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[Captain Shwampy]

This and the Korok in the water from demo has Elma's mask and the Korok in the IGN video has Aldo's mask meaning they're the same characters from WW (koroks don't age like Kokiri) are the biggest Red Flags that's its post WW

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[Strider_Bond00J]

So...did you guys enjoy E3?

..now beings the summer drought of news!

I certainly did. (Though it's hard to balance it alongside the dreaded definition of the derivative)

Spoiler: Wall of text for summing up my experience with E3

Nintendo's conference was a solid improvement from E3 2015; The insane gamble worked - Breath of the Wild looks great, and I so anticipate the game. As the ol' Shiggy Miyamoto himself said

A delayed game is eventually good, a rushed game is forever bad.

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I'm really looking forward to seeing Zelda, and regardless of whether it's Wii U or NX, it's a day one purchase.

Sony's conference was pretty great too, the return of Crash and Kojima, new steps for classic franchises such as God of War and Resident Evil, and as expected some stuff on the PSVR. Hopefully there'll be more games that'll be able to utilise it for even more amazing effects and immersion. However, I do think that Final Fantasy XVR is a little pointless given that it's an Action-RPG. The new Spider-Man is great - and especially from the people behind Ratchet and Clank - Insomniac have my trust for sure. On the DC side, Injustice 2 will be great as well.

Admittedly I'm not a huge Microsoft fan, but they seem to be pushing forwards in uniting both the Xbox and PC markets with their new games. If they do plan to, then it's likely that I'll have to update to Windows 10 for my PC to play these games. They did pretty well in my book.

Bethesda did pretty well, I thought. The return of Quake's a neat prospect, and some more Elder Scrolls and Fallout 4 stuff is pretty cool. But we all know that it excited someone in the audience.

Can't say a lot for Ubisoft or EA - Nothing caught my attention from Ubisoft outside of maybe Steep and some Assassin's Creed, and Titanfall 2 is looking pretty good so far. I'm certain EA and DICE will earn a lot from Battlefield 1, so I'll just be satisfied with Titanfall 2 instead.

So I found E3 2016 to be quite enjoyable this time. Everyone brought something cool to share, and I'm very happy that Nintendo has been able to win the wary fanbase and gaming industry's attention again with the new Zelda game.

All in all, it was enjoyable, but during the time when I should be studying...

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Picked up Planet Robobot yesterday. So far, I've completed Patched Plains.

My favorite Copy Ability out of armor is Mirror, and my favorite in armor is Bomb.

 

[FalKoopa]

New animatronic

Kind of like a humanoid Mangle IMO

I thought it looked like Undyne for some reason.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Picked up Planet Robobot yesterday. So far, I've completed Patched Plains.

My favorite Copy Ability out of armor is Mirror, and my favorite in armor is Bomb.

I'm at what I think is the final boss, although I'm going to be the Ex level first

Mirror is definitely the best power.

Although the best armor power is Mic, followed by Ice, Cutter and Spark

 

[Scamper52596]

This and the Korok in the water from demo has Elma's mask and the Korok in the IGN video has Aldo's mask meaning they're the same characters from WW (koroks don't age like Kokiri) are the biggest Red Flags that's its post WW

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One of the biggest reasons I believe BotW is post WW is due to the Koroks looking the same as they do in WW. I see some people say that the Kokiri could've evolved into the Koroks in any timeline, and while I agree with that notion, the problem I have with that is the fact that in every 3D Zelda game with its own art style objects and characters also have their own unique look and style. Since the Koroks here are unmistakably identical to the ones in WW that tells me the developers want me to identify them with being from that specific game. If BotW was set in another timeline, I feel as if the developers would've changed their art style at least a little to reflect that.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

One of the biggest reasons I believe BotW is post WW is due to the Koroks looking the same as they do in WW. I see some people say that the Kokiri could've evolved into the Koroks in any timeline, and while I agree with that notion, the problem I have with that is the fact that in every 3D Zelda game with its own art style objects and characters also have their own unique look and style. Since the Koroks here are unmistakably identical to the ones in WW that tells me the developers want me to identify them with being from that specific game. If BotW was set in another timeline, I feel as if the developers would've changed their art style at least a little to reflect that.

SS is also the same general artstyle as this overall. But that's before the timeline split.

