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[Deleted member]

Toad. End of discussion.

Nope. Toad is a ripoff of the Mushroom Retainers of the first game.
The one we know as Toad/Kinopio debuted in SMB2.

 

[Arcadenik]

Escargoon was in Mass Attack. He is now an elligible candidate.

Also, the fact you pick Adeleine, a minor helper character in one game, over Nightmare, Kirby's FIRST major villain outside Dedede shows how you shouldn't pick the Roster.
(Don't turn this around by doing the "but you want Waluigi" crap, as I have stated before that Toad and Jr. come before him.)

Oh! WOW! Escargoon's miniscule cameo in Mass Attack is more than enough to make him the better choice over Adeleine's playable role in Kirby 64. Who knew?!

 

[Aurane]

Also, Melee is not a Pokemon game, and Meowth's Party would've been a spin-off, not a "main" Pokemon game.

But he's still in a game, unlike the example you threw, Escargoon. That's why I brought that up. Also note Meowth was in a few, also Pokemon Yellow, as one of the Pokemon used with Jesse and James.

Adeleine is the best classic return for the Kirby series. I'm sorry, but Paint attacks? Brilliant. I'd second Marx however.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh! WOW! Escargoon's miniscule cameo in Mass Attack is more than enough to make him the better choice over Adeleine's playable role in Kirby 64. Who knew?!

Playable? You mean in the multiplayer mode where she was the exact same as Dedede, Waddle Dee, and Kirby?

Oh, that REALLY puts her above all other Kirby contenders.

Guess we should consider Waddle Doo, who was actually playable in the main mode of Canvas Curse.

And nowhere did I compare Escargoon to Adeleine. I said NIGHTMARE was above Adeleine. I was comparing Escargoon to Meowth, who are both prominent characters in their respective anime, but minor characters within the games.

 

[Arcadenik]

Nope. Toad is a ripoff of the Mushroom Retainers of the first game.
The one we know as Toad/Kinopio debuted in SMB2.

Wrong. The instruction manual of Super Mario Bros. in my 3DS clearly labels the Mushroom Retainers as "Toad". In fact, the only main characters named in that NES game are Mario, Luigi, Princess Toadstool (Peach's old American name), Toad, and Lord Bowser (the King of the Koopas).

 

[Metal Overlord]

There should be really be a Super Wario Bros.-type of game. Waluigi was at his best, IMO, when teamed up with Wario

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Lol, random Misty appearance

 

[Deleted member]

But he's still in a game, unlike the example you threw, Escargoon. That's why I brought that up. Also note Meowth was in a few, also Pokemon Yellow, as one of the Pokemon used with Jesse and James.

Only a few games that the talking Meowth was in: Pokemon Yellow (where he was just a generic Meowth, and was nothing special compared to Ekans/Arbok or Koffing/Weezing, Pokemon Channel where he was a news reporter, and Pokemon Puzzle League, which was a game directly involving the anime and not released in Japan anyway.

In the long run, Meowth is only important in the anime. Pikachu is at least the mascot of the series.

 

[lordvaati]

What I had marked is false. It was only Bowser, Mewtwo, and Dedede. Anyone else is unsourced.
And before you say I have no source, I do. Remember that pre-Melee poll on JPN Smash's website? Underneath, Sakurai admits that Bowser, Mewtwo, and Dedede were planned at some point.

Also, Melee is not a Pokemon game, and Meowth's Party would've been a spin-off, not a "main" Pokemon game.

while not Quite as reliable, there is this topic made by a guy who studied the Beta Smash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYBh2aKDkhI&feature=relmfu

along with M2 and Dedede, it was also stated Peach, pit and-suprise-Meowth were considered.....but hardware limitations held them out. Peach and Bow were added to Melee. Pit and Dedede were added to brawl. only the cat was left.

in fact, going over the entire series, it's as such:

64: Pit, Bowser, M2, D3,Peach, Meowth

Melee: Lucas, Master Hand, Giga bowser,Snake(thogh this may be false)

Brawl: Roy, Doc, M2, Toon Zeldiek, Dixie, Plusle/minun

 

[Linkshot]

Escargoon was in Mass Attack. He is now an elligible candidate.

