Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[blackghost]

Hey, it's been a minute since we got a crappy 4Chan leak. This one at least has a fresh name in it.View attachment 260313

this is fake for more than just the obvious. sakurai is about character accuracy in smash the fighting games, in particular, demonstrate this. Akuma is not the "heavy" shoto in street fighter. Thats sagat. akuma is actually pichu to pikachu. he's a glass cannon with extreme offensive abilities but low health.

zelda doesnt have characters because it is represented by music, stages, and items more so than characters. one-off zelda character havent got into smash brothers. only exception is shiek and that's literally just zelda disguised. champions, midna, masked skull kid, even tetra (another disguised zelda) zelda is about the same three characters across various incarnations. link is represented 3 times.

I will always find it funny the smash community says there are too many FE characters when they begged for chrome and roy.

 

[N3ON]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on whether there have been 2 DLC revealed and released at the same time?

Just wanting to see the odds of that happening within this pass.

This happened twice in Smash 4, with Roy and Ryu being revealed simultaneously, and being released right after (with Lucas), and with Corrin and Bayo who were revealed together, and released together two months later.

However, that doubling (and tripling) up was allegedly due to the technical limitations of the 3DS whereby it was most cost-effective to do fewer updates.

This time only Hero and Banjo have been revealed during the same presentation, though obv they weren't released together.

A dual release seems quite unlikely when you consider there's about two years in which six characters will be released.

 

[Will]

are you familiar with fighting games

you're on a forum for an obviously party game and you ask me that question?

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Hi, I'm late to the Sora debate party, but take it from me....Sora can hold his own without Disney characters. Recent installment proves that they have no effect on Sora's playstyle. I mean, Donald & Goofy I can understand, but as said before, Sora's moveset is not at all dependent of them.

The trouble to me still is if Disney is stingy enough to plaster in their mouse in the game. Now, for me, I'd kinda like to see the mouse & the plumber, two of the most iconic mascots in history, to duke it out, but....no. No one wants that at all.

I still couldn’t see him without Disney characters showing up in some shape and form...as a non-KH fan it seems weird to me regardless of whose words I’m supposed to take

 

[blackghost]

you're on a forum for an obviously party game and you ask me that question?

let me rephrase. traditional fighting games. with inputs, no platforms and the whole nine yards.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on whether there have been 2 DLC revealed and released at the same time?

Just wanting to see the odds of that happening within this pass.

Roy and Ryu at E3 2015. They were datamined beforehand

 

[GoodGrief741]

Talking about weird 4chan leaks, I saw that one 2 days ago. I know it's fake but it's so weird that I screenshot it.

I have insider info, so I can confidently say that this person is wrong, but not because they don't have sources. It's more of a simple mistake they made, really.

We aren't getting Josh from Until Dawn, we're getting Freddy Mercury. Rookie mistake.

 

[Will]

let me rephrase. traditional fighting games. with inputs, no platforms and the whole nine yards.

that was the joke

no, i can't play them, it hurts my wrist

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Besides if we were to get Until Dawn it'd be in an PSASBR sequel and I'd rather it be Hannah Washington/Wendigo.

If ANY Sony character gets in its Kratos (& Atreus).

 

[PLATINUM7]

This happened twice in Smash 4, with Roy and Ryu being revealed simultaneously, and being released right after (with Lucas), and with Corrin and Bayo who were revealed together, and released together two months later.

However, that doubling (and tripling) up was allegedly due to the technical limitations of the 3DS whereby it was most cost-effective to do fewer updates.

This time only Hero and Banjo have been revealed during the same presentation, though obv they weren't released together.

A dual release seems quite unlikely when you consider there's about two years in which six characters will be released.

I thought it was because the 3DS only allowed developers a limited number of updates for the game and the Wii U had a limited timeframe for developers to update the game.

 

[RetroBro]

wait how do we know if that Akuma **** is fake or not?

 

[Megadoomer]

Can someone give me a quick rundown on whether there have been 2 DLC revealed and released at the same time?

Just wanting to see the odds of that happening within this pass.