I don't think the artstyle means much in this case. It's just the latest one they used, and they're keeping with it. Koroks in general existing is what suggests it could be part of the WW timeline. But as noted, they can clearly exist after OOT in general, so it is at best a theory, regardless of their design. Also, that design happens to blend in well with BOTW's, so that's a good reason to use it. We'll have to see where it fits in, but I wouldn't say it's definitely part of the WW timeline.

 

[Sir Gengar de Èctoplasma]

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Agreed

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Zelda should just get her own game.

But Zelda already has two games! Doesn't anyone remember the masterpieces on CD-i?

So...did you guys enjoy E3?

..now beings the summer drought of news!

Yes. I liked Sony and Nintendo's presentations, but unfortunately I couldn't watch neither live.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That moment when you give up your favorite power to solve a puzzle

and the reward is only a 1-up

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

But Zelda already has two games! Doesn't anyone remember the masterpieces on CD-i?

Link also had a legit personality in those, not an extremely flat one.

Nintendo really needs to look at them for good ideas on how to make a character properly. If they don't want Link to be basically you instead, giving him a far bigger personality than the extremely generic hero. They aren't really trying to make him better than a blank slate at this point. Whenever someone speaks to him(in which in many cases, you cannot reply with any literal dialogue), you're essentially saying dialogue, which they understand. Another way to put it is that you're literally choosing dialogue for him because the game doesn't. They're doing a fairly poor job of making Link feel like his own character in canon, instead of just you. That's the issue with the blank slate complaints, because he doesn't feel more than flat. Also, giving him nothing but customization options is not helping that complaint.

Also, the CD-i games were far more progressive in representing women protagonists than any other Zelda game canon-wise. That's saying a lot. Like, there's no reason Zelda cannot be playable. If you don't want her to having Link's same options, that's fine. Make her play differently. You can still have some of the same items, but her actual battle style can be more unique. The issue is that Zelda, unlike Link, is not normally a simple adventurous hero. She's willing to fight, as shown in TP and when she became Sheik(Sheik wasn't created simply just to have a battle form, but to hide from Ganondorf. She could clearly be agile if she tries, she'd just have to change out of a dress and put on a skirt and/or pants instead).

 

[Scamper52596]

SS is also the same general artstyle as this overall. But that's before the timeline split.

I don't think the artstyle means much in this case. It's just the latest one they used, and they're keeping with it. Koroks in general existing is what suggests it could be part of the WW timeline. But as noted, they can clearly exist after OOT in general, so it is at best a theory, regardless of their design. Also, that design happens to blend in well with BOTW's, so that's a good reason to use it. We'll have to see where it fits in, but I wouldn't say it's definitely part of the WW timeline.

Eh, I don't really see it as the same art style used in SS. I see it as kind of like an updated version of that art style with elements from WW. Character models in BotW kind of seem reminiscent of the ones in SS with enemy designs and cel shading more reminiscent of WW. I view it as a best of both worlds while still having a unique take of its own. And I'm obviously not suggesting it definitely takes place in the WW timeline, but given all the information we just got I'm personally choosing to believe it's the most likely spot. That could still change once we get more information. After all, I originally believed like many others that it was post SS and before MC before the new demo and trailer.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Eh, I don't really see it as the same art style used in SS. I see it as kind of like an updated version of that art style with elements from WW. Character models in BotW kind of seem reminiscent of the ones in SS with enemy designs and cel shading more reminiscent of WW. I view it as a best of both worlds while still having a unique take of its own. And I'm obviously not suggesting it definitely takes place in the WW timeline, but given all the information we just got I'm personally choosing to believe it's the most likely spot. That could still change once we get more information. After all, I originally believed like many others that it was post SS and before MC before the new demo and trailer.

Ah, fair enough.

And I really just see SS with even more colors. I'm still getting a SS feel in a lot of it. Link not starting with the tunic and getting it far later does not help.

Regardless, I'd be entirely okay with it if it took place away from WW. As we know, the Zoras became the Ritos due to the events before WW. If I remember right, the Gods changed them so they couldn't find the flooded Hyrule. Koroks, in this case, had a different area to live in that wasn't like a regular village. They clearly can live better in their current form in not just a harder to find place, but a more protected spot near the Deku Tree.

So why are they in BOTW? Best guess is that there's no village, and they're safest in a form that can fly away fast. But it doesn't have anything to do with WW, since there was a good reason they stopped using their human forms. It suggests to me that it has nothing to do with WW, but just that it's the safest form to be in. Also, to be fair, there's few designs for Koroks. Have they even been in a game beyond WW?

