Newcomer Discussion: Mew [v2.1]

[Florida]

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Appearances:

• Pokémon Games (too many to list fully)
• Pokémon the Movie: Mewtwo Strikes Back!
• Pokémon: Mewtwo Returns
• Pokémon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew
• Show Me Your News Podcast-- Episode 10 [section: who's in] (<--- 'tis a joke)

Mew, the one hundred fifty-first, and most awesome Pokémon. Mew is 1'04" tall, and weighs 8.8lbs. His DNA matches with the rest of the Pokémon (exluding a few such as Arceus, Deoxys, etc.), thus he has the ability to learn most of the Pokémon moves. Can anyone say "moveset made easy"?

Obviously, Mew is on the top of my list for Brawl appearances (PC). And ever since Munchlax was confirmed as being a Pokéball item, I figured that the chances of Mew increased (well, the chances for any Pokémon increased really, but you get what I mean). So, I bet you're ready to read a lengthy post of me ranting on about why Mew should be playable, huh? Well, before you begin, know that I know Mew has low chances. But any slim chance is still a chance! Simple enough?--good! Then let's get started with some common arguments.

Mew has been a Pokéball item in the previous games; that won't change.
Actually, it could change, just look at Charizard! Now you might be getting that a lot from other people supporting their Pokémon hopefuls that were Pokéballs in the last two Smash games; well, deal with it, you'll be getting it a lot more in these next three months!

Alright, but we already have Mewtwo, why should Sakurai add another clone?
First of all, Mewtwo is the clone of Mew, so hah! Second of all, I personally think that Mewtwo won't be making it back into Brawl. Ever since Red (PT) was confirmed as a playable character, everyone's been speculating on what his Final Smash might be. Well, a lot of people have come up with the possibility of Red calling upon Mewtwo for his Final Smash, and it seems likely. Also Sakurai stated that not every character from Melee was returning, and he never mentioned anything about just the clones being left-behind. Sure this doesn't actually lower Mewtwo's chances, this is all just my opinion. But yeah, Mew would be somewhat similar to what Mewtwo was in Melee, overall.

As of 9/27/07, Pokémon Trainer's Final Smash is confirmed to not be Mewtwo, but the "Triple Finish" instead. Now what?
Yeah, that update pretty much blew my whole reasoning away; but there's still some hope for Mew, right? Well, maybe not, anymore. Mewtwo is almost a given veteran fighter, now that being a PC is the only reasonable inclusion, and since Sakurai is aiming this game more at villains this time. -sigh-, I'll just keep on hoping-- maybe they'll add both Mew and Mewtwo?

Still, there are a lot of other Pokémon that deserve to make it into Smash before Mew does.
That's a biased statement; no character really "deserves" to be in Brawl. Even popularity doesn't win Sakurai over. Take Samurai Goroh and Munchlax for instance: they were really popular choices in Japan, yet they didn't make the cut. And I think Sakurai even said somewhere that he isn't fond of seeing suggested popular characters for the game. Which leads to more hope for the little guys! Here's the quote: (thanks andrew14j!)

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#201-210: Sakurai says in response to an email asking only for well-known characters (like Mario, Link, etc.) to appear in SSBB, "Asking only for popular characters to appear in Smash...doesn't get me excited".

So that's why Diddy Kong and Ike made it in the game?
No, but it's why Samurai Goroh and Munchlax aren't.
Cross canceled.

Was Mew even on Sakurai's poll?
Eh... no, heheh, you got me there. But like I said, I'm well aware that Mew's chances are rather low. But that still is not a reason to not support your most-wanted character for Brawl!​

I tried my best to answer any possible arguments against Mew's inclusion in Brawl. If I forgot something, or if one of you comes up with a genuine argument, then I'll add it above and answer it with my jerk attitude. I hope that the arguments section cleared some things up, and I really hope that you actually read it. 'Cause, you know, that's the whole reason that I created it.

Edit: Moveset removed due to terms of violation... or, something like that.