It depends on what you mean by "at the same time" (do you mean "both fighters were announced and immediately released" or "both fighters were announced together and, later, released together"), but for Smash 4, Roy and Ryu meet the first criteria (coming out on the day of that presentation), and from what I recall, Corrin and Bayonetta fit the second (they were announced on the same day and I believe they were released on the same day). Not sure whether or not you'd count the first one, seeing as Roy is a series veteran and a (semi?)clone. (I don't play enough of Roy to know how significant the differences were in Smash 4 between him and Marth aside from hitboxes and fire, or what's changed since Melee)

 

[JustMyself13]

wait how do we know if that Akuma **** is fake or not?

If we believed every single random 4chan leak that claims to know the next fighter we would’ve had every fan-demanded character playable in the fifth pass slot.

 

[BZL8]

Hey, it's been a minute since we got a crappy 4Chan leak. This one at least has a fresh name in it.View attachment 260313

If we're talking Street Fighter reps, only one name comes to mind: Seth.

wait how do we know if that Akuma **** is fake or not?

It's a 4Chan post. A 4Chan post that is in regards to Smash. You very rarely stumble upon such a post that is accurate to its word if not ever.

 

[Jomosensual]

wait how do we know if that Akuma **** is fake or not?

Because just about all 4 chan leaks are fake and this one had too much personal opinion shoved into it. It read like someone posting on here for 2/3 of it

 

[Faso115]

I'm confident the only third party company never happening is smash is Sony.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I still couldn’t see him without Disney characters showing up in some shape and form...as a non-KH fan it seems weird to me regardless of whose words I’m supposed to take

The Disney characters aren't even real half the time.

In the 3DS game they were illusions, in the DS game they were digital replicas and in the GBA game they were figment of Sora's imagination. So if you want to get technical he can easily exist without them.

 

[MisterMike]

I'm confident the only third party company never happening is smash is Sony.

Characters having an appearance or their game on a Nintendo console is considered a courtesy, not a rule. Never say never.

 

[zeldasmash]

wait how do we know if that Akuma **** is fake or not?

Wait, what? Akuma is brought up? How? What did I miss?

 

[Will]

Wait, what? Akuma is brought up? How? What did I miss?

4chan be 4channing

 

[Megadoomer]

Wait, what? Akuma is brought up? How? What did I miss?

It was brought up a couple of pages ago.

Hey, it's been a minute since we got a crappy 4Chan leak. This one at least has a fresh name in it.View attachment 260313

It's an obvious fake (random anonymous 4chan text posts are about as reliable as kids who claim that their uncle works for Nintendo), but I'd be excited if we got Akuma. (not my first choice for a Capcom character by any means, but he'd still be hype-worthy)

 

[P.Kat]

I'm confident the only third party company never happening is smash is Sony.

You never know Sakurai is full of surprises, even though Sony is known for not playing nice with others, something that I think is slowly dissolving.

Im not sure but I think Minecraft now has cross play with Nintendo, Microsoft, and now Sony, but I could be mistaken.

Either way if we get a Sony character, Kat from Gravity Rush would be my most wanted Sony character, follow by Sly Cooper, Jak, and Daxter, and PaRappa the Rapper

 

[zeldasmash]

It look fake as hell.

Akuma would be awesome to have in the game, though.

 

[Kokiden]

It depends on what you mean by "at the same time" (do you mean "both fighters were announced and immediately released" or "both fighters were announced together and, later, released together"), but for Smash 4, Roy and Ryu meet the first criteria (coming out on the day of that presentation), and from what I recall, Corrin and Bayonetta fit the second (they were announced on the same day and I believe they were released on the same day). Not sure whether or not you'd count the first one, seeing as Roy is a series veteran and a (semi?)clone. (I don't play enough of Roy to know how significant the differences were in Smash 4 between him and Marth aside from hitboxes and fire, or what's changed since Melee)

Should've worded that better. My bad.

I meant more the former but your answer and what others have provided for my question are exactly what I needed to know. Thanks.

 

[P.Kat]

I didn't realize that Kat crossed over with such a good amount of games including Phantasy Star Online 2 which is on the Nintendo Switch in Japan. It's a bit of reach, but her chances as a Sony character aren't too out there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gr...gravity-rushs-crossovers-game-franchises/amp/

 

[perfectchaos83]

Disney was OK with putting Wreck it Ralph in Sonic All Stars Racing Transformed (I think that was in base game too). No they did not screw over Sega.