 

[Scamper52596]

Ah, fair enough.

And I really just see SS with even more colors. I'm still getting a SS feel in a lot of it. Link not starting with the tunic and getting it far later does not help.

Regardless, I'd be entirely okay with it if it took place away from WW. As we know, the Zoras became the Ritos due to the events before WW. If I remember right, the Gods changed them so they couldn't find the flooded Hyrule. Koroks, in this case, had a different area to live in that wasn't like a regular village. They clearly can live better in their current form in not just a harder to find place, but a more protected spot near the Deku Tree.

So why are they in BOTW? Best guess is that there's no village, and they're safest in a form that can fly away fast. But it doesn't have anything to do with WW, since there was a good reason they stopped using their human forms. It suggests to me that it has nothing to do with WW, but just that it's the safest form to be in. Also, to be fair, there's few designs for Koroks. Have they even been in a game beyond WW?

I like to think that they were once the Kikwi from SS before they evolved into the Kokiri. That's the first thing I thought of when I saw them in SS anyway. And when we left the Koroks in WW, they were tasked with helping to grow new life so that one day the flood might recede and Hyrule would become uncovered. Link even gets to help them start that task in a side quest. So my guess is that this game's Hyrule is the result of them fulfilling their task. Not sure why they stuck around though. Maybe they just don't have anything better to do at this point than hide as Old Hyrule started to become repopulated.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm doomed.

My family and I work with foreign exchange students during the summer and every year we find host families for them.

We were doing pretty good with only two more to find, but things just kept going and going...

Now we have six to find because people kept canceling at the last minute and the interested people that we do find have awful homes (last one literally had **** on the walls and floor).

We need all those families by the 28th.

I have no idea how we can find them all by this point.

We may get fired and we may have to give money back to the company...

I have no idea how my family is going to get through this...

Just... pray. Wish me luck. Whatever. We need all the help we can get.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Ok I died to what I think is the final form of the final boss

But, does he look like another kirby character as a reference or is that the intention?

I guess I could find out if I beat him

 

[Swamp Sensei]

But, does he look like another kirby character as a reference or is that the intention?

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It's Nova from Kirby Super Star.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

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It's Nova from Kirby Super Star.

It's extremely ironic the stickers I picked for my mech were Mr. Shine and Mr. Bright

 

[Scamper52596]

I'm doomed.

My family and I work with foreign exchange students during the summer and every year we find host families for them.

We were doing pretty good with only two more to find, but things just kept going and going...

Now we have six to find because people kept canceling at the last minute and the interested people that we do find have awful homes (last one literally had **** on the walls and floor).

We need all those families by the 28th.

I have no idea how we can find them all by this point.

We may get fired and we may have to give money back to the company...

I have no idea how my family is going to get through this...

Just... pray. Wish me luck. Whatever. We need all the help we can get.

My prayers go out to you and your family. Sorry to hear how unfortunately everything has gone so far...

 

[ChikoLad]

Has this been posted yet?
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/06/...al-in-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/

This is really silly.

The wording is terrible, he literally says "while his gender is most definitely male, he's also gender neutral".

They just really don't want to use the word "sex" even in this context.

Also in general I feel like he phoned this in just to pander to people who were crying about the lack of a female option.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Has this been posted yet?
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/06/...al-in-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/

This is really silly.

The wording is terrible, he literally says "while his gender is most definitely male, he's also gender neutral".

They just really don't want to use the word "sex" even in this context.

Also in general I feel like he phoned this in just to pander to people who were crying about the lack of a female option.

Of course he did.

Everyone has to these days

 

[Swamp Sensei]

My prayers go out to you and your family. Sorry to hear how unfortunately everything has gone so far...

Thank you.

 

[Frostwraith]

Frostwraith Hey, I was wondering if it would be alright if I would post a thread in this sub-forum regarding my E3 experience at the event this year. I have many high quality exclusive pictures, videos and stories I'd like to share with the community. Hong referred me to ask you in this thread, so woot, hello, here I am!

Hey!

Considering that you were at E3, I think the community would benefit from your experience, reading impressions and look at pictures.

So yeah, go ahead!

 

[Wolfie557]

This and the Korok in the water from demo has Elma's mask and the Korok in the IGN video has Aldo's mask meaning they're the same characters from WW (koroks don't age like Kokiri) are the biggest Red Flags that's its post WW

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The Koroks are actually my second last favourite races in Zelda, beaten only by those ****** things in one of the DS games.

