Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Ramen Tengoku]

Clearly y'all ain't ready for when this leads up to Pokkén Tournament Ultimate DX which adds the entire Pokédex in one form or another.

"EVERY MON IS HERE!"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

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[RECORD SCRATCH] Freeze frame.

Yup, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up as a spirit in Smash; well, it's a long story. It all started when this game called SMT 5 was announced for the Switch back in 2017.

Spoiler

All jokes aside, do you think the fact that SMT games usually have the fighting/killing of religious gods, including [Record Scratch] may hold back Nintendo from adding it to Smash? Nintendo usually tries to keep religion in their games to a minimum, and SMT is pretty heavy handed with that stuff. And not like Persona either, because I think there's a big difference between the two even.

So basically like a Saber situation where the content of their origin games might make Nintendo averse to adding it to Smash? The character wouldn't bring that stuff to Smash, but some people are bound to throw a fit saying how it's "offensive".

Now I personally think that characters like Saber and a SMT rep are on the table, because their franchises span way further than just those things/games. But I know others may not feel the same way.

We already have the words 'God' 'Heaven' 'Hell' 'Holy' 'Angel' and 'Demon' with Grand Cross being very blatant Christian imagery. This isn't the 80's anymore, they can get away with it, as for your Saber example, the series hasn't had official porn in well over a decade, not to mention Nintendo promoted Bayonetta 2 by hiring porn stars to cosplay as Bayonetta in Playboy iirc

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

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[RECORD SCRATCH] Freeze frame.

Yup, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up as a spirit in Smash; well, it's a long story. It all started when this game called SMT 5 was announced for the Switch back in 2017.

Spoiler

All jokes aside, do you think the fact that SMT games usually have the fighting/killing of religious gods, including [Record Scratch] may hold back Nintendo from adding it to Smash? Nintendo usually tries to keep religion in their games to a minimum, and SMT is pretty heavy handed with that stuff. And not like modern Persona either, because I think there's a big difference between the two even.

So basically like a Saber situation where the content of their origin games might make Nintendo averse to adding it to Smash? The character wouldn't bring that stuff to Smash, but some people are bound to throw a fit saying how it's "offensive".

Now I personally think that characters like Saber and a SMT rep are on the table, because their franchises span way further than just those things/games. But I know others may not feel the same way.

Considering that

Spoiler: Persona 5 (Royal) Spoilers

a high point in the story ends with Joker literally summoning Satan and shooting God in the head

I think we're okay.

 

[Peridorito]

I’ve always wanted to play as a Rotomdex!

He wins by telling opponents useless **** all the time and annoying them so much that they quit.

 

[SvartWolf]

Pokemon i would love to see represented in smash:

Spoiler: Bunch of images

There is one common theme in all of them... can you guess which is?

 

[Droodle]

We already have the words 'God' 'Heaven' 'Hell' 'Holy' 'Angel' and 'Demon' with Grand Cross being very blatant Christian imagery. This isn't the 80's anymore, they can get away with it, as for your Saber example, the series hasn't had official porn in well over a decade, not to mention Nintendo promoted Bayonetta 2 by hiring porn stars to cosplay as Bayonetta in Playboy iirc

Well that makes it pretty clear. Saber and Demi-fiend are clearly hard locks at this point.

Considering that

Spoiler: Persona 5 (Royal) Spoilers

a high point in the story ends with Joker literally summoning Satan and shooting God in the head

I think we're okay.

I actually

Spoiler

don't think summoning Satan to kill Yaldabaoth is on the same level as something like killing Krishna or Yahweh. But it's still pretty high up there.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Developments hell.
Worst than Duke Nukem 3D level of developement hell, to the point of having a full story rewrite, engine recoded and gameplay changed.

thats a big ass oof

 

[PeridotGX]

here is little fun thing
these are the year origin of characters we dont have in smash yet
1970s
1982
2000
2003
2008
2011
2014
2018
2020
if you had to add characters from these years who would you want it to be?

