just more important to the franchise overall.

I love how you ignore some of Inui's post.

 

[xianfeng]

I just ignore it because all it would proberly say is "I know more about Fire Emblem than any one else you western devils would have never even heard of these Japan only games I play because I am so high and mighty I w ish I was a japanese man then I would be supirior to these western devils despite the fact that Japan still kisses America's arse"

 

[Inui]

When you love a series you get up your self and act like you know more than everyone.

But I actually do know more than anyone else here. I'm not making anything up.

I'm a former administrator for Fire Emblem Fusion, I'm the top seed there in Fire Emblem Debate Tournaments, I have almost all the statistical databases for every game memorized, and I have beaten every single Fire Embelm game at least 10 times, witch the exception of FE 2 since it sucks.

The intelligent English fanbase for Fire Emblem consists of FESSers and FEFFers, and at the top are people like me, Eaichu250, PrinceLeaf, DarkTwilkitri, and Jet Enduro. Lord Knight can vouch for everything I say, since he's been to all of the major FE boards.

The English fanbase isn't going to matter when it comes to Fire Emblem, because the Japanase fanbase is much larger.

 

[xianfeng]

The English FE fanbase still deserves some representation

 

[FireBomb]

No matter how much Ameica tries, we aren't going to understand and respect the FE games as much as the Japanese fans. We're simply too small compared to them.

Sigurd...if they DO have him in the game with a lance/spear, wouldn't he have unsurpassed melee fighting range with that thing?

 

[Manashima]

"So add in characters hated in one region, where nintendo sells WAY MORE, and loved in another region, where PSP/PS2 is kicking nintendos butt."

That kick in the balls didnt hurt, cause I was talking about america, where the PSP/PS2 is kicking Nintedno ds's/gamecubes butt untill the lite came out.

VGcharts.org
http://www.vgcharts.org/usaconscomps.php?name1=DS&name2=PSP&type=0

Clearly PSP was almost caught up with the DS in america, untill the DS lite was released. Im not making this stuff up people. Also xianfeng, do you know anything or do you just babble?

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

I think we're all trying to say the same thing, we're just coming from different sides of the intersection. Basically, what would satisfy EVERYONE would be this setup:

Three Fire Emblem Characters in SSBB:
1) Sigurd/Celice/(etc)
2) Lyn/Hector/Ephraim/(etc)
3) Ike

The most favorable and accepted trio would have to be Ike, Sigurd, Lyn, followed by Ike, Sigurd, Hector, then Ike, Celice, Lyn, etc etc......................down the list.

Now, I'm not too happy about Ike. As I'm sure everyone knows, I hate him with a passion. I don't care if the PoR Magic System is the original, it sucks. This is because I usually fill my party up mainly with mages (and archers, which is another story) and having them all the same spells is so BORING and REPETITIVE. Besides that, I thought Ike's game was dull and lackluster.
BUT, he seems to be the only lord who is somewhat popular in both America and Japan, so his chances are best.

[ONE archer? TWO if you count the one that you HAVE TO KILL??? Don't even talk to me about Astrid]

 

[Tedius Zanarukando]

Sigurd has already Masahiro Sakurai's support. It is said that he has been dreaming of having him playable in the Super Smash Bros. series since the original game. Sigurd also has also gained significant western support since E3 2006. Celice will give spoilers if he makes it in. Also, first-generation FE4 characters are more suited for SSB series than second-generation ones, due to the second-generation characters having variable and unusually high stats and being more likely to give spoilers.

Kabyk-Greenmyst, the Fire Emblem cast should be a quartet, not a trio.

The two quartets would be either: Marth/Sigurd/Ayra/Ike (the eastern one) or Marth/Sigurd/Lyndis/Ike (the western one). The eastern one should be used if Lip from Panel de Pon makes it in.

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Wow, this has been bumped somewhat.

I can't say I'm a strong supporter of Sigurd, mainly because now that FE has been released internationally, it'd be an odd move on Sakurai's behalf to add another Japnese only character when ther are plenty of Internationally known FE characters. Considering how Sakurai said he'd try to stay away from adding Japan only characters, it seems he kind of feels the same way. Sure, he said he may still do so, but I think he'sd talking about characters like Stafy, Takamaru and Demiru rather than Sigurd.

