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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

Billybae10K

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Would your ideal GoldenSun HD collection be full 3D remake, handdrawn sprites, or Octopath style?

I think I'd lean Octopath personally.
I'd certainly like 3D Remake in the style of Dark Dawn, but with better textures. Like, I know it was the DS but the world map for DD was one of the ugliest things to look at. A full on update with more detailed models with Isaac getting the model we all know he'll have in Smash obviously ;)
 

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Would Isaac fans want a moveset with:
  • A little bit of sword with Alchemy
  • More sword less Alchemy
  • Or no sword
?
 
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Tilts, and aerials to use his sword, smashes and specials to use alchemy.
 

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I'd certainly like 3D Remake in the style of Dark Dawn, but with better textures. Like, I know it was the DS but the world map for DD was one of the ugliest things to look at. A full on update with more detailed models with Isaac getting the model we all know he'll have in Smash obviously ;)
What Mario Tennis aces has showed us is how beautiful Camelot can make a world map on Switch. There's even a part on the world map where you ride on a boat on the world map which instantly reminded me of the Lemurian ship from the Lost Age
 

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What Mario Tennis aces has showed us is how beautiful Camelot can make a world map on Switch. There's even a part on the world map where you ride on a boat on the world map which instantly reminded me of the Lemurian ship from the Lost Age
Agreed. I've been streaming Aces over the past two nights and I was struck by how the world map felt so interesting to look at. Not to mention the world map music in Aces is extremely catchy and made me nostalgic for the Golden Sun map themes and the Mario Golf: Advance Tour music as well. Camelot knows how to do world maps.
 

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Agreed. I've been streaming Aces over the past two nights and I was struck by how the world map felt so interesting to look at. Not to mention the world map music in Aces is extremely catchy and made me nostalgic for the Golden Sun map themes and the Mario Golf: Advance Tour music as well. Camelot knows how to do world maps.
I have a feeling if Camelot was going to make a Golden Sun on Switch they'd borrow assets from Mario Tennis Aces
 

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Would it kill Camelot to put Isaac in Mario Tennis Aces as a secret boss in story mode? That'd be an awesome consolation prize if he doesn't make it into Smash.
 

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Would it kill Camelot to put Isaac in Mario Tennis Aces as a secret boss in story mode? That'd be an awesome consolation prize if he doesn't make it into Smash.
I've never understood why Isaac at the bare minimum never became playable in a Mario Tennis/Golf game. They go to the trouble of creating all those humans but not advertise their mascot? Maybe they would be seeing that interest in a GS4 they wanted oh so badly.
 

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Would Isaac fans want a moveset with:
  • A little bit of sword with Alchemy
  • More sword less Alchemy
  • Or no sword
?
A liiiiiiiittle bit of sword, mostly Venus Psynergy with a little bit of Djinn to go with it.
I had a moveset I created before Smash 4 was released, I'll try to find it again and see if it still looks good.

Edit: Found it!
https://imgur.com/LiIeb2J
It's far from being a piece of art, but yeah, I get participation points, right? :drshrug:
 
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A mixture of sword and Psyenergy. I also seem to be the only one that wants him to not use Djinn in his moveset outside of a taunt.
If they could make Djinn work, I would absolutely be all for it because Isaac would have one of the most unique mechanics. It might overcomplicate him though, so if Djinn were an item instead, I wouldn't complain.
 

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A liiiiiiiittle bit of sword, mostly Venus Psynergy with a little bit of Djinn to go with it.
I had a moveset I created before Smash 4 was released, I'll try to find it again and see if it still looks good.


Edit: Found it! https://imgur.com/LiIeb2J
It's far from being a piece of art, but yeah, I get participation points, right? :drshrug:
Oh wow, Golden Sun screenshots where Ivan isn't down :p
 

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This post triggers me more than it should. I try to go through any RPG where every battle finishes with all party members alive and you can understand why I'm getting horrible flashbacks right now.
I have fond memories of attempting to get Ivan to use his summons as quickly as humanly possible before he goes down for maximum damage. Classic Ivan. Least he can read minds :p
 

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Would Isaac fans want a moveset with:
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  • More sword less Alchemy
  • Or no sword
?
I don't think the sword is that important to Isaac, considering he can also wield an axe. So I'd rather they kept any sword attacks for his standard smash attacks and focused on psynergy for his specials.

