Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[RileyXY1]

Junko Enoshima from Danganronpa with a slightly edited design

That's not the first character I would choose if I was going to add a Danganronpa character.

 

[MagnesD3]

Company Passes huh, well I’ll do a worthy version and who I’d want more selfishly will be in brackets.

Capcom
1. Jill Valentine “Resident Evil” (Leon Kennedy)
2. Dante “Devil May Cry”
3. Pheonix Wright “Ace Attourney” (Nemesis)
4. Mike Haggar “Final Fight” (Urien)
5. Amaterasu “Okami” (Vergil)
6. Arthur “Ghosts and Goblins” (Wesker)

Namco
1. Heihachi “Tekken”
2. Nightmare “Soul Calibur”
3. Chosen Undead (Dark Souls) (Solarie)
4. Lloyd “Tales of” (Cervantes)
5. Klonoa “Klonoa” (King)
6. The Prince “Katamari Damacy” (Steve)

Square Enix
1. Sora “Kingdom Hearts”
2. Sephiroth “Final Fantasy”
3. Lara Croft “Tomb Raider”
4. Chrono “Chrono Trigger”
5. Agnes “Bravely Default” (Riku)
6. Geno “Super Mario RPG”

Microsoft
1. Master Chief “Halo”
2. Steve “Minecraft” (Gruntilda)
3. Conker “Conkers Bad Fur Day”
4. Rash “Battletoads” (Arbiter)
5. Fulgore “Killer Instinct” (Aganos)
6. Joanna Dark “Perfect Dark” (Mumbo Jumbo)

Sega
1. Shadow “Sonic”
2. Knuckles “Sonic”
3. Aiai “Super Monkey Ball” (Tails)
4. Dr Robotnic “Sonic”
5. Jack Frost ”Megami Tensei” (Amy)
6. Akira “Virtua Fighter” (Rouge)

Konami
1. Goemon “Mystical Ninja”
2. Bomberman “Bomberman”
3. Alucard “Castlevania”
4. Bill Rizer “Contra”
5. Raiden “Metal Gear Solid”
6. Frogger “Frogger” (The Boss)

Ubisoft (That’s all)
1. Rayman “Rayman”
2. Altair “Assassins Creed”
3. Prince “Prince of Persia”

Activision
1. Crash “Crash Bandicoot”
2. Spyro “Spyro the dragon”
3. Tracer “Overwatch” (Dr Neo Cortex)
4. Diablo “Diablo” (Ripto)
5. Johnny Knox “Guitar Hero”
6. Jim Raynor “Starcraft” (Gnasty Knorc)

Koei Techmo (That’s all)

1. Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
2. Kasumi (Dead or Alive)
3. Yuri (Fatal Frame)
4. Suezo (Monster Rancher)
5. Nobunaga? (Dynasty Warriors)
6. ???

Snk (don’t know enough, there would be a metal slug rep tho)

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Junko Enoshima from Danganronpa with a slightly edited design

Would be interesting to have someone who isn't the main hero of their series join as a third party, even if it's one I dont personally like.

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

Pokemon brings a new playstyle with every character they release while Fire Emblem has two echoes from the same game. It absolutely is a fair comparison.

Not to mention that Pokemon mainly look drastically different from each other which helps keep them from looking repetitive.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Not to mention that Pokemon mainly look drastically different from each other which helps keep them from looking repetitive.

Besides Pikachu and Pichu that is but their gameplay style has evolved since Melee.
For the others, Cahrizard and Incinaroar do share the distinction of being fire-starter heavyweights but their actual gameplay is much different from each other.

 

[SNEKeater]

Spoiler: Papagenos has this

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/657498848968704001/683144160706166785/papapapa.png

I rather not say that this is fake.

It's so fake that it hurts. I mean, it doesn't look like a Smash Ultimate render would look.

Ike : Sakurai straight up had just a blank slot for a Fire Emblem rep in Brawl until Intelligent Systems told him to use Ike because he was the newest.

To clarify, that wasn't the case. Sakurai wanted a character who could use a heavy sword, then he chose Ike. AFAIK he didn't kept a slot for a Fire Emblem character.

Huh, I guess the skirt is a bit longer than I remember, I'll give you that, but it's genuinely hard to see Dante as anything other than Joker 2.0.

Maybe I'm missing something in your post but lol? Because I think that in any case what it's genuinely hard to believe is that someone could think that Dante would be Joker 2.0.

 

[BernkastelWitch]

On the topic of the Junko/Monokuma fake render, hypothetically if it's real, wouldn't Junko be a Pokemon Trainer figure of sorts just lounging in the background while Monokuma does the dirty work?