Not to mention that Sakurai has taken more of an interest in Ike, an internationally known and popular Lord, and Marth seems to be just as popular (if not more) as Sigurd and not only is he more significant, but is actually recognised world wide. With 2 blue haired swordsman already likely to get in, another one would seem pretty redundent. Not to mention that it's unlikely that FE will get more than 3 reps at this point (there's even a chance that it's stuck with 2, though hopefully that won't happen).

Granted, Sigurd could still get in, but I think his best chance was in melee when FE was still Japan exclusive. Personally, I think Sigurd's chances of appearing in a Smash game dropped significantly when Sakurai opted for Roy in his stead.

 

[Tedius Zanarukando]

Sakurai opted for Roy instead of Sigurd, because he wanted to promote Roy's game Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi (FE6), which is likely to remain Japan-only. Sigurd's chances of being in Brawl are the same as they were in Melee. Roy is unlikely to return for Brawl, for he already served his purpose. Fire Emblem was originally planned to be represented in the original SSB, but the representation was cancelled due to time and space constraints. Sakurai is also considering Fire Emblem non-Lords, according to this journal.

 

[Zeela12]

You're an idiot Nintendo games sell better in the American/European/Brazilian/Australian/New Zealand market than they do Japan, all of those reagions not just your own, don't pull the american stereotype and pull your head out of your arse thanks mate.


no we want Lyn, Hector, Ephriam and some people want Eliwood and Eirika


And I used to think you were smart, their sword and bow styles are nothing alike plus link also has a hookshot, bombs and boomerang.


we were discussing how they were cool and how Lucius looks like a woman and how Erk pwns


no actually we don't because we arn't all japanophiles or extreme Fire Emblem fanboys.


me too which is sad because Ephriam would be very unique with his lances.

I do not hate Sigurd completely he is just low on my list of fire Emblem characters which goes like this

1. Hector (Fire Emblem 6 and 7)
2. Lyn (Fire Emblem 7)
3. Ephriam (Fire Emblem 8)
4. Miyaka (Fire Emblem 10)
5. Ike (Fire Emblem 9 and possibly 10)
6. Eirika (Fire Emblem 8)
7. Alm (Fire Emblem 2)
8. Lilina (Hector's daughter from Fire Emblem 6, her class is not lord but she is a lord and a mage)
9. Princess chick (Fire Emblem 9, the Pegasus Knight)
10. Sigurd (Fire Emblem 4)

I rank Sigurd lowely even below Alm and Eirika.

heres the real popularity list tho:

1. Ike (no doubts about that)
2. Marth
3. Hector
4. Sigurd
5. Lyn
6. Roy
7. Eliwood
8. Micaiah
9. Ephraim

Alm is all time rated lowest popularity on the lord scale.
Eirka and Lyn are too much alike (Actually I think they are exactly the same?) and Lyn made appearance earlier

personaly I only like Marth, Sigurd, Ephraim, and Micaiah.
I would also want to see Lilina, but since Roy is even having troubles getting in, I doubt Lilina has any chance.

the FE mile stone games:
The Dark Dragon and Sword of Light with Marth
Genealogy of the Holy War with Sigurd
Blazing Sword with Eliwood/Lyn/Hector
Path of Radiance with Ike

so clearly seen here, Sigurd definatly has a change of getting in.
also, I'm sure I've read something a long time ago that Sakurai wanted Sigurd in the original SSB, but he was pushed for time and they didn't get a chance to put him in.


Sigurd is the first lord to appear on horse back, he has blue hair like Marth,

and heres better picture for us all.

This is from the trading card game:

this is original official art:

Here's another card from another set I just found, I like this alot:

 

[LukeFonFabre]

Sakurai opted for Roy instead of Sigurd, because he wanted to promote Roy's game Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi (FE6), which is likely to remain Japan-only. Sigurd's chances of being in Brawl are the same as they were in Melee. Roy is unlikely to return for Brawl, for he already served his purpose. Fire Emblem was originally planned to be represented in the original SSB, but the representation was cancelled due to time and space constraints. Sakurai is also considering Fire Emblem non-Lords, according to this journal.

No, his chances aren't the same as in melee. At that time FE was still Japan only, but now there are internationally known FE games now and Sakurai said he was refraining from adding Japan only characters. Not to mention that Ike seems to have taken the spotlight away from Sigurd in terms of popularity.