Also, the fact you pick Adeleine, a minor helper character in one game, over Nightmare, Kirby's FIRST major villain outside Dedede shows how you shouldn't pick the Roster.
(Don't turn this around by doing the "but you want Waluigi" crap, as I have stated before that Toad and Jr. come before him.)

Adeleine started in KDL3 as the World 4 boss. She was simply known as "Ado" then.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Peach and Meowth weren't planned for 64, were they :/

 

[Deleted member]

Wrong. The instruction manual of Super Mario Bros. in my 3DS clearly labels the Mushroom Retainers as "Toad". In fact, the only main characters named in that NES game are Mario, Luigi, Princess Toadstool (Peach's old American name), Toad, and Lord Bowser (the King of the Koopas).

That's because they're CALLED Toads. The one we know as Toad/Kinopio (again, remember that Kinopio is the only named Toad in Japan) debuted in SMB2. Otherwise, can you point out to me where "Toad" appeared? Is he the first bugger you save or the last before the Princess? I'm quite curious.

 

[Aurane]

Only a few games that the talking Meowth was in: Pokemon Yellow (where he was just a generic Meowth, and was nothing special compared to Ekans/Arbok or Koffing/Weezing, Pokemon Channel where he was a news reporter, and Pokemon Puzzle League, which was a game directly involving the anime and not released in Japan anyway.

In the long run, Meowth is only important in the anime. Pikachu is at least the mascot of the series.

Pikachu is obvious to be in SSB4, first off.Just wanna throw that out there if you think I think differently (Funny you mentioned such an obvious detail).

But anyways, the reason why I think the Meowth from Yellow could be the Meowth from the series is because of two reasons: He never evolved, like in the anime, and he's partnered with Jesse and James.

 

[Deleted member]

while not Quite as reliable, there is this topic made by a guy who studied the Beta Smash.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYBh2aKDkhI&feature=relmfu

along with M2 and Dedede, it was also stated Peach, pit and-suprise-Meowth were considered.....but hardware limitations held them out. Peach and Bow were added to Melee. Pit and Dedede were added to brawl. only the cat was left.

in fact, going over the entire series, it's as such:

64: Pit, Bowser, M2, D3,Peach, Meowth

Melee: Lucas, Master Hand, Giga bowser,Snake(thogh this may be false)

Brawl: Roy, Doc, M2, Toon Zeldiek, Dixie, Plusle/minun

He found that source where everyone does; The old Smash Wikia.
Afterall, if that held any merit, Sakurai would've stated Peach was planned along with D3, Mew2, and Bowser, as she was on the Top 10 of the pre-Melee poll as well, which was where he said it.

 

[Arcadenik]

That's because they're CALLED Toads. The one we know as Toad/Kinopio (again, remember that Kinopio is the only named Toad in Japan) debuted in SMB2. Otherwise, can you point out to me where "Toad" appeared? Is he the first bugger you save or the last before the Princess? I'm quite curious.

It does not matter. Toad is the Anonymous of the Mario series.

And Sakurai considers Toad's first appearance to be Super Mario Bros. according to both Melee and Brawl trophies.

 

[Deleted member]

Pikachu is obvious to be in SSB4, first off.Just wanna throw that out there if you think I think differently (Funny you mentioned such an obvious detail).

But anyways, the reason why I think the Meowth from Yellow could be the Meowth from the series is because of two reasons: He never evolved, like in the anime, and he's partnered with Jesse and James.

I'm not arguing that it's not that Meowth. I'm merely stating he was just a generic Meowth in that game. No talking, used in battle like the other two, etc.

 

[Deleted member]

It does not matter. Toad is the Anonymous of the Mario series.

And Sakurai considers Toad's first appearance to be Super Mario Bros. according to both Melee and Brawl trophies.