Phew! That took some time.
Hopefully you can spare some of your time to read before posting?
Yeah, that's that! I'll be editing this post when necessary (like when I decide to add some more pictures, or something). But now that you're done reading, share your thoughts, by posting something intelligent and constructive!

Now, what am I supposed to sa-- oh yeah, Mew for Brawl!

 

[Homelessvagrant]

I think Mew should be Red's final smash rather than Mewtwo.

 

[Kirby knight]

I highly doubt Mew will make it into the game as a playable character. You may bring up that he can learn any TM or HM move; however Mewtwo has acess to most of the TM's Mew does so why doesn't Sakurai incorporate Ice beam, Thunderbolt, and Flamethrower into his moveset? The reason I can see why he's not doing that is to be canon to the respective pokemon; Personally I think the Mewtwo is more based of the Movie than it is the game. If Mew were to be in the game he would be similar to the movie or the moves he learns naturally.

I mean if Munchlax conformation raises Mew's chances then the other little legendarys such as Celebi, Jirachi and Manaphy should also be on par with Mew.

And I think Sakurai even said somewhere that he isn't fond of seeing suggested popular characters for the game. Which leads to more hope for the little guys!

Where the hell did you see that quote? If Sakurai doesn't like suggested popular characters why in the heck did Ike and Diddy make it in? Sakurai's isn't going to not add a character into the game just because they're popular. My god if Sakurai isn't fond of popular character why on earth would he let Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo into the game? Seeing as the only reason why they're in the game is because they're popular. Sakurai's not going to say " well these pokemon are popular so I think I'll add Pidgey, Caterpie and Koffing instead" x_x I really want to know where you've seen that quote.

In my honest opinion Mew will stay as a pokeball. He's way to similar to Mewtwo; he'd be a clone of his clone. I'm going to bring up the TM list again and if you look at what Mew can learn and what Mewtwo can learn sidebyside you will see that Mew doesn't learn that many more TM's than Mewtwo.

-Knight

 

[Fawriel]

I used to hope for Mew, and he's technically not all that unlikely. He could well be a speedier replacement for Mewtwo. On the other hand, Mewtwo is awesome, and a lot of people wish for him to return.

There's not really much to argue about. Mew could replace Mewtwo, but the question is, why would he? After all, there must have been reasons why his clone was chosen over him in the first place, right?

What I find weird is that you argue that Mewtwo could be PT's Final Smash. If I recall correctly, Mew himself was suggested for that role more often, and seems to fit the bill better, too. Mew is very iconic and a true representative of Pokemon as a whole, which could also get him a playable role, but Mewtwo has that plus the role of the only real Pokemon villain. That, I think, is why he was chosen over Mew, besides his infamous uber status.

 

[killbeast301]

Mewtwo is just plain cooler. More badass. That's all really, that mewtwo needs, to be in instead of mew.

Mew is interesting though.

 

[Arteen]

I also think Mew would be a fun playable character, but I don't see it happening. For a pokemon who can learn any move, I don't see anything other than a few psychic moves and headbutt in your moveset. Metronome wouldn't work in a practical sense anyway. Not all the B moves of each character work the same way. For Link, the bow is designed so the player holds down B until ready, but for others like Captain Falcon, the Falcon Punch is designed to be tapped once, but for others like Fox, the blaster is designed to be repeatedly tapped. The player wouldn't have any clue what to do, so it would be a useless move. Besides, we already have Kirby doing nearly the same thing.

Where are Mew's ice, fire, water, grass, rock, and other moves? He can learn all the TMs, so why not give him some elemental attacks?

And I think Sakurai even said somewhere that he isn't fond of seeing suggested popular characters for the game.

Which is why Diddy and Ike aren't in the game.

I think Mew should be Red's final smash rather than Mewtwo.

Agreed. I could see Mew fitting that role much better.

 

[Tyrannotaur]

If Mew where to make it his B moves would be all Pokémon moves. Just like Pikachu, Pichu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, and Pokémon Trainer's pokémon. This "Bubble Shield" you refer to is a move called Barrier.