And while Roy was put in for advertisement, he is still internationally known and if Sakurai wants to rep the GBA games, he could still decide to use Roy.

 

[NukeA6]

If we need a spear-user, Sigurd is the man for the job. He also uses a sword but he doesn't have to be a Marth clone. I'm with him all the way (even if he doesn't make it in Brawl).

 

[Fawriel]

...this guy looks horribly, horribly uninteresting.

Is he really that likely, and does he really have any redeeming qualities?

 

[Kirby knight]

...this guy looks horribly, horribly uninteresting.

Is he really that likely, and does he really have any redeeming qualities?

You'd really need to play FE4 yourself to get an understanding of Siqurd. He is widely consider edto be the most popular lord in japan and FE4 their favorite Fire Emblem.

Also if Sakurai is clever enough Siqurd could be the first horse riding character in SSBB. ^_^ that would lead into some very unique gameplay.

-Knight

 

[NukeA6]

...this guy looks horribly, horribly uninteresting.

Is he really that likely, and does he really have any redeeming qualities?

Uninteresting? He dresses better than all the other male lords.

Other than the fact that he is a popular lord and that FE4 has been called the best of the series, Sigurd can use spears.

 

[Lord Knight]

His chances look higher with Ike confirmed and Lyn out of the way.

Plus that Lord Knight card looks ****ing awesome.

 

[Bowserlick]

Fire Emblem, while it may be a great series, cannot offer much originality to Brawl in terms of lords. All are weapon users, the most popular being sword users.

Picking a direction and swinging a blade is cool for some attacks, but when that is every attack the character appears uncreative. This is ok for one character with this style (because the regular sword slices and strategic B moves reflect the FE series nature).

But more than one is unnecessary to showcase the series.

That is why I continue to support my long ago presented theory that only one FE lord will be in Smash.

 

[GenG]

Fire Emblem, while it may be a great series, cannot offer much originality to Brawl in terms of lords. All are weapon users, the most popular being sword users.

Picking a direction and swinging a blade is cool for some attacks, but when that is every attack the character appears uncreative. This is ok for one character with this style (because the regular sword slices and strategic B moves reflect the FE series nature).

But more than one is unnecessary to showcase the series.

That is why I continue to support my long ago presented theory that only one FE lord will be in Smash.

Samus, Falcon and Mario share the same ftilt. So are you going to argue with "fist fighters" too?

There are many of them, yet I don't see anybody arguing about how many character fighting with bare hands and kicks. Mario punches forward, upwards, downwards, etc.

Ike and Marth don't play anywhere similar from what we have seen so there's exist a possibility for both to be included, covering different play styles.

 

[Bowserlick]

Samus, Falcon and Mario share the same ftilt. So are you going to argue with "fist fighters" too?

There are many of them, yet I don't see anybody arguing about how many character fighting with bare hands and kicks. Mario punches forward, upwards, downwards, etc.

Ike and Marth don't play anywhere similar from what we have seen so there's exist a possibility for both to be included, covering different play styles.

Samus, Falcon, and Mario do share the same ftilt. But I am talking about an entire moveset that is similar. Also these similar movesets would be from the same franchise and (some of the more popular Lords) Marth, Ike, and Sigurd all would look similar from a distance. Three blue haired, sword weilding characters.

And while Mario, Samus, and Falcon share one move they each bring something to the game. Mario's well balanced Jack of All trades versus Samus's range game, versus Falcon's rushed counterattack strategy.

While one FE character does bring a new element of unique spacing and a sweetspot themed strategy, another does not seem like they could offer more.

And from what we seen it Marth and Ike do look like they play similar. That is why people fear that Marth will be cut.

And don't forget that Sakurai felt that all the FE stages were similar so he just made one up.

 

[GenG]

Well, that's not totally true.

Mario AAA does two punches and a kick.
Falcon AAA does two punches and a knee.

Mario ftilt does a round kick.
Falcon ftilt does a round kick.

Mario dtilt does a low kick.
Falcon dtilt does a low kick.

Mario uair does a flip kick.
Falcon uair does a flip kick.

Metaknight and Link, both use a sword with similar moves. Metaknight just swipes to one direction in all screens we've seen. Link uses mainly swipes except some of his air moves. Many characters punch/kick/headbutt/swipe to one direction. Smash isn't too complex in that sense, since it's a 2D fighter based in range and distance.