That's because it's the first appearance of the entire Toad race.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

But anyways, the reason why I think the Meowth from Yellow could be the Meowth from the series is because of two reasons: He never evolved, like in the anime, and he's partnered with Jesse and James.

...That's because it IS the anime Meowth. Yellow is specifically based upon the anime itself. Besides Puzzle League. Those two games are anime-specific. There may be a few other side games that do the same.

Keep in mind that the other 3rd games aren't, although they share coincidences with the anime at times. Also, the 3rd games is what the anime bases itself upon.

 

[lordvaati]

If we're going by ripoffs, the only two characters allowed in Smash from the Mario series of who we have now are Mario, Bowser, and Yoshi.

Luigi? Ripoff of Mario.
Peach? Ripoff of Pauline.
Donkey Kong? Ripoff of young Cranky Kong.
Diddy Kong? Ripoff of Donkey Kong Jr.
Wario? Ripoff of Mario and arguably Foreman Spike.

Hell, name me one popular Newcomer choice, and see if I can't name them as a ripoff (aside from the RPG reps like Geno, Mallow, Fawful, etc.)

9-Volt,Cap. Syrup,Jimmy T, (and to a lesser extent) Bowser jr.(and no, Baby Bowser doesn't count as a ripoff.)

 

[Aurane]

I'm not arguing that it's not that Meowth. I'm merely stating he was just a generic Meowth in that game. No talking, used in battle like the other two, etc.

I agree, here. Okay, my bad :I

But he did face Ash's Pokemon many times in the anime before, and now, too (Meowth actually beats one of Ash's Pokemon, I think). So, I kinda wanna say no and yes at the same time- 50/50 for fighting Meowth.

But honestly, **** the cat: Scrafty for SSB4.

...That's because it IS the anime Meowth. Yellow is specifically based upon the anime itself. Besides Puzzle League. Those two games are anime-specific. There may be a few other side games that do the same.

Keep in mind that the other 3rd games aren't, although they share coincidences with the anime at times. Also, the 3rd games is what the anime bases itself upon.

Well, then why is the hero not forced to be named Ash? Why can Pikachu be traded? Why can I catch the legendary birds?

It's a trace of the anime, not based.

 

[Metal Overlord]

OTHER than Mewtwo, the Pokemon I would want the most are Mew, Gary Mother****ing Oak /w Blastoise, Deoxys, Scizor, Misty Starmie, Entei, Suicune, Swampert, Giovanni /w Nidoking or Tyranitar

Keep in mind I don't want ALL of them, I'm just saying EITHER of these Pokermanz or Poke-a-mon trainers would be great choices

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, then why is the hero not forced to be named Ash? Why can Pikachu be traded? Why can I catch the legendary birds?

1) Ash's name came from the games anyway. But that would be stupid to force a name change.
2) Because there's no reason not to. Of course, trading your Pikachu is pretty dumb. Also, he learns more based upon the Anime, not Red/Blue.
3) Same reason you can catch Mewtwo. It's still the theme of the game. For that matter, every Legendary can actually be caught in the Anime. They're just freakin' hard to do so. Remember, an Articuno was caught before. In addition, nearly every Legendary can't have two copies exist in the Anime, while they can in the games. So catching them isn't an issue either. Finally, catching some Legendaries can upset the balance of the world.

It's a trace of the anime, not based.

Nah, the events are all based upon it. Meowth not talking is really about the only thing that completely goes against the anime.

 

[Aurane]

OTHER than Mewtwo, the Pokemon I would want the most are Blastoise, Deoxys, Scizor, Misty Starmie, Entei, Suicune, Swampert, Nidoking or Tyranitar

Misty for god tier.

Nah, the events are all based upon it. Meowth not talking is really about the only thing that completely goes against the anime.

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[Pachinkosam]

LOL. Nice one, yuske. You should've used the picture with it, though

Isaac, Saki, Samurai Goroh, Lyn and mah boi Little Mac would all be sexy choices to upgrade from AT to playable status

I dont use pictures of my post i put videos most often.