The thing people seem to miss is that both projects were being worked on at the same time. It's far more likely that Sega negotiated for Ralph to be in the game after Disney Approached them about Sonic in the movie. I've said it plenty of times, when Disney wants something from you it's easy to work with Disney because Disney will stop at nothing to get what they want. They have the money to do it. However, if you want something from Disney, they will and always will have the upper hand and they will bleed you dry. You don't become a multi-billion dollar mega-corporation by being nice or generous. If Sora's going to be in Smash, Disney will have to make the first move, because that's the kind of company Disney is.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

The Disney characters aren't even real half the time.

In the 3DS game they were illusions, in the DS game they were digital replicas and in the GBA game they were figment of Sora's imagination. So if you want to get technical he can easily exist without them.

ok what the hell? Any talk of Kingdom Hearts is only getting me more confused, might be good for me to stay confused

 

[Faso115]

Hamster are love, Hamsters are life.

That's why Rick the Hamster is bae and y'all sleeping on him

 

[Hadokeyblade]

ok what the hell? Any talk of Kingdom Hearts is only getting me more confused, might be good for me to stay confused

It makes sense in context.

Like how in the 3DS game the whole plot revolved around Sora going into a dimension called the sleeping worlds, where world's that were destroyed in earlier instalments still exist in a dream, so the people he was helping were part of that dream.

Except the Square Enix characters, those are the real deal.

 

[DevaAshera]

This happened twice in Smash 4, with Roy and Ryu being revealed simultaneously, and being released right after (with Lucas), and with Corrin and Bayo who were revealed together, and released together two months later.

However, that doubling (and tripling) up was allegedly due to the technical limitations of the 3DS whereby it was most cost-effective to do fewer updates.

This time only Hero and Banjo have been revealed during the same presentation, though obv they weren't released together.

A dual release seems quite unlikely when you consider there's about two years in which six characters will be released.

Sakurai said that Lucas, Ryu, and Roy were released at the same due to 3DS titles only being able to be updated a set number of times, so I don't think it'll happen again. Released when revealed though, I could see that if they wanted to do it again.

I still couldn’t see him without Disney characters showing up in some shape and form...as a non-KH fan it seems weird to me regardless of whose words I’m supposed to take

Whenever Sora appears in a non-Disney crossover, he never appears with other Disney characters unless they are also Kingdom Hearts original characters.
World of Final Fantasy
- Appears in his Dream Drop Distance form.
- Only Sora appears.
Final Fantasy Record Keeper
- Appears in his first Kingdom Hearts appearance with KHIII as a costume.
- Appears alongside Riku (KH, KHIII), Roxas, & Axel.
- Cloud & Squall receive their costumes from the first Kingdom Hearts.
Final Fantasy Brave Exvius
- Appears in his first Kingdom Hearts appearance.
- Only Sora appears.
- Another Cloud in his first Kingdom Hearts appearance appears.

The only non-Kingdom Hearts Disney thing in any of these crossovers is the Hidden Mickey that serves as the Kingdom Key's keychain.
This shows two things..
1) Disney doesn't mind licensing out Sora (yes, they are all Square-Enix titles but I doubt Disney would deny Nintendo given how big a name they, and Smash Bros, are).
2) Sora can appear without any non-KH Disney characters just fine.

 

[Smashoperatingbuddy123]

This is extremely fake, although we do know that Spirits can be renamed, which I think is evidence in the direction that base game Spirits are not deconfirmations.

Wait doesn’t that help geno

And how do we know this Akuma thing is fake?
(And just because it’s 4chan is banned as answer to me simply due to not all of these are fake but almost 100% of the time they are)

 

[DarthEnderX]

And how do we know this Akuma thing is fake?

Because a leaker is saying it.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Because a leaker is saying it.

And not just any leaker. A 4chan "leaker." The worst kind.

No picture leak outside of ESRB and Ken Leak has ever been proven right, and both of those were by people outside of the dev team. No way would a 4chan rando have a clear photo of a character.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

It makes sense in context.

Like how in the 3DS game the whole plot revolved around Sora going into a dimension called the sleeping worlds, where world's that were destroyed in earlier instalments still exist in a dream, so the people he was helping were part of that dream.