It'd probably be a way to justify having both. At the very least, that's what I think. Monokuma does the fighting and Junko being Junko in the background and reacting to the match.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

SMT has crossed over with Fire Emblem, therefore Joker is another FE rep kek

This joke works because TMS feels like a prototype Persona 5 in some areas.

 

[Proceleon]

Maybe I'm missing something in your post but lol? Because I think that in any case what it's genuinely hard to believe is that someone could think that Dante would be Joker 2.0.

It's just hard to think of a niche that would be covered by Dante that isn't already done by Joker. He's already got both melee weapons and guns, he's already got a very active, acrobatic style of fighting and I can't help but think Devil Trigger would just be Arsene. I don't see how they'd play or feel different.

 

[Deleted member]

5. Nobunaga? (Dynasty Warriors)

*Samurai Warriors, but Nobunaga's Ambition is another game that features Nobunaga since, you know.

Also, it's Leap Day [in America], so today, I wanna know what potential DLC characters could end up having the highest jump or the best recover in Smash.

 

[Cosmic77]

Pokemon and FE are different in the sense that only one of the two requires Sakurai to go out of his way just to make a newcomer feel unique.

Honestly, I think it's harder to make a Pokemon a clone character than it is a fully unique character. Almost every Pokemon we have on the roster has a design and moveset so specific to them that the only way you might be able to get away with a clone character is if you pull a Pichu and pick a different evolutionary stage of the same Pokemon. Even then, there's still no guarantee it would work. Neither Litten or Torracat would works as an Incineroar clone.

With most FE characters, there aren't many traits that would force Sakurai to make the character unique. They're all human, they all carry the same weapon, and most of them don't have any skills or abilities that would be exclusive to them and only them. Marth has the most vanilla swordfighter moveset imaginable, as we can see by Sakurai being able to give it to three other characters. Ike and Robin are better (more the latter than the former), but there are still quite a few characters from the franchise who could work as a clone of either. Corrin and Byleth are the only characters so far that have a moveset so specific to them that Sakurai probably wouldn't be able to create a clone character (unless any of the 3H leaders get in, in which case Corrin would be the only one).

 

[Will]

It's just hard to think of a niche that would be covered by Dante that isn't already done by Joker. He's already got both melee weapons and guns, he's already got a very active, acrobatic style of fighting and I can't help but think Devil Trigger would just be Arsene. I don't see how they'd play or feel different.

Have you played a Devil May Cry game at all?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Have you played a Devil May Cry game at all?

My favorite scene in the whole series is when Dante awakens his persona

 

[Will]

My favorite scene in the whole series is when Dante awakens his persona

And no one can forget Dante's quirky cat companion, Nero.

 

[Wunderwaft]

On the topic of the Junko/Monokuma fake render, hypothetically if it's real, wouldn't Junko be a Pokemon Trainer figure of sorts just lounging in the background while Monokuma does the dirty work?

It'd probably be a way to justify having both. At the very least, that's what I think. Monokuma does the fighting and Junko being Junko in the background and reacting to the match.

I could see that happening, although at that point wouldn't the character just be Monokuma by itself?

My idea is that if Junko is gonna be shoehorned then you might as well let her play a role in the match. You could make her a duo character with Monokuma kinda like Rosalina and Luma. Of course you can also make her sit in the background where she reacts to the match, she can do stuff where if you press a special you can see Junko pressing something on her controller in the background to make Monokuma do that special.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

It's just hard to think of a niche that would be covered by Dante that isn't already done by Joker. He's already got both melee weapons and guns, he's already got a very active, acrobatic style of fighting and I can't help but think Devil Trigger would just be Arsene. I don't see how they'd play or feel different.

This is like the equivalent of saying Banjo would be a Duck Hunt echo due to the bird mammal combo, or Terry would be too similar to Ken due to both being blonde haired fg characters of American nationality

 

[Proceleon]

Have you played a Devil May Cry game at all?

I'd be more hyped for Dante if I had, but if you can tell me how Dante and Joker would be different, by all means do pitch.

This is like the equivalent of saying Banjo would be a Duck Hunt echo due to the bird mammal combo, or Terry would be too similar to Ken due to both being blonde haired fg characters of American nationality

No, that's appearance-based. I don't see how they'd PLAY and FEEL different.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's just hard to think of a niche that would be covered by Dante that isn't already done by Joker. He's already got both melee weapons and guns, he's already got a very active, acrobatic style of fighting and I can't help but think Devil Trigger would just be Arsene. I don't see how they'd play or feel different.