You could probably make a move set for Isaac without any sword attacks really. For example I don't think a sword is as important to Isaac as it supposedly is to Ganondorf.

I feel like weapon unleashes could be a good way of incorporating sword attacks into Isaacs moveset though.
 
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I don't think the sword is that important to Isaac, considering he can also wield an axe. So I'd rather they kept any sword attacks for his standard smash attacks and focused on psynergy for his specials.

You could probably make a move set for Isaac without any sword attacks really. For example I don't think a sword is as important to Isaac as it supposedly is to Ganondorf.

I feel like weapon unleashes could be a good way of incorporating sword attacks into Isaacs moveset though.
Even if they treat the sword like Captain Falcon's gun and make him just focus on psynergy and djinn I'll still dig it
 

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Even if they treat the sword like Captain Falcon's gun and make him just focus on psynergy and djinn I'll still dig it
What if he uses the sword as a taunt and puts it away immediately afterwards ala Ganondorf? It could be hilariously ironic to see that the character already has a unique moveset and doesn't need a sword.
 

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I’ve lost hope again. Isaac isn’t in the game. And this whole speculation cycle has been ruined for me.
 

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I’ve lost hope again. Isaac isn’t in the game. And this whole speculation cycle has been ruined for me.
Isn't this a bit dramatic? I mean nothing has even happened recently. (at first I thought you meant Isaac had been revealed as an assist on the official website...)
 

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Isn't this a bit dramatic? I mean nothing has even happened recently. (at first I thought you meant Isaac had been revealed as an assist on the official website...)
It probably is. But the speculation has just worn me down. Too many fake leaks. Too many people down on his chances, too much waiting.

Isaac’s not going to make it. Golden Sun is dead forever. We’ll probably only get like, four more characters, and one of them will probably be wasted on a third party.
 

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It probably is. But the speculation has just worn me down. Too many fake leaks. Too many people down on his chances, too much waiting.

Isaac’s not going to make it. Golden Sun is dead forever. We’ll probably only get like, four more characters, and one of them will probably be wasted on a third party.
It definitely is. Your first mistake was getting bogged down in speculation and the opinions of other people. Nobody on Smashboards has any control over what will happen, no matter how confident they may seem.

The only thing that really mattered that we had any say in was the ballot, and that's long since finished.

After that Sakurai is the only person who can decide who gets in. Not some person on Smashboards, no matter how detailed or forceful their arguments are. (I mean I'm pretty sure there are people on Smashboards who typed paragraphs and paragraphs of seemingly well reasoned logic as to why Ridley was never getting into Smash Bros)

You're just upsetting yourself for no good reason.
 
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It probably is. But the speculation has just worn me down. Too many fake leaks. Too many people down on his chances, too much waiting.

Isaac’s not going to make it. Golden Sun is dead forever. We’ll probably only get like, four more characters, and one of them will probably be wasted on a third party.
Smash 4 speculation period was way worse. Two years of hit and miss PotDs, wondering when trailers will come out, and watching so many predictions be horribly off-base.

I don't for a second believe the reduction in newcomers will be as drastic as some people make it. Sure, I'm not going in with expectations to avoid disappointment, but we don't know how much effort these revamps really took and we don't know what's been changed in the way of modes. Sakurai could just as likely mean "a couple fewer newcomers than base Smash 4" or "don't expect an increase of newcomers versus base Smash 4".

Do I expect Isaac? No, but there have been plenty of polls that might give an idea of how high up he could possible be. People being down on a character's chances is nothing new and shouldn't be taken as gospel. Speculators are so often completely blindsided that it's not even funny. At least half of the roster shouldn't be here if we looked only at probability.

And third parties really aren't a waste. In this type of fanservice-focused roster, the only thing that's a waste for the base game is promotional characters.
 