Except the Square Enix characters, those are the real deal.

it makes some sense when dumbed down for small minded simpleton like myself

Sakurai said that Lucas, Ryu, and Roy were released at the same due to 3DS titles only being able to be updated a set number of times, so I don't think it'll happen again. Released when revealed though, I could see that if they wanted to do it again.

Whenever Sora appears in a non-Disney crossover, he never appears with other Disney characters unless they are also Kingdom Hearts original characters.
World of Final Fantasy
- Appears in his Dream Drop Distance form.
- Only Sora appears.
Final Fantasy Record Keeper
- Appears in his first Kingdom Hearts appearance with KHIII as a costume.
- Appears alongside Riku (KH, KHIII), Roxas, & Axel.
- Cloud & Squall receive their costumes from the first Kingdom Hearts.
Final Fantasy Brave Exvius
- Appears in his first Kingdom Hearts appearance.
- Only Sora appears.
- Another Cloud in his first Kingdom Hearts appearance appears.

The only non-Kingdom Hearts Disney thing in any of these crossovers is the Hidden Mickey that serves as the Kingdom Key's keychain.
This shows two things..
1) Disney doesn't mind licensing out Sora (yes, they are all Square-Enix titles but I doubt Disney would deny Nintendo given how big a name they, and Smash Bros, are).
2) Sora can appear without any non-KH Disney characters just fine.

well if that’s the case, then Sora got some good chances then (even though it would be unfortunate to not see Mickey or Donald/Goofy in Smash)

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Hey, it's been a minute since we got a crappy 4Chan leak. This one at least has a fresh name in it.View attachment 260313

If we get another Street Fighter rep, we're getting Chun-Li. Smash is literally the ONLY crossover where Ryu is playable but not her, let alone Ken. And she's probably one of the most iconic fighting game characters of all time alongside Ryu.

On the other hand, what would a Street Fighter character's hypothetical spirit board even look like? Would they dig in for more Street Fighter characters that aren't already spirits, or take from other Capcom franchises that couldn't get a rep, like how Terry's used other SNK series?

 

[Guynamednelson]

On the other hand, what would a Street Fighter character's hypothetical spirit board even look like? Would they dig in for more Street Fighter characters that aren't already spirits, or take from other Capcom franchises that couldn't get a rep, like how Terry's used other SNK series?

I'd assume it'd focus on SFV, since it doesn't have any spirits.

 

[PSIGuy]

It’s a shame that the multiple Fighter updates only happened due to technical issues, a splash of new content is way preferable to single Fighter additions imo. Instead of seeing 100 Ryus or Byleths online you get about 60 Ryus and 20 Roys and Lucases. Echo Fighters would be a good fit for this.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

If we get another Street Fighter rep, we're getting Chun-Li. Smash is literally the ONLY crossover where Ryu is playable but not her, let alone Ken.

On the other hand, what would a Street Fighter character's hypothetical spirit board even look like? Would they dig in for more Street Fighter characters that aren't already spirits, or take from other Capcom franchises that couldn't get a rep, like how Terry's used other SNK series?

Street fighter 5 mixed in with a bit of Darkstalkers, Rival Schools and Streets of rage. The Capcom cinematic universe.

 

[DevaAshera]

it makes some sense when dumbed down for small minded simpleton like myself

well if that’s the case, then Sora got some good chances then (even though it would be unfortunate to not see Mickey or Donald/Goofy in Smash)

While I agree, if that's the sacrifice to have Sora in Smash, its worth it.
That said, Sakurai has only ever said only video game characters in regards to fighters..Sora is in a strange special case in that his supporting cast consists of established characters from other media..he is one of, if not the only, video game characters that can really say this since naturally most games' supporting casts are all characters original to the series.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

While I agree, if that's the sacrifice to have Sora in Smash, its worth it.
That said, Sakurai has only ever said only video game characters in regards to fighters..Sora is in a strange special case in that his supporting cast consists of established characters from other media..he is one of, if not the only, video game characters that can really say this since naturally most games' supporting casts are all characters original to the series.

Sora is a unique person indeed...also that first line is on some Thanos “soul for a soul” type ****