Look at literally half of this **** and if you tell me it's similar to Joker I will go to your house and steal the contents of your fridge

 

[Will]

I'd be more hyped for Dante if I had, but if you can tell me how Dante and Joker would be different, by all means do pitch.

I couldn't tell you **** about Joker, I haven't played Persona 5 at all, but I know a JRPG to an action hack n' slash.

You're saying Joker is the issue and not Hideki Kamiya's other hack n' slash character , because her and Dante are made by the same dude. I can expect people to draw similarities to Bayonetta, but never have I heard someone say Joker

 

[Deleted member]

I will go to your house and steal the contents of your fridge

this is genuinely more threatening than anything else you've ever said, including The Bike

 

[Proceleon]

I couldn't tell you **** about Joker, I haven't played Persona 5 at all, but I know a JRPG to an action hack n' slash.

You're saying Joker is the issue and not Hideki Kamiya's other hack n' slash character , because her and Dante are made by the same dude. I can expect people to draw similarities to Bayonetta, but never have I heard someone say Joker

Maybe I should rephrase. They obviously play different in their home games, they're different genres, but how would they be different in a Smash environment specifically?

 

[Will]

I don't know guys, I want Ryu Hayabusa in Smash and all, but he's just a little too much like Joker cause of his N-Air.

but how would they be different in a Smash environment specifically?

I don't think Dante has a Persona, his wacky voodoo magic spells, and a grappling hook.

All they have in common is that they have at least one pistol.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Look at literally half of this **** and if you tell me it's similar to Joker I will go to your house and steal the contents of your fridge

It's similar to Joker. Now can you come empty my fridge? It's overflowing with stuff I don't need.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's similar to Joker. Now can you come empty my fridge? It's overflowing with stuff I don't need.

Aa a bonus I'll raid the pantry

Maybe I should rephrase. They obviously play different in their home games, they're different genres, but how would they be different in a Smash environment specifically?

Dante's moves are made to be flashy as **** and Dante has tools for whatever situation he needs, in MvC his gimmick was having the most moves out of any character, there's also style or weapon switching to make him a stance character. Judging by DMC, Dante would be a more oppressive character though I'd make him on the lighter side to reflect how badly Dante gets ****ed up in 3 if you don't master the game in 4 seconds

 

[chocolatejr9]

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Aa a bonus I'll raid the pantry

Dante's moves are made to be flashy as **** and Dante has tools for whatever situation he needs, in MvC his gimmick was having the most moves out of any character, there's also style or weapon switching to make him a stance character. Judging by DMC, Dante would be a more oppressive character though I'd make him on the lighter side to reflect how badly Dante gets ****ed up in 3 if you don't master the game in 4 seconds

Thanks. Although I should probably clarify that the "similar to Joker" bit was a joke, before someone gets the wrong idea.

 

[SNEKeater]

It's just hard to think of a niche that would be covered by Dante that isn't already done by Joker. He's already got both melee weapons and guns, he's already got a very active, acrobatic style of fighting and I can't help but think Devil Trigger would just be Arsene. I don't see how they'd play or feel different.

As Will said, I would expect people to make comparisons with Bayonetta if Dante gets in, not because they would be similar but because they're from the same genre. But Joker... I didn't expect that. Besides Rain Storm, which is an original Dante move, they don't share anything else if we speak about moves.

Joker has a dagger, Dante has 20, 25? melee weapons and ranged weapons in his arsenal. Not counting the anime and the manga, which I didn't saw/read, where maybe he has even more weapons.
Then he has multiple style combats: Trickster, Gunslinger, Royalguard and Swordmaster. While I doubt Sakurai would incorporate a style switching mechanic for him like in the DMC games, he for sure would have some exclusive moves from these styles.
Devil Trigger could be a meter, but it could work differently. Like in the DMC games, the meter increases when Dante hits enemies, and he can transform whenever he wants. Arsene always appears when the meter is full, here, Dante could transform when he wants.

I mean, I'm not the best explaining potential movesets for characters, so you could check videos like this one

or this one

Honestly, Dante fits Smash very well and he could give like 4 or 5 movesets with all the **** he has in his arsenal. Not saying that if he happens, Sakurai would give him ALL his weapons or something like that. It depends in how Sakurai decides to approach Dante. One thing is for sure, I think he would be a bit more complex than the regular Smash character, I imagine him being a technic character.
But he has nothing to do with Joker. They're not similar at all, the only similarities they have is that both have guns and that maaaaybe, both characters appeal to a similar audience?? But nothing more.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Thanks. Although I should probably clarify that the "similar to Joker" bit was a joke, before someone gets the wrong idea.

Considering you only popped in this conversation to demand an empty fridge I think it was.