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It probably is. But the speculation has just worn me down. Too many fake leaks. Too many people down on his chances, too much waiting.

Isaac’s not going to make it. Golden Sun is dead forever. We’ll probably only get like, four more characters, and one of them will probably be wasted on a third party.
Smashboards is an echo chamber and doesn't reflect the truth of what's going on. I've read quite a few of the "leaks" myself and yeah, Isaac doesn't show up on too many of them, but that's no reason to be down about it. Yeah, it may seem like there's not many of us Isaac supporters and that his franchise is dead in the water, but that's not the case.

There's tons of us out there, vocal and silent, waiting and hoping. This cycle isn't going to be easy but until it's officially confirmed that he's either not in the game, an assist or playable, there's no reason to be down on yourself. Perhaps taking a day or two away from the speculation could help?
 

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I don't really care about speculation this time around. (I only think Simon Belmont is likely because of the leak and K. Rool because of his overwhelming popularity. After that I wouldn't dare to think what could happen)

Aside from the fact that it can be stressful (which seems really unnecessary) there's also the fact that we were so bad at predicting Smash 4, there were so many characters we didn't see coming.

There just doesn't seem to be a point to speculation now, aside from wanting to sound like you're smart and have everything figured out.
 

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I don't really care about speculation this time around. (I only think Simon Belmont is likely because of the leak and K. Rool because of his overwhelming popularity. After that I wouldn't dare to think what could happen)
And to be honest, I'm skeptical of this leak. Nothing that he called out was exactly a huge shock (Snake could be argued) aside from Simon Belmont and the Minecraft stage, and neither of those have been confirmed yet. Vergeben has had inconsistent results with his sources in the past, and there was actually a 4chan leaker who leaked all the revealed info verbatim (linking this video since 4chan thread is dead now). Unlike this leak, Vergeben didn't get Daisy nor did he get the other cut characters returning. That would've solidified its credibility.
 
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When you guys played Golden Sun, did you mix and match Djinn to change classes? I actually like the idea of a custom class system, but having to put different elemental Djinns onto the Adepts was too uncomfortable to me I'm starting to wonder if maybe I'm a bit OCD. I'm replaying GS now and I see I've missed out on a pretty big game mechanic.
In the end, I prefered the original classes. But there where some cool ones in the bunch. In the early game, switching Venus and Mars Djinn for Isaac and Garet is quite beneficial. Garet becomes stronger and faster, and the Psynergy is just very strong early on. Soon as Isaac learns Ragnarok, I want him to have the Venus Djinn yet again. Barbarian classes are cool for Garet, but not so much for Isaac. Specific fights for specific set ups also work. I liked the Jupiter / Venus Djinn classes for Isaac as well for example, Thunder Mine looked great.

Ivan can only really benefit from Mars Djinn though. I really dislike anything else but Mars and Jupiter on Ivan. He's too frail to be the main healer, and if everyone remains original, having Isaac and Mia heal when it's needed is more than enough. Also, my strategies often have Ivan spam High Impact for the Attack boosts.

I also rarely used Djinn to attack, only if I needed Summons for boss fights. Buff Isaac's attack up, let him spam his weapon or Ragnarok / Oddysey, and let the others either heal or Djinn spam or Summon. That's my general strategy if I was fighting a tough boss.

Would your ideal GoldenSun HD collection be full 3D remake, handdrawn sprites, or Octopath style?

I think I'd lean Octopath personally.
I think some sort of mix between the cel shaded style of Breath of the Wild and Octopath would fit well. The scenery, Psynergy and Summons need to be breath taking.
 
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Isaac's inclusion would be a massive surprise.

It would be neat just for that factor alone.

Seemingly rising from the ashes of dead and forgotten Brawl content.

The out of no where factor would be hype as heck.
 

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I wonder what his reveal trailer would be like? I've been trying to visualize it for days but I've had no luck in figuring out a really good way to introduce him.
 

