New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Metal Overlord]

Isaac I think might be my most wanted newcomer from a series not already represented with playable characters in Smash

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Waweegee ftl in terms of being a smash character.

I hope they dont think its a good idea to include Mr. L as a playable character.

 

[Linkshot]

I hope they dont think its a good idea to include Mr. L as a playable character.

I see no problem with it. It would further declone Luigi if he played like a combination of Poltergust and Mr. L.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

I see no problem with it. It would further declone Luigi if he played like a combination of Poltergust and Mr. L.

I can only see it happening as an alternate palette. Mr.L IS luigi, after all.

 

[Metal Overlord]

If/when we get Isaac though, it's GOTTA be the Dark Dawn version

Spoiler

Ganondorf and Snake shouldn't be the only bearded badasses in Smash

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

If/when we get Isaac though, it's GOTTA be the Dark Dawn version

Spoiler

Ganondorf and Snake shouldn't be the only bearded badasses in Smash

But aren't everyone familiar with the young boy-version from first two games? I like that more.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Young Isaac would be good for Smash, too. I mean, c'mon now, it's still Isaac

I'm just saying if we were to do things MY way, adult Isaac would be playable. You just CAN'T let that new outfit of his go to waste

 

[Linkshot]

I can only see it happening as an alternate palette. Mr.L IS luigi, after all.

Which is why I said it would declone Luigi, silly. Instead of putting Mr. L in as a character, put him in as part of Weegee's moveset.

 

[augustoflores]

rumor it wont be as easy for developers to support 1080p as we previously thought

fortunately for smash though, i doubt the second screen will be used for anything else other than those secret things i cannot disclose.

 

[Pippy]

Young Isaac would be good for Smash, too. I mean, c'mon now, it's still Isaac

I'm just saying if we were to do things MY way, adult Isaac would be playable. You just CAN'T let that new outfit of his go to waste

Maybe they'll have a different outfits for Isaac, kind of like Wario.

 

[Aurane]

I heard someone mention Waluigi in a disgraceful way?

Good job.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Been listening to some Sin and Punishment music on YouTube randomly

Me gusta. I haven't played that game yet but I can already tell I'll love the tone of the game when I do play it just going off the music

 

[Aurane]

Okay, Metal, I've been wondering... Is that character from Ruroni Kension?

 

[Metal Overlord]

Yep, it's Kaoru

 

[Aurane]

Yep, it's Kaoru

I knew it! Sorry, thanks Lol

I want this song in my SSB4 if customizable music tracks are available.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Considering waluigi is the most disliked mario character, I don't see him getting in so easily. (Personally, I dont have a big problem with waluigi, but his reception as a whole was terrible.)

Baby Daisy is hated QUITE a bit more. Hell, he's gained a lot of popularity due to her addition in Mario Kart Wii and then people got annoyed that he wasn't in Mario Kart 7.

In fact, many find regular Daisy far more annoying. Due mainly to her voice.

 

[DekuBoy]

I was just thinking about the Starfox series and I have come to the conclusion that I would prefer a Slippy/Peppy team rather than Krystal or Leon. Starfox 3DS reminded me how much I love to hate those two and the notion of a complete Starfox team excites me more than those two.

Also, Snake Eater 3DS is amazing. I really hope if Snake returns he gets a proper Naked Snake costume. And the main theme with lyrics.

 

[Arcadenik]

Baby Daisy is hated QUITE a bit more. Hell, he's gained a lot of popularity due to her addition in Mario Kart Wii and then people got annoyed that he wasn't in Mario Kart 7.

In fact, many find regular Daisy far more annoying. Due mainly to her voice.

And yet... Daisy is more popular than Waluigi in Japan... even ChronoBound said Daisy is one of the most wanted female/Mario characters for Smash in Japan... I think that would explain why Baby Daisy is in Mario Kart Wii and why Daisy is in Mario Kart 7 while Waluigi is not.

Toad is far more popular than Waluigi... thus he got a female counterpart (Toadette) in Mario Kart Double Dash and plays a semi-important role with the other Toads in the Galaxy games and has two playable roles in New Super Mario Bros. Wii.

I am beginning to think Waluigi being an AT was to throw a bone at the Western fans.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

And yet... Daisy is more popular than Waluigi in Japan... even ChronoBound said Daisy is one of the most wanted female/Mario characters for Smash in Japan... I think that would explain why Baby Daisy is in Mario Kart Wii and why Daisy is in Mario Kart 7 while Waluigi is not.

And not in America. Or the UK. Also, very few liked Baby Daisy. Because she was the worst spin-off character ever made. Quite literally.