Mewtwo wouldn't get axed for Mew. If anything he'd get axed for Lucario. I really highly doubt he is being axed. Sakurai seems to want to keep the Melee roster. I don't blame him.

Mew I think should stay as a Pokéball Pokémon giving you a huge bonus along with Celebi and Jirachi. It is a creative idea, and I think it would be awesome to play as him.

As much as I like Mew ( I've EV Trained the one I got from an event) I would much rather fight as Mewtwo in Brawl.

 

[Florida]

I highly doubt Mew will make it into the game as a playable character. You may bring up that he can learn any TM or HM move; however Mewtwo has acess to most of the TM's Mew does so why doesn't Sakurai incorporate Ice beam, Thunderbolt, and Flamethrower into his moveset? The reason I can see why he's not doing that is to be canon to the respective pokemon; Personally I think the Mewtwo is more based of the Movie than it is the game. If Mew were to be in the game he would be similar to the movie or the moves he learns naturally.

I mean if Munchlax conformation raises Mew's chances then the other little legendarys such as Celebi, Jirachi and Manaphy should also be on par with Mew.



Where the hell did you see that quote? If Sakurai doesn't like suggested popular characters why in the heck did Ike and Diddy make it in? Sakurai's isn't going to not add a character into the game just because they're popular. My god if Sakurai isn't fond of popular character why on earth would he let Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Mewtwo into the game? Seeing as the only reason why they're in the game is because they're popular. Sakurai's not going to say " well these pokemon are popular so I think I'll add Pidgey, Caterpie and Koffing instead" x_x I really want to know where you've seen that quote.

In my honest opinion Mew will stay as a pokeball. He's way to similar to Mewtwo; he'd be a clone of his clone. I'm going to bring up the TM list again and if you look at what Mew can learn and what Mewtwo can learn sidebyside you will see that Mew doesn't learn that many more TM's than Mewtwo.

-Knight

Wow, already people who are mis-reading my post. Sakurai said (somewhere) that he's more interested in non-popular characters being suggested for Brawl. Of course popular characters such as Ike and Diddy Kong will be in Brawl, but he also shares some love for not-so popular as well. As for where I got that quote from, I don't exactly remember :S sorry, lol.

Actually, since I don't remember where I got it from, I'm begining to think that the statement is false. I'll try to investigate that.

Edit: A quick response to "Look at Diddy & Ike!":
Samurai Goroh and Munchlax cross that argument out.

Double edit: Another quick response to the "Jirachi, Celebi, etc." statement:
Ugh... read my post, I said afterwards that it raised the chances of ANY Pokémon character, really.

I used to hope for Mew, and he's technically not all that unlikely. He could well be a speedier replacement for Mewtwo. On the other hand, Mewtwo is awesome, and a lot of people wish for him to return.

There's not really much to argue about. Mew could replace Mewtwo, but the question is, why would he? After all, there must have been reasons why his clone was chosen over him in the first place, right?

What I find weird is that you argue that Mewtwo could be PT's Final Smash. If I recall correctly, Mew himself was suggested for that role more often, and seems to fit the bill better, too. Mew is very iconic and a true representative of Pokemon as a whole, which could also get him a playable role, but Mewtwo has that plus the role of the only real Pokemon villain. That, I think, is why he was chosen over Mew, besides his infamous uber status.

As I've said in my first post numerous times, I know that Mew's chances are low! Mew is more of a hopeful, not a high-chanced character. And Mew was suggested for Red's Final Smash? I could've sworn it was Mewtwo.

And the fact that Mewtwo is a villain left my mind >.>
Changes my theory of his chances a bit.

Mewtwo is just plain cooler. More badass. That's all really, that mewtwo needs, to be in instead of mew.

Mew is interesting though.

And we get a biased post! Dark orange, size 2, bold.