Many many characters do the same moves, even the same squeletal animation (like Samus and Falcon utilts or most sex kicks) with the same properties and usages, however this doesn't prove exactly with the swordmen.

Ike is depicted as a heavy swordman with non flinching brutal moves like Aether and even summoning fire from earth. Marth respective moves were different and nowhere as impressive. Marth was a fast and weak character overall (in hitpower and resistance), but had the tippers and a good combo ability. Is very different.

I can understand you though. FE isn't that popular, and one character may be enough. They could've slowered Marth, put him some brutal moves and voila, you have Ike. But Marth still has enough differences with Ike from a gameplay standpoint to guarantee his comeback, and Ike hasn't been totally unveiled yet. If he has a counter and the Sword Dance, maybe then we could seriously start to worry about Marth.

The FE neutral stage could be used to support that many different FE characters will use that stage, not just from Tellius (Ike's continent). It has flags resembling the Dolua Army's (from FE1-3), soldiers wearing Begnion armors (FE9-10) and a lava cavern with a possible dragon.

 

[Derek~Joe]

nope....no love for sigurd.

 

[Lord Knight]

Underground - jail from FE5 perhaps?

Who knows.

As far as character representation though, it seems so far every major Nintendo franchise is getting multiple character representation. DK is the best example, having been alone until now with Diddy, so FE already had two reps in Melee, but it may be different. 2 or 3 is the most realistic.

Also note that what's being shown on the site is more than likely stuff that'll be there from the get go. There can be no update about *insert character here*, and then you play the game and unlock them (Falco, Roy, Ganondorf in Melee).

 

[GenG]

Underground - jail from FE5 perhaps?

After modifying the lighting of the image it seems that the underground is some kind of lava cavern.

A dragon HAS to be there. Is a staple in FE...

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

After modifying the lighting of the image it seems that the underground is some kind of lava cavern.

A dragon HAS to be there. Is a staple in FE...

Medeus?

 

[GenG]

Yeah, it could be Medeus, but for the stage to be neutral it has to be a no name dragon, because there are many through the series (Medeus, Ideoun, Fire Dragon...).

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

Yeah, it could be Medeus, but for the stage to be neutral it has to be a no name dragon, because there are many through the series (Medeus, Ideoun, Fire Dragon...).

Yeah, but I was thinking of dragons in context to being located within a castle. And speaking of Idoun, I'd love it if they would incorporate her battle theme in one of the Fire Emblem tracks, as well as Zephiel's for that matter.

 

[Llumys]

I really hope Sigurd's in Brawl.

Him, along with Ike and Marth would be great representatives for Fire Emblem.

Although, it'd be strange for all of them to have blue hair.

Also, who has a bigger chance of being in, Sigurd or Black Knight?

 

[GenG]

Yeah, but I was thinking of dragons in context to being located within a castle. And speaking of Idoun, I'd love it if they would incorporate her battle theme in one of the Fire Emblem tracks, as well as Zephiel's for that matter.

But Medeus was in the throne room. This dragon lies in a lava cavern which isn't a common place in the series (now I can remember the Chamber of Trial from FE7) but caverns and dragons are very related in tales and medieval fantasy.

Idoun's theme "Shaman in the Dark" is one of the best battle themes in the whole series. Now we know each stage will have a lot of music they should make a medley of each game, or just medleys of the best games. But the more, the merrier.

Also, who has a bigger chance of being in, Sigurd or Black Knight?

Being frank, BK is the rival of a character already in the game, a different swordman and from a worldwide title. Sigurd is the best lord in character and personality but I think his chances aren't too high since his swordplay is very classy compared with Marth and Ike and Genealogy of Holy-War is Japanese only.

Sigurd isn't AT material either. Is like Marth, or playable or trophy, but they don't have super duper special moves to be ATs like Lyn.

 

[Lord Knight]

That image didn't mean anything to me until I really looked at it. Looks like lava to me too.

Being frank, BK is the rival of a character already in the game, a different swordman and from a worldwide title. Sigurd is the best lord in character and personality but I think his chances aren't too high since his swordplay is very classy compared with Marth and Ike and Genealogy of Holy-War is Japanese only.

So you're saying that Sigurd having a different sword style would be a bad thing?

 

[silver777]

Sigurd can use lances and spears.

 

[Fawriel]

Sigurd is the best lord in character and personality

Tell me about it. I'm curious.