1982 - pass.
1995 - Kamek (Yoshi's Island 2)
2000 - Paper Mario
2003 - Deoxys (Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire)
2008 - Tabuu (Super Smash Bros. Brawl)
2011 - Dragonborn (Todd Howard)
2014 - Shovel Knight
2018 - Jevil (Deltarune)
2020 - ...Raymond (Animal Crossing: New Horizons), at the reasonable price of $1000 dollars.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Well that makes it pretty clear. Saber and Demi-fiend are clearly hard locks at this point.


I actually

Spoiler

don't think summoning Satan to kill Yaldabaoth is on the same level as something like killing Krishna or Yahweh. But it's still pretty high up there.

I think that's a fair point, but I also think that this shows precedent for Sakurai being able to incorporate characters whose games deal with heavier themes like that while sidestepping the more controversial aspects of them, at least when it comes to playable inclusion.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

no one but Pokemon fans would be happy about another pokemon in smash and even then, i doubt they would even be happy

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I think that's a fair point, but I also think that this shows precedent for Sakurai being able to incorporate characters whose games deal with heavier themes like that while sidestepping the more controversial aspects of them, at least when it comes to playable inclusion.

I mean. One of Nintendo's major IPs, including it's latest installment which found great success on the Switch, has a surprising amount of sexual assault in the series. ****ing Fire Emblem man, even Three Houses says that multiple character almost became **** victims

 

[cashregister9]

View attachment 279747

[RECORD SCRATCH] Freeze frame.

Yup, that's me. You're probably wondering how I ended up as a spirit in Smash; well, it's a long story. It all started when this game called SMT 5 was announced for the Switch back in 2017.

Spoiler

All jokes aside, do you think the fact that SMT games usually have the fighting/killing of religious gods, including [Record Scratch] may hold back Nintendo from adding it to Smash? Nintendo usually tries to keep religion in their games to a minimum, and SMT is pretty heavy handed with that stuff. And not like modern Persona either, because I think there's a big difference between the two even.

So basically like a Saber situation where the content of their origin games might make Nintendo averse to adding it to Smash? The character wouldn't bring that stuff to Smash, but some people are bound to throw a fit saying how it's "offensive".

Now I personally think that characters like Saber and a SMT rep are on the table, because their franchises span way further than just those things/games. But I know others may not feel the same way.

With Shin Megami Tensei Religion and Religious Themes are baked into the franchises DNA. Persona does have religious content in the game in fact I think there was a controversy in India due to the fact that an Indian deity appears in the game. With Fate IIRC only the first release of the first game had the problem content in it.

The big thing that destroys this theory is Bayonetta, Not only is Bayonetta from a risque game but it also has a ton of religious symbols and themes in it

Also Castlevania has the 2 characters literally throwing Crosses and Holy Water

 

[Peridorito]

no one but Pokemon fans would be happy about another pokemon in smash and even then, i doubt they would even be happy

I would be happy, but there's a bunch of characters I would be happier about.

 

[PLANTMAN]

Now wouldn’t this be great if smash ultimate ended like this?

you got a mix of fan fave & iconic series represented in a smash game the total would be 39 all together. this is a big crossover right here and I hope this is the case.

 

[Jomosensual]

no one but Pokemon fans would be happy about another pokemon in smash and even then, i doubt they would even be happy

I would be depending on which one it is.

 

[PeridotGX]

I'd be down for any Pokemon but Urshifu or a Galar Starter. Pokemon is filled to the brim with things you can't get anywhere else, go with one of them instead Bear Ryu or Baboom.

 

[Peridorito]

With Shin Megami Tensei Religion and Religious Themes are baked into the franchises DNA. Persona does have religious content in the game in fact I think there was a controversy in India due to the fact that Vishnu appears in the game. With Fate IIRC only the first release of the first game had the problem content in it.