I also think Mew would be a fun playable character, but I don't see it happening. For a pokemon who can learn any move, I don't see anything other than a few psychic moves and headbutt in your moveset. Metronome wouldn't work in a practical sense anyway. Not all the B moves of each character work the same way. For Link, the bow is designed so the player holds down B until ready, but for others like Captain Falcon, the Falcon Punch is designed to be tapped once, but for others like Fox, the blaster is designed to be repeatedly tapped. The player wouldn't have any clue what to do, so it would be a useless move. Besides, we already have Kirby doing nearly the same thing.

Where are Mew's ice, fire, water, grass, rock, and other moves? He can learn all the TMs, so why not give him some elemental attacks?


Which is why Diddy and Ike aren't in the game.


Agreed. I could see Mew fitting that role much better.

Diddy + Ike thing, read above. As for the "Tm's + Hm's, moveset anyone?!" thing, I tried to add some sort of humor in my post. That would've been pretty obvious if you read the whole thing. Your Metronome argument is correct though, I might have to change that.

If Mew where to make it his B moves would be all Pokémon moves. Just like Pikachu, Pichu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, and Pokémon Trainer's pokémon. This "Bubble Shield" you refer to is a move called Barrier.

Mewtwo wouldn't get axed for Mew. If anything he'd get axed for Lucario. I really highly doubt he is being axed. Sakurai seems to want to keep the Melee roster. I don't blame him.

Mew I think should stay as a Pokéball Pokémon giving you a huge bonus along with Celebi and Jirachi. It is a creative idea, and I think it would be awesome to play as him.

As much as I like Mew ( I've EV Trained the one I got from an event) I would much rather fight as Mewtwo in Brawl.

I'm really trying to say that if Mewtwo were to be "axed", then Mew would be a nice replacement in my opinion. And I didn't really understand your first paragraph, re-word please. Also, Mew's Pokéball appearance being "creative"? That's why it was the same in the last two games then?

EDIT:
Popularity.
Something I'll add to the arguments section when I get the chance.

Double Edit:
Popularity section added.
More info in the Stance / Misc. section added.
Thread title changed to v1.2

 

[Sariku]

You asked for it egruntz...

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I just think Mew doesn't deserve it... over Lucario.

 

[MysticKenji]

I'd rather have Mew2, but if he gets axed I could support Mew.

And change the B-moves except for Teleport.

 

[axemangx]

Mew learned litteraly every TM in the game, had Transform, etc etc.


Doubt it.

 

[xianfeng]

I remember Mew from the movie I watched years ago!

 

[Princess Diana]

I think mew's pretty cute. I don't really see him getting in but if he does I wouldn't be mad. I'd like for him to get in over Lucario! Oh yeah, the moveset isn't really good cause they're attacks are supposed to be attacks from the actual pokemon game...

 

[Bassoonist]

Mew would make an awesome Final Smash.

Anyways, I believe the quote you're looking for was one on the original site that SamuraiPanda translated for us in this topic:

#201-210: Sakurai says in response to an email asking only for well-known characters (like Mario, Link, etc.) to appear in SSBB, "Asking only for popular characters to appear in Smash...doesn't get me excited"

 

[Dr.Feelgood]

I think for Red's final smash, mew and mew2 should come out,, and become surrounded in balls of energy and like,, fight eachother like in the movie, but while they fly around they hit other players and do massive damage.

 

[Bassoonist]

I think for Red's final smash, mew and mew2 should come out,, and become surrounded in balls of energy and like,, fight eachother like in the movie, but while they fly around they hit other players and do massive damage.

That just doesn't stay true to the idea of the Pokemon Trainer. From the update it seemed like Sakurai was trying to keep it as much like the games as possible... Having more then one Pokemon out isn't fair (except for the duo battles or whatever you call them.)

I seriously doubt they will have more then one Pokemon come out. My hope is that Mewtwo keeps his spot, at least.

 

[Florida]

Thanks a lot for that quote, Andrew! I was searching through that thread, odd that it slipped by me.
With that, I'll be making a new moveset.
(only the B moves though, I like the rest, lol).