 

[GenG]

So you're saying that Sigurd having a different sword style would be a bad thing?

Is not that... while Marth is agile and can do things that many lords can't, like contorting himself in air in an anime fashion while waving the sword over his head... Sigurd is mostly a tank standing there, and never fought off his horse, although the game artwork pictures him on foot.
It may be me... for Sigurd gameplay wise won't offer too much, just an incredibly shining presence.

Tell me about it. I'm curious.

Read his bio, here.

*entering SPOILER MODE*

Spoiler

Sigurd's story was a very tragic drama. He was the perfect guy, loved by everyone, who saw how his whole life is broken apart little by little: Accused of treason and far from their homeland, dead friends, his wife kidnapped, his father poisoned and dead before his eyes, and the drama reaches its climax when Sigurd meets with her lost wife, but she doesn't recognize him. Then he finds about everything moments before being burned to ashes by an old friend. Sigurd's drama continues after his dead, with his sister and brother-in-law dead in an ambush in the Yied desert.

Then, Celice 18 years later would end his father's quest, unveiling the truth and fullfilling vengeance.

Ok, maybe he's not the absolute lord. He's actually tied with Ike in character development, but Sigurd's story is very very sad and discouraging. It makes impact in the player.

 

[Fawriel]

Alright, I am swayed. Sigurd is okay in my book.

... I'd rant now about how I hope nobody suggests him fighting on swordback, but I can almost see Sakurai pulling that off by now.

 

[NukeA6]

*entering SPOILER MODE*

Fire Emblem 4 Spoiler

Spoiler

Sigurd's death was one of the most messed events I've ever seen in a videogame. It was so sad that I almost didn't want to play the game anymore. Not that it sucks; it was just so tragic. I was already favoriting him, Ayra, and Lex and then all of sudden...gone. It's like playing Devil May Cry and Dante dies in a cutscene halfway through the game.

 

[Fawriel]

Fire Emblem 4 Spoiler

Was it so tragic because he died or because you wasted so much effort on a character you wouldn't be able to use anymore?

Well, apparently that didn't harm his popularity. Some drama like this is good to have in a story sometimes. It might not make the player happy, but it sure gets him involved.
Live-A-Live, an obscure old Squaresoft RPG, managed to capture a story about as tragic as that one in a miniature RPG you can beat in half an hour,

Spoiler

resulting in the main character turning evil due to all the injustices he had to endure,

and it was one of the most disturbing bits of story I've ever seen. And I've watched Saikano.
Still, that part is what still keeps that overall weird game fresh in my memories.

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

Was it so tragic because he died or because you wasted so much effort on a character you wouldn't be able to use anymore?

Well, apparently that didn't harm his popularity. Some drama like this is good to have in a story sometimes. It might not make the player happy, but it sure gets him involved.
Live-A-Live, an obscure old Squaresoft RPG, managed to capture a story about as tragic as that one in a miniature RPG you can beat in half an hour,

Spoiler

resulting in the main character turning evil due to all the injustices he had to endure,

and it was one of the most disturbing bits of story I've ever seen. And I've watched Saikano.
Still, that part is what still keeps that overall weird game fresh in my memories.

Maybe for both reasons? But seriously, Sigurd is an awesome character, even from what little I've played of the game. He makes an impact on you almost immediately and I become very disheartened with the news of his imminent demise and all that encompased it (I really HATE that mother****er Manfloy and his fellow cultist ****s... ). Also, he's like the only FE Lord that I have experience with that doesn't SUCK when you start off with him... in fact, he's a badass right from start.

Also, a friend of mine's a big fan of Live-A-Live and he's made mention to me of pretty much all the RPG scenarios to choose from in that game, but I don't seem to recall the one which you're referring to. I'm really compelled to know though...

 

[Homelessvagrant]

He looks like one of those spoiled rich kids that's mad at the world for his peitiful loneliness. I'll take my emo feministic Marth insteed. I can't see much of what Sigurd can offer.

 

[Lord_Deathborne]

He looks like one of those spoiled rich kids that's mad at the world for his peitiful loneliness. I'll take my emo feministic Marth insteed. I can't see much of what Sigurd can offer.

You've clearly failed to grasp the awesomeness that is Sigurd...

 

[Homelessvagrant]

I'm sorry no love here. I just don't see what different taste sigurd could offer.