So yeah. Not excited about thier return at all but I accept. It's at least a clue to the timeline placement and story.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Has this been posted yet?
https://mynintendonews.com/2016/06/...al-in-the-legend-of-zelda-breath-of-the-wild/

This is really silly.

The wording is terrible, he literally says "while his gender is most definitely male, he's also gender neutral".

They just really don't want to use the word "sex" even in this context.

Also in general I feel like he phoned this in just to pander to people who were crying about the lack of a female option.

You don't even have to use sex or gender either. A good amount of people do know the difference, but it's still better to properly describe it. And yeah, this is a really huge copout.

Simply say "Link was physically designed this time around to not look like a Male or Female. Link is still officially male, however."

Boom, no words that they think will confuse people, and clear as day. I'm pretty sure this is what they actually meant, but described severely badly.

 

[Wolfie557]

I know it's a lot of work but I need Gamexplain to post part 1 of thier Zelda analysis already!

Is that too much to ask??

 

[FalKoopa]

I'm doomed.

My family and I work with foreign exchange students during the summer and every year we find host families for them.

We were doing pretty good with only two more to find, but things just kept going and going...

Now we have six to find because people kept canceling at the last minute and the interested people that we do find have awful homes (last one literally had **** on the walls and floor).

We need all those families by the 28th.

I have no idea how we can find them all by this point.

We may get fired and we may have to give money back to the company...

I have no idea how my family is going to get through this...

Just... pray. Wish me luck. Whatever. We need all the help we can get.

Sorry to hear that. Hope somehow you can turn around this situation.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I know it's a lot of work but I need Gamexplain to post part 1 of thier Zelda analysis already!

Is that too much to ask??

As long as they try to properly explain what Aonuma means, and not awful translations like Sonicbrawler pointed out, sure. Otherwise, it'll just make things worse. All we need is better explanations, that's all.

 

[Wolfie557]

As long as they try to properly explain what Aonuma means, and not awful translations like Sonicbrawler pointed out, sure. Otherwise, it'll just make things worse. All we need is better explanations, that's all.

I was hoping more of a......"secrets and hidden details" thing, not a discussion.

I believe I understand Aonuma perfectly. Where is the confusion coming from?

 

[True Blue Warrior]

What's new?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I was hoping more of a......"secrets and hidden details" thing, not a discussion.

I believe I understand Aonuma perfectly. Where is the confusion coming from?

Here's the problem; Gender and Sex have entirely different meanings. The thing is, not everybody is clearly going to get what Aonuma is intending to say due to that. I know what he means, but that was an awful way to put it. A more clear translation/proper wording is the only real way to fix the problem.

Trust me, a lot of people are going to get confused. Gender-Neutral has no real meaning, except that the character is neither female or male in any way. They're basically lacking any kind of mental sex. Sex-Neutral means the character's physical body doesn't cater to a male or female design. The second term, sex-neutral, is what Aonuma is actually saying. Link being clearly male is the mental gender instead. The terms clash due to how little it makes sense. They can either stop using the words sex and gender, and be blatantly clear in a far better way; "Link was not physically designed to be male or female, but the character is still officially male. We went with this physical design so players can connect easier to the character." That's just a good way to say what he means. Words have meanings, and Sex and Gender have had largely different meanings for a while now. In fact, these meanings and people misusing them is a big problem for transexuals for a while now. As a transgender(it means I haven't physically transitioned), I have to deal with this problem quite often. I am physically male. I identify as female. My sex is male(at this time), which is a physical thing. My gender is female(which is a mental thing). The key reason these words are split up is that saying they're the same thing implies that a person cannot be male if their genitals are female, or vice versa. This is wrong. And this has to be called out or nothing will get fixed.

 

[Frostwraith]

I have yet to understand what's the big deal about Link's gender.

He's always been effeminate, but male. You know, like every bishounen character ubiquitous in Japanese media, notably video games, manga and anime.

The Legend of Zelda has always been anime inspired in its art. It's nothing new, really, but people pretend it is with every game. lol

 

[True Blue Warrior]

So you guys think Nintendo will announce their planned TV shows around the same time as the NX reveal?

 

[Strofirko]

Someone brought world war blue pages ago,well I think mario and luigi have some interesting designs,but again that's it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I have yet to understand what's the big deal about Link's gender.

He's always been effeminate, but male. You know, like every bishounen character ubiquitous in Japanese media, notably video games, manga and anime.

