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Sunrise, Sunset - Isaac for Smash Ultimate #GoldenSunday

DJBor

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The chances of a new Golden Sun are primarily based on how badly Nintendo wants a new Mario Tennis. The most recent of these is coming out this year on 3DS, so maaaaaaybe but they probably want to port one to the Switch so it's unlikely.
 
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Even though it's been years since the Melee days, Isaac is still one of mine most wanted newcomers.

I tweeted to Monolith in the past the idea of working with Camelot on the next Golden Sun. Though I doubt it will happen, I'm hoping mine tweet stuck in the back of their mind.

Even though I already own Golden Sun 1&2 both for the GBA and Wii U virtual console, I'm hoping they'll release them for the Switch as well.
 
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I found this remix in my YouTube subscription box, and I thought it'd be appropriate to post it here.


(I support Isaac, by the way.)
 

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I support this. If he does make it in I want his grabs to utilize move.
 

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I wish they remake the first 2 GS games, they are fine as they are, but i would like to see it reimagined with new graphics and remastered music.
 

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I found this remix in my YouTube subscription box, and I thought it'd be appropriate to post it here.


(I support Isaac, by the way.)
It warms my heart whenever a new Golden Sun remix comes out.
 
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N3ON

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And here I am, just posting an undoubtably fake GS4 leak. Only makes me want a real one even more. :(


Brings me back to the days of fake GS3 leaks.
 
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NonSpecificGuy

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And here I am, just posting an undoubtably fake GS4 leak. Only makes me want a real one even more. :(


Brings me back to the days of fake GS3 leaks.
I don't think this is real in any way, though it does look pretty well done, but you never know what Nintendo could be doing with the Switch. If they do plan on making this their sole console in the next couple years it could make a Golden Sun 4 on Switch more likely. I'm very 'wait and see' with the franchise right now.
 
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And here I am, just posting an undoubtably fake GS4 leak. Only makes me want a real one even more. :(


Brings me back to the days of fake GS3 leaks.
It's fake, but it's well-done. And, to be honest, I'm glad somebody went out of their way to make it.
 

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I'll take fake leaks for now. Atleast they help increase awareness for the franchise. The Solar Soothsayer leak was very fake but atleast it got people to talk more about Golden Sun.
 

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And here I am, just posting an undoubtably fake GS4 leak. Only makes me want a real one even more. :(


Brings me back to the days of fake GS3 leaks.
I had asked my friends earlier: "So, when are we going to start getting all the fake E3 leaks?"

I didn't expect the first one to hit home so hard. I'm glad that Golden Sun still has such a dedicated fanbase.

Heck, it even makes sense. After seeing the Tuaparing airship, it's time to take things up a notch and go visit the Anemos.

I'd play it.
 

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I want a new Golden Sun and yet at the same time, I'll feel like I missed out a great deal cause I never played Dark Dawn.
 

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Also I am pretty sure a new GS game would be called Mourning Moon.
 
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So many plot threads left unsolved in Dark Dawn. I really want to see where the story goes.
 

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Indeed. And obviously the repeated hint to Takeru being playable in the future. That's been around since TLA. I remember finding this picture somewhere long back of Piers along with Nowell and a fan rendition of Takeru.

Piers, Takeru and Nowell.jpg
 
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I want to hear your opinions guys, what was the reason Isaac's AT was cut for Smash 3DS / Wi U?

Sakura stated that new and recent appearances aka 'relevance' does matter, but at the same time he added Mega Man. Basically doing more for the character than Capcom in recent years.. or so I understood.

I still feel like Isaac's chances where hugely hindered by a couple of few other character's entrance. A common complaint from detractors was that he's 'too anime' or too generic, and our reply is his abilities make up for it. Which they do, yet he also carries a sword and this might've been hindering his inclusion, same with no recent Golfen Sun game(s).

Robin uses magic and a sword for example, and Fire Emblem.. well, outside of Sakurai bias, it's just one of the bigger older running RPGs for Nintendo. Isaac could in a way, play much like Robin. I also would expect Isaac to be one of the slower characters, with charge up Special Attacks and zooming emphasis.

