Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Goombaic]

I'd like to formally apologize to BrawlFan1 for thinking some of his movesets concepts are a bit too much.

 

[SirBillyBob]

I wouldn't be surprised if licensing was an issue, Notch apparantly has the music license, meaning 1: More royalties and 2: Acknowledging Notch, neither would be very desireable and we avoidable

You're probably not wrong on licensing, but Notch has nothing to do with the music, that would be C418.

 

[N3ON]

Also,

Too simple my ass.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I generally am fine reading subtitles--- but it's a lot more difficult when there is Smash gameplay. Seriously, they edit the entire video, which takes more work than hiring someone to read a script for 45 minutes. I honestly think the lack of translation buffers the sales. It certainly makes it harder for me to watch, and by a significant margin no less.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

....So if ATs can be.....promoted(?) to Mii costumes, can Shovel Knight please, and bring Strike the Earth! with him?

I will also settle for Hyper Camelot, and the Tower of Fate themes.

 

[Zorfendor]

There are still four more waves though, Lloyd doesn't have to be in the next one.

Could very well still be a fighter, too.

 

[N3ON]

Could very well still be a fighter, too.

That as well.

 

[Shroob]

As someone who hasn't played Minecraft since like, a really, REALLY early BETA build of the game, my biggest takeaway was

 

[MooMew64]

Ah

Cinderace right after Steve, eh? Well, a power move if I've ever seen one.

My heart could only handle so much, Shroob. Byleth, Min Min, Steve, and Cinderace all back to back to back to back?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I don’t think Lloyd may necessarily be in the next wave. I think they just chose Gil cause his source material of fighting monsters and getting treasure is at its core similar to Minecraft

and also maybe we will still see Lloyd return with a different Namco character but yeah I’m not banking on another Namco character OR Capcom character at this rate. Square could still double dip while bringing back the Geno and Chocobo costumes with that character

I must ask tho. Did any Capcom Mii costumes appear in 4 BEFORE Ryu’s reveal?

 

[---]

Updated the poll. I apologize again for my bad puns.

Couldn't think of a mining joke, but that's probably for the best.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Mfw Master Chief didn’t get Mii Costumed. My condolences to Travis Bros though, he would’ve been sick.

Steve looks like a fantastic character. There’s so much love & attention put into him. I’m glad this presentation showed that Sakurai loves Minecraft, that’ll shut up the haters who said Sakurai looked “miserable”. He had a lot of fun playing with the sword/pickaxe toy lmao

Steve’s music selection is reeeeally disappointing though. There’s tons of fan remixes on YT of the OG music being fitting for Smash. Hell, they made “Beneath the Mask” A Smash song.

 

[SneakyLink]

I don’t think Lloyd may necessarily be in the next wave. I think they just chose Gil cause his source material of fighting monsters and getting treasure is at its core similar to Minecraft

and also maybe we will still see Lloyd return with a different Namco character but yeah I’m not banking on another Namco character OR Capcom character at this rate. Square could still double dip while bringing back the Geno and Chocobo costumes with that character

I must ask tho. Did any Capcom Mii costumes appear in 4 BEFORE Ryu’s reveal?

To answer the question: we got two Mega Man costumes when Mewtwo released in 4.

 

[7NATOR]

I wouldn't be surprised if licensing was an issue, Notch apparantly has the music license, meaning 1: More royalties and 2: Acknowledging Notch, neither would be very desireable and we avoidable

Actually I'm confused, why is Notch not very Desirable? the only thing I know about the guy is that he Created Minecraft and then sold it to Microsoft

 

[Shroob]

Actually I'm confused, why is Notch not very Desirable? the only thing I know about the guy is that he Created Minecraft and then sold it to Microsoft

.....Oh that's not a discussion for this thread.


Let's just say.... really kinda.... eugh.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

My heart could only handle so much, Shroob. Byleth, Min Min, Steve, and Cinderace all back to back to back to back?

I read this wrong and had to ask myself how the **** Shroob made it to Smash. No offense to the man but I don't think he's a big burly dude

 

[Rie Sonomura]

To answer the question: we got two Mega Man costumes when Mewtwo released in 4.

So I guess then we COULD still get a Namco rep even if the Lloyd costume returns before then. Same with Capcom but I’m personally doubting that one

Square with Square tho. Maybe they could bring back Geno and Chocobo’s costumes in the wave after the second Square one’s, but NOT before

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

third parties are only getting in with massive game history or impact if Square is getting someone else 1.lara 2. 2b 3. brave default 4. sephiroth i dont think there is anyone esle left to consider for square.