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I wonder what his reveal trailer would be like? I've been trying to visualize it for days but I've had no luck in figuring out a really good way to introduce him.
I'm a big fan of not providing context or clues to the newcomer in the trailer until the moment they show up and get their newcomer tagline. My vision was always him using his Psynergy hand out of nowhere to save somebody (perhaps they're in a fight and about to be finished off by a villain?).
 

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I wonder what his reveal trailer would be like? I've been trying to visualize it for days but I've had no luck in figuring out a really good way to introduce him.
Maybe Shulk and Ness are fighting Master Hand. Shulk gets hit to the edge of arena. He then has a future vision of Ness getting KO'd by Master Hand rocket punch. He calls out to Ness to get out of the way but Ness doesn't hear him. As the rocket punch goes off, suddenly a bright glowing hand appears and blocks it. Close up on Shulk and Ness each acting surprised. A rock pillar shoots up from under Master Hand sending him flying upwards, then we see Isaac falling towards him sword in hand and get a splash screen.

I like this idea because it pay homage to the other two Nintendo JRPGs that aren't Pokemon. Plus it can shows Isaac's glowing hand and earthbending before you even see the sword, hopefully preventing "Just another swordsman" comments like I heard with Shulk after his trailer.
 

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Maybe Shulk and Ness are fighting Master Hand. Shulk gets hit to the edge of arena. He then has a future vision of Ness getting KO'd by Master Hand rocket punch. He calls out to Ness to get out of the way but Ness doesn't hear him. As the rocket punch goes off, suddenly a bright glowing hand appears and blocks it. Close up on Shulk and Ness each acting surprised. A rock pillar shoots up from under Master Hand sending him flying upwards, then we see Isaac falling towards him sword in hand and get a splash screen.

I like this idea because it pay homage to the other two Nintendo JRPGs that aren't Pokemon. Plus it can shows Isaac's glowing hand and earthbending before you even see the sword, hopefully preventing "Just another swordsman" comments like I heard with Shulk after his trailer.
I'm glad that it's not just me who thinks that Shulk would fit great in a trailer for Isaac. They've got a few parallels as characters.
 

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I wonder what his reveal trailer would be like? I've been trying to visualize it for days but I've had no luck in figuring out a really good way to introduce him.
Imagine it's a random character using an assist trophy and Isaac pops out but instead of helping that said character he turns around and attacks them thus the gameplay starts (i'm joking but it'd be the most epic troll move in Smash history)
 

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Imagine it's a random character using an assist trophy and Isaac pops out but instead of helping that said character he turns around and attacks them thus the gameplay starts (i'm joking but it'd be the most epic troll move in Smash history)
If any Assist Trophies get promoted in DLC, this is what I want.

Actually, come to think of it, if Isaac gets in, wouldn't a Djinn make a cool AT to replace him?
 

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Imagine it's a random character using an assist trophy and Isaac pops out but instead of helping that said character he turns around and attacks them thus the gameplay starts (i'm joking but it'd be the most epic troll move in Smash history)
I wouldn't put it past Sakurai. Did you see what he tried to pull at the start of the E3 trailer?
 

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I wouldn't put it past Sakurai. Did you see what he tried to pull at the start of the E3 trailer?
Someone in the K Rool thread awhile back was straw-grasping that that was a hint for K Rool since DKC does a end fakeout with him. It would be funny if Sakurai started doing troll-y hints for this game.

Would anything be good troll foreshadowing for Isaac? Something sneaky in a Direct that Isaac fans would pick up on, but not actually believe was an intentional hint?
 

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Someone in the K Rool thread awhile back was straw-grasping that that was a hint for K Rool since DKC does a end fakeout with him. It would be funny if Sakurai started doing troll-y hints for this game.

Would anything be good troll foreshadowing for Isaac? Something sneaky in a Direct that Isaac fans would pick up on, but not actually believe was an intentional hint?
Before E3, somebody literally suggested a fakeout like that and how it would hint at Rool and it's all I could think of when I saw it for real.

It's not exactly a funny "troll" hint but I think an overly long camera focus on the sun at the end of a trailer might get some people suspicious and speculative. No way would people believe it's an intentional hint before thinking it's just a cinematic perspective to fade out on.
 
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