Then there's Shulk, who was always seen as Isaac's main 'rival' for getting into Smash.. Guess he 'won'. Xenoblade was a highly popular game, considered near one of the best games on Wii (Wii era was pretty good honestly) so in a way, no real surprise I hindsight. Sakurai even stated that characters as him don't normally get into Smash. So that might be a reason Sakurai excluded Isaac before (Brawl was Isaac's main missed opportunity imo). Stat buffs also easily could've been a gimmick for Isaac if Djinni and Summons where used in his move set.

Lastly there's Cloud, and no anime swordsman in gaming is more popular than him, outside maybe Link. Big sword, zoning, stat buffs, he's basically a overpowered version of what also could've been Isaac. Third party was heavily biased over second party in the roster choices of Smash Wii U / 3DS. But likewise with Fire Emblem, Final Fantasy is million times more well known than Golden Sun, and also still running. Worst part, Cloud and Isaac even look a like and the FF stage has ****ing SUMMONS BY GIANT MONSTERS.......

I think Isaac didn't really stand all too much of a chance in retrospect. But the mockery was real, at least for me.
 

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new and recent appearances aka 'relevance' does matter
Sakurai said that relevance for franchises matter as far as newcomers go, though he doesn't seem to mind irrelevant characters from relevant franchises (he wanted Geno of all characters for Brawl and Smash 4 with the implication being that Geno didn't make it as a playable character because some external force beyond Sakurai's control prevented it)
 
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Sakura stated that new and recent appearances aka 'relevance' does matter, but at the same time he added Mega Man. Basically doing more for the character than Capcom in recent years.. or so I understood.
Say what you will about how Capcom has treated Mega Man in recent years, but I think Little Mac would be a better example since he's been gone for longer (Punch-Out!! Wii came out in 2009, MM10 came out in 2010).
 

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Yes Geno, that's a good one honestly. His Mii Costume always struck me as 'considered but rejected'. Just posted about this in the K.Rool thread.

Yet Isaac never even got a costume for example. Sword Fighter would naturally fit...

The thing with Geno however is that he was from a Mario game. That gets to let him enjoy far more popularity, and also a shock factor in a way... Mario RPG is the reason why games as Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi are still running.

But yeah maybe it's simply Square who pushed Cloud over Geno? Maybe that's why Cloud feels rushed, overpowered, and inbalanced? Sakurai also stated he was build from Ike, which is obvious in many ways... likewise, Bayonetta was build from Zero Suit Samus.

This is actually quite a damn good thing to speculate about. Think there was a lot of pressure involved in certain character choices...
 

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Say what you will about how Capcom has treated Mega Man in recent years, but I think Little Mac would be a better example since he's been gone for longer (Punch-Out!! Wii came out in 2009, MM10 came out in 2010).
To be fair, even if his recent game hadn't been a success, Little Mac could have easily still made it in as a retro character given that Mach Rider was considered as a retro character in Melee despite having a then-recently released game.

The thing with Geno however is that he was from a Mario game. That gets to let him enjoy far more popularity, and also a shock factor in a way... Mario RPG is the reason why games as Paper Mario and Mario & Luigi are still running.
That would be the case if it weren't for the fact that his only notable appearance as a side character was in one of Mario's lesser known spin-off games which sold around 2 million copies. In contrast, Isaac is the main character of one game that sold around 1.6 million copies and a major character in another million-selling game, which makes him more well-known than Geno. Whilst Geno was more highly requested during Brawl, his level of Smash demand has dropped.
 
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Little Mac is also a good example, but Punch Out has always had a major cult following. The NES game was a huge thing. I agree with the notion that if there'd be no Wii Punch Out, Mac would've made it in as a retro character.

However Mac also was unique in design, as the first proper material artist with gimmick 'weak in air amazing ground game'.

Which, in a way, y'know... also could've been a gimmick for Isaac. Being a Earth Adapt and all...

Both where Assist Throphies at one point, Little Mac got promoted while Isaac was never heard of again. I call conspiracy!

No but seriously, a lot about Isaac's exclusion stinks. Same with K.Rool, and that's not just cause they where my favorites.
 

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But yeah maybe it's simply Square who pushed Cloud over Geno?
No. Sakurai specifically went for Cloud as he was the most requested Square character by far.