The Legend of Zelda has always been anime inspired in its art. It's nothing new, really, but people pretend it is with every game. lol

Again, the issue isn't what his sex is at all. Not anymore, at least(we now know the Spirit of the Hero actually does choose males only to inhabit, which means there's an in-story reason Link cannot be female. What people however are still annoyed about is Aonuma won't let us play as a female in general as the main protagonist(or at least their only full story) in a canon Zelda game in general, which is far worse than changing a character's established sex). Some just were under the impression that Link's sex should match your own due to how his character was designed to represent you. This isn't really that big of a deal. It's Aonuma shooting himself in the foot every time he talks at this point that are getting people riled up.

As I pointed out before, the gender and sex thing is a problem for some people. At the very least, this is just an honestly poor translation. Unfortunately, there's going to be many who don't bother to look at the point he's making and just the words he used. It's definitely true the choice of words were poor. Not much can be done about that. What worries me is how poorly people will react instead of attempt to see the overall point. And sadly, that's gonna be a lot of misunderstandings.-_-

 

[Frostwraith]

Again, the issue isn't what his sex is at all. Not anymore, at least(we now know the Spirit of the Hero actually does choose males only to inhabit, which means there's an in-story reason Link cannot be female. What people however are still annoyed about is Aonuma won't let us play as a female in general in a canon Zelda game in general, which is far worse than changing a character's established sex). Some just were under the impression that Link's sex should match your own due to how his character was designed to represent you. This isn't really that big of a deal. It's Aonuma shooting himself in the foot every time he talks at this point that are getting people riled up.

As I pointed out before, the gender and sex thing is a problem for some people. At the very least, this is just an honestly poor translation. Unfortunately, there's going to be many who don't bother to look at the point he's making and just the words he used. It's definitely true the choice of words were poor. Not much can be done about that. What worries me is how poorly people will react instead of attempt to see the overall point. And sadly, that's gonna be a lot of misunderstandings.-_-

I don't think there's this much of an issue about Link's gender.

It's a long-running series that's been around for 30 years and Link has always been male and slightly effeminate.

The games have always stuck to the tradition in this regard, so why fix what's not broken?

Some games have male protagonists, others have female protagonists. I honestly don't see the big deal. I've played games with both genders of protagonists just fine. Same for movies, anime, manga and other works of fiction.

There's more to a character than gender, IMO. Star Wars: The Force Awakens was just fine with a girl MC, just as previous Star Wars movies were fine with guys.

Aonuma probably didn't even consider the whole gender thing until SJWs decided to start all this fuss surrounding video games.

Anyway, I think it would be a nice change of pace to have more characters playable in mainline Zelda games. That would be fun. Some games even went a bit into that territory like Wind Waker with Medli and Makar or Spirit Tracks having a controllable spirit Zelda that possesses Phantoms. They could expand on those ideas with more full-fledged playable characters.

However, I don't think it should be forced. It should suit a particular game's vision and thematic.

All in all, I think game creators should be free to make their games and characters as they see fit. Zelda has a guy MC, likewise, Bayonetta or Tomb Raider have female MCs.

I don't think the whole "oooh, female character in a video game" should be a big deal, though I do agree there's a bigger amount of (and bias towards to) male MCs in gaming overall.

People seriously need to calm down and not look too into things. Especially not when there are far more important issues in regards to gender equality throughout the world.

 

[Radical Bones]

I'm at a party with 'my girlfriends friends'. I put it in quotation marks because it feels more like a cliche than anything.

Eugh. Obvs there's a few that are great, but the rest...

 

[Strofirko]

RIO Olympics may be cancelled,gr8.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

RIO Olympics may be cancelled,gr8.

Source?

 

[Strofirko]

Source?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ics-brazil-finances-public-calamity/86055924/

This is exactly what we got when the government is too busy stabbing each other.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

I'm doomed.

My family and I work with foreign exchange students during the summer and every year we find host families for them.

We were doing pretty good with only two more to find, but things just kept going and going...

Now we have six to find because people kept canceling at the last minute and the interested people that we do find have awful homes (last one literally had **** on the walls and floor).

We need all those families by the 28th.

I have no idea how we can find them all by this point.

We may get fired and we may have to give money back to the company...

I have no idea how my family is going to get through this...

Just... pray. Wish me luck. Whatever. We need all the help we can get.

Sorry to hear about that dude, I hope you and your family will find a way through this.