And I'll respond to some other posts when I'm done with that.
(nice spam, sari)

EDIT:

I'd rather have Mew2, but if he gets axed I could support Mew.

And change the B-moves except for Teleport.

Changed only one B move, I kept the rest.

Mew learned litteraly every TM in the game, had Transform, etc etc.


Doubt it.

... more constructive, please?

I remember Mew from the movie I watched years ago!

Yeah, wasn't it awesome?! >.>

I think mew's pretty cute. I don't really see him getting in but if he does I wouldn't be mad. I'd like for him to get in over Lucario! Oh yeah, the moveset isn't really good cause they're attacks are supposed to be attacks from the actual pokemon game...

Ugh, not all of the attacks are from games. Some are made up, or taken from movies.
(e.g.: mewtwo / fox) correct me if I'm wrong.

I think for Red's final smash, mew and mew2 should come out,, and become surrounded in balls of energy and like,, fight eachother like in the movie, but while they fly around they hit other players and do massive damage.

I'd rather have his Final Smash be scratch

 

[Fawriel]

For the record, I wasn't so much arguing against Mew as I was arguing for Mewtwo.

Mew would make a lovely Final Smash on his own. But since Psychic types are overused, his move could be Transform, making him quickly and briefly turn into any high-ranked Pokeball Pokemon and perform its respective attack, and depending on how powerful that attack was, continue transforming into another one in some other spot on the screen.
Highly unpredictable and dangerous.

 

[metallic shadow]

mewtwo PWNZORX the little crappy fetus we know as mew.

PT can summon rayquaaza if he wants a final smash.
wait..i have an idea if you want to see it go to PT's discoussion

 

[Homelessvagrant]

No Lucario should be his final smash

*mega lolz*

No if Reds sends out a legendary poke as his final smash it should be a legendary bird. the poke would correspond with the poke out

Charizard=Moltres

Squirtle=Articuno

Ivysaur=Zapdos

This could also correspond with the legenday dogs, Regi's, or even the emotion pokes. Heatran, Darkrai, Mew, or Arceus could be cool too.

 

[MFZ95]

Mew would appear and send everyone out to their mommies for Pkmn trainers final smash

 

[metallic shadow]

PT's final smash will depend on his pokemon:

squrtle: hydro cannon

ivysaur: frenzy plant

charizard: blast burn


you may alerady know but these 3 attacks are known as the "elemental hyper beams"
wich only can be teached to the starter of the type of the attack.

 

[Florida]

I thought that people speculated Mewtwo as Red's Final Smash, because they had some sort of connection through the Magna. That's how I've come to lean toward that theory... or maybe because I just wanted more of a reason for Mew to be in the game, who knows?

M4B

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Mew should have Transform

 

[Florida]

Mew should have Transform

A.K.A.: my Final Smash suggestion.

 

[IllidR]

Oooh, Mew as a character. That's win.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The only place I seem to see Mew is in a Poke Ball. Same fate goes with Celebi and Jirachi too.

 

[Steel Braxus]

Geno has a higher chance of being in the game than Mew.

 

[Reyairia]

As much as I wanted to see Mew when I first unlocked Mewtwo, I doubt that Mew will make it in, and much less as a Mewtwo replacement. I can however, see Mewtwo and Mew working together Ice Climber style or switching like the PT's pokemon.
... Now that I think about it, a Mewtwo/Mew team-up would be SWEET.

 

[Fawriel]

As much as I wanted to see Mew when I first unlocked Mewtwo, I doubt that Mew will make it in, and much less as a Mewtwo replacement. I can however, see Mewtwo and Mew working together Ice Climber style or switching like the PT's pokemon.
... Now that I think about it, a Mewtwo/Mew team-up would be SWEET.

........ that is just obscenely unlikely. o_o

 

[Reyairia]

........ that is just obscenely unlikely. o_o

Maybe, it's more of a IF Mew gets in as a PC. And despite how unlikely it is, you can't deny that it would rock.