I'd argue Chrono Trigger, and more Final Fantasy games than just Final Fantasy VII have had that kind of gaming impact/history.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Ah

Cinderace right after Steve, eh? Well, a power move if I've ever seen one.

I think you're thinking of the wrong Fire type RPG character.

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[Staarih]

Honestly, I'm not sure if this is a hot take or something but I think the discussion around the returning mii costumes is a little boring.

I know that isn't the discussion going on rn I just wanted to know if anyone else feels the same way.

Yeah, kinda. Mii costume discussion doesn't really do much for me, since it's pretty clear by now that all of the missing ones will return.
...yes, even Geno, Lloyd etc. even if they become playable imo. The costumes are ready, there's a buck to be made, we have existing fighters with Mii costumes and there's always the off-chance of someone not buying DLC, but buys a Mii costume. In the mean time though, sure, speculation around what the missing costumes means for certain characters will ensue.

 

[XorahnGaia]

I must ask tho. Did any Capcom Mii costumes appear in 4 BEFORE Ryu’s reveal?

Yes: The Megaman X and Protoman Mii costumes came with the Mewtwo update, which was released two months before Ryu came out.

 

[Shroob]

I think you're thinking of the wrong Fire type RPG character.

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I made Fire Theory as a ****post but I swear to god if the next character also uses fire....

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I'd argue Chrono Trigger, and more Final Fantasy games than just Final Fantasy VII have had that kind of gaming impact/history.

Yeah, given FF's legacy I find it hard to believe they'd go back to VII again, especially when there's newer games (like 10 and 12) and older ones (like 4 & 6) that various parties would be interested in getting fighters from.

 

[toonito]

presentation thoughts and crackpot theories:

steve looks cool...we have yet to see if he'll be OP or overhyped competitively like Hero and Min Min were

5 Mii Costumes left...if a Mii costume continues to return with each pack then one of those costumes may not return

RIP Travis

i'm happy Kirby turned into a block

if using Amiibo theory as a guide for character releases then Steve may be our last character for 2020 since the remaining FP1 amiibo all come out next year

Min Min's presentation was recorded in May for a June release. Steve's presentation was recorded in August for an October release. If someone can help remember when past characters presentations were recorded compared to their release then we may be able to theorize when the FPs will be released.

May ( ) -> August (Steve) -> FP8 may be recorded next month for a December (based on Min Min) or January (based on Steve) release

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

It's always funny (and a little sad) how the fans rage and the actual creators are just happy to be included.

I mean, he cant exactly say "I wanted him as a fighter but Nintendo said no so I guess this is good enough"

 

[P.Kat]

The best part is that there is plenty more where that came from. This is just what fit together.

That's insane! I'm calling it now, every Steve main when they fight...

 

[Deleted member]

I read this wrong and had to ask myself how the **** Shroob made it to Smash.

Not the Mario RPG rep we expected, but the one we deserve.

Also, it’s another generic mook character. TAKE THAT BANDANA DEE DETRACTORS!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Well, I can honestly say Steve looks kinda borked. Either stupid good or stupid terrible.


That said, Lloyd is alive! Hallelujah! Here's hoping it means good things. Geno and Monster Hunter are also still alive, so I feel any one of those could make it in easily.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I feel like Amiibo theory has a window of error now as Steve was revealed I think two weeks after Joker and Hero came out

7/11 Theory is 100% solid though, the character MUST be revealed before the takedown date and it hasn’t failed thus far

 

[SKX31]

After "Environmental Noises", there's little excuse.

11 / 10 best song ever should've won a Grammy.

Probably because they had to make a choice about what tracks to remix due to limited time and resources, unlike Animal Crossing, which is a first party series.

That's what I imagine happened, at least. Since most tracks had to be remixed, they probably used a more self-contained approach.

I was wondering how Sakurai would pronounce "Halland / Dalarna" since those are two (separate) Swedish counties / provinces (with English pronounciation for the latter being "Dalecarlia" or "the Dales"). It kinda looks funky seeing them mashed together since Halland is in the southwest and was historically (talking 1500s / 1600s here) Danish territory (Sweden and Denmark fought each other as often as England and France did during that period), while Dalarna is near the geographical centre and historically the northern boundary of the country.

Him not pronouncing it was understandable, but I was kinda looking forward to the mangling of words.

Not the Mario RPG rep we expected, but the one we deserve.

As someone who's not played the game Shroob comes from I'd be interested in seeing how he / it would play. Sci fi guns are cool too, especially since that's unexplored territory.

 

[Faso115]

are banjo, byleth and terry going to come together? I expect that at least whatever character is next will reveal a release date for at least one of the three.