 

[Arcadenik]

Peach and Meowth weren't planned for 64, were they :/

Well, officially it is said that only King Dedede, Mewtwo, and Bowser were planned to be in Smash 64 while it is rumored that Pit, Peach, and Meowth were planned to be in Smash 64. You have to admit it is suspicious that five out of six characters planned to be in Smash 64 have been playable in Melee and/or Brawl... only Meowth is left.

Seriously, these days people don't expect Meowth to show up in Smash anytime soon... they aren't even asking for Meowth anymore... they have given up hope on seeing Meowth in Smash... and I really think it would be a pleasant surprise if Meowth finally gets in Smash despite the odds... and I really, really think it would be one of those "WTF" surprises if Meowth finally gets in Smash as part of Team Rocket along with Arbok and Weezing from Pokemon Yellow... just like how Pokemon Trainer Red got in Brawl with all three starters... I mean, out of all 1st gen games which game had Red getting all three starters in one playthrough? Yellow!

 

[Metal Overlord]

@Arcade- I would like Meowth in Smash honestly. Meowth has always been one of my favorite Pokemon. I would probably support him a little more had Mewtwo not been cut from Brawl

Misty for god tier.

LMAO, I remember that episode. Imma use this pic in case I ever get annoyed at Diddy someone on here. lol

 

[Arcadenik]

@Arcade- I would like Meowth in Smash honestly. Meowth has always been one of my favorite Pokemon. I would probably support him a little more had Mewtwo not been cut from Brawl

I am supporting both Mewtwo and Meowth. I don't need to give a half-hearted support to Pokemon like Zoroark, Victini, or anyone else just because I am expecting them to be in the game because they are new (see the Lucario example). It's always Mewtwo and Meowth in my book. I actually would love to have a team match with Pikachu and Pokemon Trainer vs. Mewtwo and Team Rocket.

 

[Starphoenix]

So, I've just gone through a massive Japanese Super Smash Bros poll and am surprised by some of the things I've learned. Cannot believe the favorite song from Distand Planet is Ai No Uta... SMH

What I did like was seeing a large amount of love for the Melee evaluation screens at the end of matches.

 

[Arcadenik]

What I did like was seeing a large amount of love for the Melee evaluation screens at the end of matches.

I also liked the Melee evaluation screens at the end of the matches. I really do think they will be in Smash 4... didn't Uprising have them, too?

 

[Metal Overlord]

OHHHHHH yeah, I LOVED the bonus screens from Melee. Those are essentially what taught me to not spam the same moves over and over in fighting games as a kid, 'cause you would get your points reduced by 2000 (Stale Moves is what it was called) if you did so, so I always tried to avoid that

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Bonuses and Bonus Mode back? Yes, please. That was something that really made 64/Melee felt beyond unique. They went so far as to test how you fight. As well as it could give you ideas on how to improve your metagame.

 

[Starphoenix]

Ok, have something I need to say about Kid Icarus.

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The scene were Hades reveals himself is so taking a page out of the Donkey Kong Country playbook. Plus Hades reminds me of Ghirahim, just not as androgynous.

"Kittens and rainbows"? Yeah, Hades is Ghirahim without the sexual ambiguity.

 

[Mypantisgone]

Board the platforms,it was awesome!I learned to go everywhere,fast,in a smart way!

 

[Deleted member]

9-Volt,Cap. Syrup,Jimmy T, (and to a lesser extent) Bowser jr.(and no, Baby Bowser doesn't count as a ripoff.)

I said Mario characters. 9-Volt, Syrup, and Jimmy T. are Wario characters, therefore, do not adhere to my statement. Neither does say, King K. Rool.
And you've already stated who Bowser Jr. is a rip-off of; Baby Bowser. He looks EXACTLY like him.

3) Same reason you can catch Mewtwo. It's still the theme of the game. For that matter, every Legendary can actually be caught in the Anime. They're just freakin' hard to do so. Remember, an Articuno was caught before. In addition, nearly every Legendary can't have two copies exist in the Anime, while they can in the games. So catching them isn't an issue either. Finally, catching some Legendaries can upset the balance of the world.