The big thing that destroys this theory is Bayonetta, Not only is Bayonetta from a risque game but it also has a ton of religious symbols and themes in it

Yeah, religious themes aren't a problem. Castlevania has that too, Simon and Richter throw crosses and holy water at people.

 

[3BitSaurus]

here is little fun thing
these are the year origin of characters we dont have in smash yet
1970s
1982
2000
2003
2008
2011
2014
2018
2020
if you had to add characters from these years who would you want it to be?

• 1982: Taizo Hori (Dig Dug)
• 2000: Ruby Heart, Sonson & Amingo (Marvel Vs. Capcom 2)
• 2003: Sceptile (Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire)
• 2008: --- (Travis Touchdown doesn't make the cut by about two and a half weeks, oof)
• 2011: Ghirahim (TLoZ: Skyward Sword)
• 2014: Shovel Knight (Shovel Knight)
• 2018: ---
• 2020: I'd rather wait for the year to finish before I pick one.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I would be depending on which one it is.

which is why I added "i doubt they would even be happy" because someone is bound to be "WHY NOT X, WHY Y?! X IS SO MUCH BETTER"

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

no one but Pokemon fans would be happy about another pokemon in smash and even then, i doubt they would even be happy

I don't give a **** what any one says, I'm a big Pokemon fan and would be happy if we got another Pokemon whether it's from a previous gen (Unlikely) or Gen 8 (Hoping for Inteleon).

 

[Will]

Considering that

Spoiler: Persona 5 (Royal) Spoilers

a high point in the story ends with Joker literally summoning Satan and shooting God in the head

I think we're okay.

Spoiler: RPG Tropes

Isn't it funny how all "classic" or "masterpiece" JRPGs start you off doing some peaceful **** in like a town or in school and then all of a sudden you have a strange urge to ****ing murder God in cold blood?

 

[PeridotGX]

If we don't get a Pokemon as CP7/8, I genuinely think there's a good chance of it being an older Pokemon. If this is the case, my money's on Mimikyu, because according to the Google Poll it's the most popular Pokemon not yet in Smash.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

You can tell Trapezium got hacked because this doesn't say Cortez

I wanted to but Cortez doesn't appear in the first TimeSplitters game... So close, yet so far...

• 1982: Taizo Hori (Dig Dug)
• 2000: Ruby Heart, Sonson & Amingo (Marvel Vs. Capcom 2)
• 2003: Sceptile (Pokémon Ruby & Sapphire)
• 2008: --- (Travis Touchdown doesn't make the cut by about two and a half weeks, oof)
• 2011: Ghirahim (TLoZ: Skyward Sword)
• 2014: Shovel Knight (Shovel Knight)
• 2018: ---
• 2020: I'd rather wait for the year to finish before I pick one.

Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire first released in 2002 in Japan.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

If we don't get a Pokemon as CP7/8, I genuinely think there's a good chance of it being an older Pokemon. If this is the case, my money's on Mimikyu, because according to the Google Poll it's the most popular Pokemon not yet in Smash.

i bet my box of sugar cookies that it would be a Kanto pokemon

 

[Will]

I don't give a **** what any one says, I'm a big Pokemon fan and would be happy if we got another Pokemon whether it's from a previous gen (Unlikely) or Gen 8 (Hoping for Inteleon).

You could replace this statement with Fire Emblem and nothing changes at the end of the day.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I wanted to but Cortez doesn't appear in the first TimeSplitters game... So close, yet so far...

Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire first released in 2002 in Japan.

Oof, true. So they barely miss it, just like Travis.

 

[Will]

2000: Ruby Heart, Sonson & Amingo (Marvel Vs. Capcom 2)

About time we got some quality characters in this pass.

 

[PeridotGX]

i bet my box of sugar cookies that ot would be a Kanto pokemon

thankfully, there aren't many good Gen 1 options left. It's only really Eevee, Meowth, and Gengar, and only the latter has any moveset potential.