Also Devil Trigger usually gives Dante new moves and increased speed, so Arsene beefing up Joker's specials and adding an extra hit to all his attacks will look like weak **** when Dante's scaly ass drags your ass from one side of the stage to the other before killing you with Totally Not Psycho Crusher

 

[Proceleon]

As Will said, I would expect people to make comparisons with Bayonetta if Dante gets in, not because they would be similar but because they're from the same genre. But Joker... I didn't expect that. Besides Rain Storm, which is an original Dante move, they don't share anything else if we speak about moves.

Joker has a dagger, Dante has 20, 25? melee weapons and ranged weapons in his arsenal. Not counting the anime and the manga, which I didn't saw/read, where maybe he has even more weapons.
Then he has multiple style combats: Trickster, Gunslinger, Royalguard and Swordmaster. While I doubt Sakurai would incorporate a style switching mechanic for him like in the DMC games, he for sure would have some exclusive moves from these styles.
Devil Trigger could be a meter, but it could work differently. Like in the DMC games, the meter increases when Dante hits enemies, and he can transform whenever he wants. Arsene always appears when the meter is full, here, Dante could transform when he wants.

I mean, I'm not the best explaining potential movesets for characters, so you could check videos like this one

or this one

Honestly, Dante fits Smash very well and he could give like 4 or 5 movesets with all the **** he has in his arsenal. Not saying that if he happens, Sakurai would give him ALL his weapons or something like that. It depends in how Sakurai decides to approach Dante. One thing is for sure, I think he would be a bit more complex than the regular Smash character, I imagine him being a technic character.
But he has nothing to do with Joker. They're not similar at all, the only similarities they have is that both have guns and that maaaaybe, both characters appeal to a similar audience?? But nothing more.

Mmkay, the style bit would switch him up if they put that in, sure.
Not that I'm any more hyped about him, he still feels a bit.. what's the word? Overdone? Stale? Standard? One of those.

 

[3BitSaurus]

Cahrizard

I have now imagined a Charizard-themed car that spits fire. Thanks for making me think of that lol.

 

[Deleted member]

MFW someone looks at Dante from Devil May Cry or Marvel vs Capcom and tells me he wouldn't be unique.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Mmkay, the style bit would switch him up if they put that in, sure.
Not that I'm any more hyped about him, he still feels a bit.. what's the word? Overdone? Stale? Standard? One of those.

No other character in the game has even a fraction of the level of bull**** Dante's fighting style would bring solely in terms of crazy animations, not many franchises have the same musical style as Dante meaning if you meant aesthetics, you're wrong there too. The only sword styles Smash acknowledges are basic slashes or refined swordsmanship with a smidge of brutish swings, Dante the Clown would spit on all of those and show that there's still so much left to be done with swords

 

[Deleted member]

Mmkay, the style bit would switch him up if they put that in, sure.
Not that I'm any more hyped about him, he still feels a bit.. what's the word? Overdone? Stale? Standard? One of those.

People said the same thing about Hero or Terry and they ended up being some of the most unique characters in Ultimate. I wouldn't jump to conclusions yet.

 

[SNEKeater]

Mmkay, the style bit would switch him up if they put that in, sure.
Not that I'm any more hyped about him, he still feels a bit.. what's the word? Overdone? Stale? Standard? One of those.

Don't want to sound rude but have you actually saw the videos?

Maybe it seems I'm being dramatic or something but honestly, Dante being called standard was one thing I never thought I would read in my life.

 

[Dr. Jojo Phantasma]

If Dante is "standard" then a lot of potential characters would be gravely sub-standard compared to him.

 

[Mr. Game + Watch]

Funny that the thread is talking about company passes, I actually had a dream after banjos announcement that he actually wasn’t part of the main fighters pass but was part of a Microsoft pass along with master chief and Steve and the fourth one was still not revealed yet, I wonder what it would been?

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Funny that the thread is talking about company passes, I actually had a dream after banjos announcement that he actually wasn’t part of the main fighters pass but was part of a Microsoft pass along with master chief and Steve and the fourth one was still not revealed yet, I wonder what it would been?

Clippy's being saved for E3

just you wait

 

[Aerospherology]

Clippy's being saved for E3

just you wait

clippy tomorrow

 

[chocolatejr9]

MFW someone looks at Dante from Devil May Cry or Marvel vs Capcom and tells me he wouldn't be unique.

I SAID I WAS JOKING!!!!!!

 

[Deleted member]

I SAID I WAS JOKING!!!!!!

I wasn't talking about you.

 

[TwiceEXE]

Ya'll think MKLeo is going to pick up Sword Joker when he releases?