I want to correct a few points here. Noland didn't actually catch Articuno. But other characters did catch Legendaries. Some ******* caught a Darkrai and a Latios. One Nurse Joy has a Latias. Pyramid King Brandon had the three Regis. Someone we don't ever see apparently caught a Heatran.

And multiples of Legendaries exist in the anime. It just depends on which one you're talking about. Obviously ones like Mewtwo and Arceus are alone, but plenty others have more existing. Especially when we see a baby Lugia, which is impossible in the games.

 

[Sage of Ice]

Board the platforms,it was awesome!I learned to go everywhere,fast,in a smart way!

yeeeeeeeeeeeeeees i concur so hard.

after the obvious mewtwo and roy, the minigames are what i miss about melee. i could give a damn about physics, let's have those side games back.

board the platforms and race to the finish for sm4sh.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Board The Platforms and Snag the Trophies were badass

 

[Diddy Kong]

Bonuses and Bonus Mode back? Yes, please. That was something that really made 64/Melee felt beyond unique. They went so far as to test how you fight. As well as it could give you ideas on how to improve your metagame.

Except Marth / Sheik / Jigglypuff would still beat you with their Stale Moves.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

He looks EXACTLY like him.

Nah, they're near identical. But completely different characters regardless. Baby Bowser is young Bowser. Bowser Jr. is an expy of the Bowser/Koopa Kid from the Mario Party games, actually. Mostly because they're expies of the original Koopa Kids from SMB3/World.

I want to correct a few points here. Noland didn't actually catch Articuno. But other characters did catch Legendaries. Some ******* caught a Darkrai and a Latios. One Nurse Joy has a Latias. Pyramid King Brandon had the three Regis. Someone we don't ever see apparently caught a Heatran.

To be fair, those ones were less important ones. None of them were "king of the elements". But yeah, regardless.

And multiples of Legendaries exist in the anime. It just depends on which one you're talking about. Obviously ones like Mewtwo and Arceus are alone, but plenty others have more existing. Especially when we see a baby Lugia, which is impossible in the games.

I did specify that some of them had only one copy, and others didn't. If anything, there's more "extra copies" than "only one". Thanks for the correction, though.

Except Marth / Sheik / Jigglypuff would still beat you with their Stale Moves.

Except when they don't. There's a reason why Fox and Falco are of a higher tier than them.

 

[Deleted member]

Nah, they're near identical. But completely different characters regardless. Baby Bowser is young Bowser. Bowser Jr. is an expy of the Bowser/Koopa Kid from the Mario Party games, actually. Mostly because they're expies of the original Koopa Kids from SMB3/World.

If you read my other examples, you would see that I am going by who they are a ripoff of, which doesn't necessarily imply they are the same.
After all, people's arguements are that Waluigi is a ripoff of Luigi and Wario, and he is not Wario nor Luigi.
In which case, Bowser Jr. would also be classified as a ripoff of the Koopa Kids and the Koopalings as well, so thanks for adding that to my list.

I did specify that some of them had only one copy, and others didn't. If anything, there's more "extra copies" than "only one". Thanks for the correction, though.

Ah. I didn't see that. Your welcome.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If you read my other examples, you would see that I am going by who they are a ripoff of, which doesn't necessarily imply they are the same.
After all, people's arguements are that Waluigi is a ripoff of Luigi and Wario, and he is not Wario nor Luigi.
In which case, Bowser Jr. would also be classified as a ripoff of the Koopa Kids and the Koopalings as well, so thanks for adding that to my list.

...Well, yeah, he's a ripoff. I never argued he wasn't. Although he's a ripoff of a ripoff. However, if we ignore "side games", then yeah, I could see him being a ripoff of the original Koopa Kids instead.

As for Waluigi, he's an original character. Hell, his design is similar to that of a character in an old NES game. The only thing he shares in common with Wario and Luigi... is basically names. That's quite literally it.

Ah. I didn't see that. Your welcome.

No problem.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Falco ain't got Stale Moves cause the lasers don't get counted for that I think. Same with Shine Combos for both.