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What I wish were acknowledged more, is that the titular character from the Ubisoft Mii's didnt get a character.
Yeah, what you say actually makes a lot of sense. I honestly would be totally cool with Ezio getting in but because Rayman is my most wanted character he's the one that I think should get in first. And hell, they did it for Banjo and Steve. Banjo was the more hardcore Smash fans pick and then Steve was the more casual appeal pick.
Except Steve was planned first with Banjo basically getting in because Sakurai and Nintendo thought "**** we're already dealing with Microsoft, might as well try asking now that we have this opportunity"
To clarify: I'd rather Rayman first when it comes to Ubisoft. I like him, I played Rayman 2 and 3 back then, Rayman Origins is cool and Rayman Legends is a fantastic 2D platformer, better than any modern 2D Mario game if you ask me
Um, Banjo was the character that released first, that means that Banjo was negotiated first. I'm sure that the fighter pass 2 characters were negotiated and developed after the final character of Fighter Pass 1 (which was Byleth) finished development.
Not necessarily. We know Steve was negotiated 5 years ago.
Yeah and the Rayman twitter account told their followers to vote for Rayman on the Smash ballot back when that was around, but I have never seen any of the Assassin's Creed social medias drum up support for an Assassin to join.
Because the "T" was capitalized I thought you were suggesting that the add The Thing for a second. lol
Naming all of the games in a series is infinitely more relevant to its history than naming every character. There was indeed reason for him to do it.
The heck it is! The games were freaking out by the time DLC was being considered. It is a blatant lie to say that they weren't eligible for it!
They said that discussion about adding Steve to Smash happened 5 years ago, not that the negotiation happened for that entire time.
I'm saying nobody ever thought "this is the last DLC character and it's Byleth." They were at one point planned to be the last character, but if you never had that moment there's no reason to be mad about that.
Mexico isn't all of Latin America.
Who cares?
I think it mostly has to do with those series being seen more as a genres rather than franchises. In some cases, people might not even know that those games aren't original spinoffs.
Nintendo/Sakurai doesn't care about the "only platformer characters fit" meme.
We know for a fact Minecraft was planned to be in Smash since 2015 with Mojang themselves saying negotiations literally took 5 years.
3 is not enough. At least five
— Kaplan (@Kappische) October 1, 2020
When did anyone mention Rex and Spring Man being illegible for DLC here? I'm saying the reason those two didn't make it in the base roster doesn't contradict Byleth's inclusion. Because again, the two situations are not the same at all
I also don't really think there's anything wrong with Chrom and Lucina. I think they're very smart choices for Echoes and play quite differently because of the lack of the whole tipper sweet spot system of Marth and Roy. Corrin is dubious yes, but happened to just be in a right spot at the right time. Byleth similarly, but their game did better than Corrin's.
I definitely think that was more casual talk and contracts didn't actually get signed solidifying it until WAY later
I'd say most of it had to do with Moveset Complications and Implementation, but Rare wasn't lying when they Said Minecraft was the Gateway to Banjo in Smash
Xenoblade Chronicles 2, ARMS, and Fire Emblem: Three Houses all did not exist by the time that base was locked in and thus could not be added at that time, but they did when DLC was locked in, so they could have been added then. They are the exact same situation. Soooooo
What Gwen is trying to get at is that Byleth was picked because he was intended to advertise the recently released 3H while the other 2 games were older. Of course since he would never admit that we end up with these strange overly verbose posts.
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My issue with them is largely because the 3DS games take up half of the playable FE reps, which I find to be rather awkward. There's also the fact that we only have seven Echoes, so they just get mixed in with everyone else because there's just so little of them. I also feel that Lucina is redundant due to just being Marth without the special Marth mechanic, and Chrom just feels empty without Roy's fire. Even if we make them more diverse, Awakening's representation is still lopsided.
Robin really should have been the only Awakening rep. Chrom if they wanted an echo fighter.
You don't hold casual talks about something that big for years. Not to mention Rare themselves had this to say on how Banjo came to be
Puppy, ARMS and XB2 weren't able to be on the project plan back in 2015. That literally doesn't say anything about DLC, people just read Sakurai say they were too new for the project plan and just concluded Sakurai was also talking about DLC, which isn't the case. Why weren't they in the first pass? Ask Nintendo cause we never got answers on that. Maybe they weren't considered at all, maybe Nintendo just wanted a 2019 game to be promoted, there's no reason there. The people complaining about 'hypocrisy' are complaining that Byleth shouldn't DLC because Byleth wasn't able to put on the base game's project plan in 2015 despite the first pass not being planned back in 2015 but years later, when it ended up fitting in the DLC's project plan. I genuinely don't get what's so hard to understand here, Byleth lucked out on timing for the DLC project plan, Rex and Spring Man didn't.
Yeah, as Steve was by far the most complex character ever to be made playable in Smash.
If anything they need to buff Marth's tippers more so people have more of a reason to pick him.
Even with Not-Aether?
My guess is that Banjo came first because Sakurai was still afraid that he didn't have what it took to pull off Steve, so Nintendo decided to make the most out of the Microsoft deal and get Banjo and Kazooie. Steve would be pushed back to after FP1, as Nintendo had a vague idea that more DLC would be coming. These post-FP1 concepts would eventually grow into FP2.
Yeah, even with not-Aether. I'm mainly talking about Chrom's versions of the up smash and Flare Blade. It's clear they were meant to have the fire, but Chrom doesn't have fire so it's just a poor man's substitute. They could've made it blue fire to go with the Awakening Ritual or even just gave it a flashier effect. Roy just has a little extra oomph that Chrom lacks.
Probably the later
Funny how you specifically brought the MCU when Marvel in general has been that way ever since they first did Avengers comics in the early 60s.
There is: Nintendo wanted "a character from a game people were playing at the time", explicitly stated by Sakurai himself in his Famitsu column about Byleth.
That didn't stop Infinity War and Endgame constantly being called the biggest crossovers of all time. But it still proves my point in that regard, it's still a bunch of seperate characters crossing over each other
People claim all kinds of dumb ****. Back in Brawl, Sakurai was accused of showing too much favouritism to Star Fox. When Smash 4 came along, Sakurai was accused of hating Star Fox.
Which is of course an utterly ridiculous claim to believe.
That... Simply just happens. Look at Zelda for example. Even with Smash Ultimate, Ocarina of Time has the most characters by far; Young Link, Sheik and Ganondorf. In Brawl and Smash 4 it was the Twilight Princess cast, and Melee had literally everyone from Ocarina of Time. Then there's also the overload of Generation 1 Pokémon in Smash, with Lucario, Incineroar and Greninja as sole exceptions.
Marketing is really good, not gonna lie.
That's fair, especially with the sheer scope of the movies. But I'd also say that the MCU is on a league of its own and would definitely not be comparable to the roster of Age of Calamity.
Art of Fighting is a direct prequel to Fatal Fury. It's not really a "crossover" at this point more than it is a proof that the two franchises are indeed connected as part of a single story.