Which i guess suggest the character will come out next year

 

[Shroob]

I feel like Amiibo theory has a window of error now as Steve was revealed I think two weeks after Joker and Hero came out

7/11 Theory is 100% solid though, the character MUST be revealed before the takedown date and it hasn’t failed thus far

I dunno about that one,

Amiibo theory already has a margin of error accounted for for 2~ weeks

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah, given FF's legacy I find it hard to believe they'd go back to VII again, especially when there's newer games (like 10 and 12) and older ones (like 4 & 6) that various parties would be interested in getting fighters from.

You know what would be the weirdest? If they added Tidus or something, and his series was categorized as Final Fantasy X/X-2 and not...you know, Final Fantasy. There would be no reason to not just fix Cloud's series classification instead of separating two characters from the same series.

That's insane! I'm calling it now, every Steve main when they fight...

Let's just say that you should be glad that they didn't add Minecraft Dungeons stuff to the moveset.

 

[N3ON]

I feel like Amiibo theory has a window of error now as Steve was revealed I think two weeks after Joker and Hero came out

Eh, I'd be hard-pressed to say that one doesn't still herald the other.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ah, and sorry Travis bros. That stung.

 

[Hinata]

I generally am fine reading subtitles--- but it's a lot more difficult when there is Smash gameplay. Seriously, they edit the entire video, which takes more work than hiring someone to read a script for 45 minutes. I honestly think the lack of translation buffers the sales. It certainly makes it harder for me to watch, and by a significant margin no less.

Real weebs learn how to read subtitles even when there's 20 things happening on screen at once.

 

[blackghost]

I'd argue Chrono Trigger, and more Final Fantasy games than just Final Fantasy VII have had that kind of gaming impact/history.

chrono trigger vs ff is close. but FF 7 truly is that big a deal that getting a second character is warranted. imo. but you are right i should have listed chrono trigger.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Oh wait wasn’t there a Sakurai column like yesterday too? Has it been translated yet?

 

[7NATOR]

Anyone else love the References in the Mii showcase?

I Missed it on first Viewing, But Travis Kicking the Door is a nice touch to him usually doing that (NMH1 first level, NMH3 e3 Trailer as Examples)

EDIT: also The Clash Mechanic with Travis and Cloud

and also of Course Creeper Suiciding

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I don't think anything in particular makes a big change to any particular characters chances.

The biggest takeaways today, at least in terms of future speculation, relates to the Mii costumes. Travis Touchdown, underdog pick, is out. Folks were correct in being suspicious of Suda's comment. This may be something to keep in mind in the future if a developer happens to say anything. We also got a major bombshell (heh) is Bomberman.

It appears to be that Assist Trophy appearance repurposed into a costume. Like others, I would love to see this happen with a Shovel Knight Swordfighter. After looking back at what Sakurai said about Bomberman, it was specific to Bomberman and not necessarily a holistic view of Assist Trophies. We can't know that without more information.

So, do I think we're getting Assist Trophy upgrades? I haven't really ever thought they would happen, but this is the first Assist Trophy upgrade we've seen...to a Mii costume. I'm not all that convinced that Waluigi would be turned into one, Isaac already is one, as is Rex.

What I find interesting is that we now have Lloyd Irving not showing up with fellow Namco character Gil, and still no Geno or Monster Hunter. I believe Monster Hunter will either be a playable fighter or return with a Capcom fighter, but I'm not sure what to think with Geno or Lloyd. We've been here before with, "Heihachi playable???", and he was swiftly taken to the chopping block.

That said, some costumes have been revealed thematically. Min Min had a few fighting game character costumes revealed, so could we get a JRPG character that isn't Lloyd and get the Lloyd costume? Tales of is one of the last JRPG series remaining, and Lloyd has been a relatively well known Smash pick for awhile now. Not to say I think he's in or something, but worth taking note of in the way that any other Mii Costume has been.

It doesn't mean any of them are in, though it suggests we're in for another big disconfirmation/confirmation within the next few reveals.

In terms of when we get the next fighter, look out for amiibo release dates, and for 7/11 banner dates. Both have been the best indicators of roughly when a reveal will happen.

I'm still not quite convinced of the "M" rated theory. Yes, the ESRB has limited the appearance of M rated titles...in one region. Everywhere else it's completely fine and has no change. So, do I think Nintendo would look at Dante and say, "Welp, can't add Dante because of the ESRB!"? No, I don't. It may affect additional content, but as far as the character themselves I don't think so. I would change my tune if further information came out suggesting it would but that would be another bombshell bit of information.

EDIT: Credit to @UserGoozer , the Squid Sisters were the first AT to Mii costume upgrade. I don't think anybody expected them to be playable, but this could be worth keeping in mind. Thank you!