 

[Florida]

Oooh, Mew as a character. That's win.

Indeed!

The only place I seem to see Mew is in a Poke Ball. Same fate goes with Celebi and Jirachi too.

That's original.

Geno has a higher chance of being in the game than Mew.

No kidding?

As much as I wanted to see Mew when I first unlocked Mewtwo, I doubt that Mew will make it in, and much less as a Mewtwo replacement. I can however, see Mewtwo and Mew working together Ice Climber style or switching like the PT's pokemon.
... Now that I think about it, a Mewtwo/Mew team-up would be SWEET.

-.-''
I'd rather have Mew not be in at all, if instead pairinng up with another character.
Mew deserves his own spot! No one-- not even Sakurai, can resist his cute face!

 

[MysticKenji]

As much as I wanted to see Mew when I first unlocked Mewtwo, I doubt that Mew will make it in, and much less as a Mewtwo replacement. I can however, see Mewtwo and Mew working together Ice Climber style or switching like the PT's pokemon.
... Now that I think about it, a Mewtwo/Mew team-up would be SWEET.

No, no thanks.

Both of them deserve single spots.

 

[Florida]

Pokémon Trainer's Final Smash: Triple Finish.
Hmm... well, that sort of counters out my arguments.

I'll have to update my first post when I get home from school ;o

 

[dynamic_entry]

shouldn't the B moves be actual moves that mew can learn................?

 

[Florida]

shouldn't the B moves be actual moves that mew can learn................?

And Fox had all of those moves before Super Smash came out, amIright?

Anyways, I updated the first post with a new question and response. It's in pink, you can't miss it.

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

Not only no, but hell no. If another Pokemon from the 1st generation gets in, it should be Meowth, not Mew.
Besides, having both Mewtwo and Mew would be redundant.
Look, Mew has as much of a chance of being playable as Sceptile does. Which is nada. Zip. Zilch. NONE.
Besides, Mew is evil. Everyone knows that.

 

[Princess Diana]

And Fox had all of those moves before Super Smash came out, amIright?

Anyways, I updated the first post with a new question and response. It's in pink, you can't miss it.

Fox was given those moves when smash came out because there weren't any other options... Mew has TONS of options from his game, he can learn every tm and every move tutor move...

 

[Florida]

Not only no, but hell no. If another Pokemon from the 1st generation gets in, it should be Meowth, not Mew.
Besides, having both Mewtwo and Mew would be redundant.
Look, Mew has as much of a chance of being playable as Sceptile does. Which is nada. Zip. Zilch. NONE.
Besides, Mew is evil. Everyone knows that.

Will people read my first post? I KNOW he has extremely low chances >.>
Btw, Mew > Meowth. FACT >=D

Fox was given those moves when smash came out because there weren't any other options... Mew has TONS of options from his game, he can learn every tm and every move tutor move...

I guess you're right, but I'm focusing my moveset on the Psychic type, which is what Mew is.

My moveset is nothing official, and I really don't expect it to be thrown in with Mew (assuming he makes the cut). So please don't bag on it too much, there's really no need.

Come to think of it, I'll just go ahead and remove the whole moveset section-- some people seem to be focusing more on that part of this thread than the actual "Mew 4 Brawl" part.

 

[OmegaXXII]

As of 9/27/07, Pokémon Trainer's Final Smash is confirmed to not be Mewtwo, but the "Triple Finish" instead. Now what?
Yeah, that update pretty much blew my whole reasoning away; but there's still some hope for Mew, right? Well, maybe not, anymore. Mewtwo is almost a given veteran fighter, now that being a PC is a the only reasonable inclusion, and since Sakurai is aiming this game more at villains this time. -sigh-, I'll just keep on hoping-- maybe they'll add both Mew and Mewtwo?

glad you came to your senses, but yea Mew should appear not as an PC but rather as a pokeball pokemon with some special move this time around, unlike Melee which he did nothing but give bonus points