According to him.

Sakurai also stated he was build from Ike, which is obvious in many ways... likewise, Bayonetta was build from Zero Suit Samus.
Every DLC character was based on another actually. I think Mewtwo is the only exception due to his odd body shape.



As for why Isaac isn't an AT, I think it might be due to his function causing problems.

It was pretty glitchy in Brawl. I can imagine with the more complicated stages, it'd be even worse.
 
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You killed my conspiracy dude.

Well done actually.
 

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For real?

Well that was quick. :p
It goes with what am saying mostly, a lot of negativity relating Isaac's chances.

I still think that Isaac was mostly overlooked by characters I mentioned before, but there's also of course he fact he might've simply not even considered at all.

A Mii costume would've been nice...
 

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No. Sakurai specifically went for Cloud as he was the most requested Square character by far.

According to him.


Every DLC character was based on another actually. I think Mewtwo is the only exception due to his odd body shape.



As for why Isaac isn't an AT, I think it might be due to his function causing problems.

It was pretty glitchy in Brawl. I can imagine with the more complicated stages, it'd be even worse.
I don't think he said he Cloud was the most requested character, I think he said Final Fantasy got the most requests, and Cloud was the most requested out of that bunch, or he was the most recognizable, don't remember which.

Edit: Ok so here's the actual relevant quote as far as I know

among the requests for a Final Fantasy character to appear in Smash, around ¼ to ⅓ of the requests we got from fans were for Cloud.

-Sakurai

I don't think it was ever even mentioned the Final Fantasy was heavily requested.
 
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I don't think he said he Cloud was the most requested character, I think he said Final Fantasy got the most requests, and Cloud was the most requested out of that bunch, or he was the most recognizable, don't remember which.

Edit: Ok so here's the actual relevant quote as far as I know

among the requests for a Final Fantasy character to appear in Smash, around ¼ to ⅓ of the requests we got from fans were for Cloud.

-Sakurai

I don't think it was ever even mentioned the Final Fantasy was heavily requested.
It was somewhere. Look in the same interview.
 

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It was somewhere. Look in the same interview.
Only other relevant part I could find:

"Sakurai: Final Fantasy (FF below) is one of the few uniquely Japanese game series revered by players around the world. I think fans across the globe have hoped a character from one of those series would appear in Smash, so it was only a matter of time. At the same time, there are only so many big-name titles we can work with at this point—mainly because we’ve covered most of those bases. Aside from the major globally-recognized franchises already featured in Smash, there really aren’t that many left.

—That’s true. No other franchises come to mind.

Sakurai: Exactly. And within the FF franchise, Cloud is without question the most popular choice. A number of people fixate on the fact his original game was never released on a Nintendo console, but if we were to limit our choices to characters who appeared on a Nintendo console, we’d end up with Bartz from FFV or the Onion Knight from FFIII—how would that work? Maybe they could change jobs or something… Actually, that would be kind of interesting (laughs)."


So unless I missed it, it was never said Cloud was the most heavily requested SE character, just Final Fantasy.
 

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And here I am, just posting an undoubtably fake GS4 leak. Only makes me want a real one even more. :(


Brings me back to the days of fake GS3 leaks.
Had it not been for this thread being active again, I wouldn't have noticed this. I'm in pain but I will share it around to spread awareness. If this fake leak goes viral and Nintendo notices it and gives the series another chance, we may just have a savior right there guys.
 
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If we need some positivity here, Isaac had a big advantage in the voting stage, ironically due to his complete absence. Permit me to demonstrate.

"Aw jeez, I really want Ridley to be playable but he's a Boss and I'd be wasting my vote"
"Aw jeez, I really want Waluigi to be playable but he's an assist trophy and I'd be wasting my vote"
"Aw jeez, I really want Isaac to be playable..."
 
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I very much doubt the Ridley and Waluigi crowds would leave it at that...
Cant say anything for waluigi or casual fans, but lot's and lot's of people jumped ship on Ridley after the 50 fact extravaganza. He never recovered. Isaac on the other hand didnt have too much of a drop when people learned he was MIA from the AT pool
 
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