 

[cashregister9]

here is little fun thing
these are the year origin of characters we dont have in smash yet
1970s
1982
2000
2003
2008
2011
2014
2018
2020-

if you had to add characters from these years who would you want it to be?

1982- Pass
2000- Maya Amano or Amingo
2003- Mona Pizza or Jimmy T.
2008- Neku Sakuraba
2011- Neptune (Hyperdimension Neptunia)
2014- Freddy Fazbear
2018- Euden or Lora
2020- Ichiban Kasuga

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Spoiler: RPG Tropes

Isn't it funny how all "classic" or "masterpiece" JRPGs start you off doing some peaceful **** in like a town or in school and then all of a sudden you have a strange urge to ****ing murder God in cold blood?

#ATTACKANDDETHRONEGOD

 

[ZelDan]

Evil god: *starts causing destruction and chaos everywhere*

JRPG protagonists: *sigh* "Mondays, amirite?"

 

[SneakyLink]

here is little fun thing
these are the year origin of characters we dont have in smash yet
1970s
1982
2000
2003
2008
2011
2014
2018
2020
if you had to add characters from these years who would you want it to be?

1970s: The Wumpus (Hunt the Wumpus)
1982: Pitfall Harry
2000: Joanna Dark
2003: Jade (Beyond Good and Evil)
2008: Tim (Braid)
2011: Cole Phelps
2014: Aurora (Child of Light)
2018: Madeline (Celeste)
2020: Pass
Bonus: 2021: Also Passing on this year since it isn't 2021 yet.

 

[3BitSaurus]

About time we got some quality characters in this pass.

The Plant Gang before Plant Gang.

 

[Geno Boost]

1970s: The Wumpus (Hunt the Wumpus)
1982: Pitfall Harry
2000: Joanna Dark
2003: Jade (Beyond Good and Evil)
2008: Tim (Braid)
2011: Cole Phelps
2014: Aurora (Child of Light)
2018: Madeline (Celeste)
2020: Pass
Bonus: 2021: Also Passing on this year since it isn't 2021 yet.

woah child of light i forgot that game exsisted

 

[GoodGrief741]

I wanted to but Cortez doesn't appear in the first TimeSplitters game... So close, yet so far...

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Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire first released in 2002 in Japan.

It was always my head canon that Cortez is the playable character in the first TimeSplitters and he's just bodysurfing like in the second game. So, uh, Cortez win?

 

[Geno Boost]

1995: Dixie Kong (you missed 1995)

nah my friend i remember star fox 2 does exsist and Wolf originated there in 1995

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Happy 16th Birthday to Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door!

 

[SnowClaws]

here is little fun thing
these are the year origin of characters we dont have in smash yet
1970s
1982
2000
2003
2008
2011
2014
2018
2020
if you had to add characters from these years who would you want it to be?

1970s - ... doctor/carpenter (The Oregon Trail)
1982 - Pengo (Pengo)
2000 - JC Denton (Deus Ex)
2003 - Mario & Luigi (Mario & Luigi series)
2008 - Raymond "Ray" Bryce (Disaster: Day of Crisis)
2011 - Adam Jensen (Deus Ex) Mallo (Pushmo)
2014 - Aurora (Child of Light) Gunvolt (Azure Striker Gunvolt)
2018 - Euden (Dragalia Lost)
2020 - ... the heroine aka the fool (Sayonara Wild Hearts)

 

[Cosmic77]

no one but Pokemon fans would be happy about another pokemon in smash and even then, i doubt they would even be happy

Even if that were true and Pokemon fans ended up being the only ones happy with a new Pokemon, we're still talking about the biggest and most profitable franchise in the world.

The new Pokemon probably wouldn't be the highlight of the pass, but I also think it's backed by enough widespread appeal to prevent it from being absolutely hated. Incineroar had plenty of reasons to be despised, but most people didn't seem to lash out at it like I expected. People accepted it fairly quickly.

 

[I.D.]

2008 - Raymond "Ray" Bryce (Disaster: Day of Crisis)

Liked just for this one.