Toad is far more popular than Waluigi... thus he got a female counterpart (Toadette) in Mario Kart Double Dash and plays a semi-important role with the other Toads in the Galaxy games and has two playable roles in New Super Mario Bros. Wii.

What does this have to do with anything? Toadette isn't a clone either. Baby Daisy is just a clone. And her voice is even more annoying. The problem is that they could've put in Baby Bowser or DK Jr. in her place, and people would've been fine with that. Daisy lost some popularity after that.

I am beginning to think Waluigi being an AT was to throw a bone at the Western fans.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with Sakurai liking the character, right? He likes him more than Impa, ridiculously enough.

 

[Deleted member]

Waluigi's lack of appearance in MK7 is the same situation as Mewtwo's in Brawl. Time restraints.

However, MK7's time restraints were far more severe, as it was rushed to be released for the holiday season. Why else would Waluigi have a course?

And if I remember correctly, all of the new characters in MKW save for Baby Peach were mere model edits of existing characters. Rosalina? An upgraded Peach model. Dry Bowser? Do I even have to explain that one? Funky Kong? A Donkey Kong edit. Baby Daisy? Model change of Baby Peach.

And you can't really use MK7 as a good example as for who's "deserving". Otherwise, expect Metal Mario and Honey Queen. And you can expect Diddy Kong's removal and Bowser Jr. not getting in.

 

[Pippy]

If we get Baby Daisy, or Daisy for that matter, I'll be so mad. They aren't even in most normal Mario games, and they don't do anything anyway. There are so many better choices for that spot.

Also, the Star Fox team would be cool, just as long as Peppy and Slippery weren't more Fox clones.

 

[Arcadenik]

If we get Baby Daisy, or Daisy for that matter, I'll be so mad. They aren't even in most normal Mario games, and they don't do anything anyway. There are so many better choices for that spot.

Yes, and Waluigi is not one of the better choices for Smash either.

 

[Aurane]

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Speaking of Waluigi, I did run into the following drawing at DeviantART...

[collapse=Waluigi meets Dr. Nefarious]

Obviously, Ratchet & Clank don't have a chance, but it's still an amusing picture, to say the least.[/collapse]

Anyway, on the topic of Miis, it would seem pretty amusing if they end up with Mario's moveset, since they're typically treated as all-around players in the Mario sports titles.

 

[Deleted member]

Yes, and Waluigi is not one of the better choices for Smash either.

The irony, given that you feel Meowth is one of the better choices (for Pokemon) for Smash, when Meowth is like Waluigi in that he has little importance within the "main" games, yet is constant and important outside them (anime for Meowth, spin-offs for Waluigi).

 

[Aurane]

The irony, given that you feel Meowth is one of the better choices (for Pokemon) for Smash, when Meowth is like Waluigi in that he has little importance within the "main" games, yet is constant and important outside them (anime for Meowth, spin-offs for Waluigi).

Anime appearences are more crucial than spin offs. Which is why Jiggz is a *****.

 

[Arcadenik]

The irony, given that you feel Meowth is one of the better choices (for Pokemon) for Smash, when Meowth is like Waluigi in that he has little importance within the "main" games, yet is constant and important outside them (anime for Meowth, spin-offs for Waluigi).

At least Meowth is not a ripoff of an existing Pokemon while Waluigi is the mpreg child of Luigi and Wario.

 

[lordvaati]

miis definetly have personality and moveset potentials, but Sakurai wanted SSB4 to be aimed toward core gamers. I guess this means a more of a Melee type game. Mii's are extremely casual game characters. Oh yeah this is random but I hope we at least get Wavedashing and L-Canceling back, that made a big part of Luigi's, Link's, and Ganondorf's metagame.

ah, but don't forget he also said that he was planing on coming up with an upgradeable charcater option, which fits perfectly with Miis.

a new air dodge system would be reccomended, thogh I'm on the fence about L-cancelling, since itgave a bit too much of an advantage to fastfallers and made other characters not so good at it(G&W) underpowered.

 

[Deleted member]

Anime appearences are more crucial than spin offs. Which is why Jiggz is a *****.

Well then. Guess we should easily expect Black Shadow over Goroh, given that Black Shadow was far more prominent and was the main villain (no Deathborn is sight).

And Nightmare is easily the best Kirby rep to pick, or Hell, even Escargoon is better than most choices. Escargoon would be very interesting, and was essentially the "Meowth" of Kirby's anime.

 

[Aurane]

Well then. Guess we should easily expect Black Shadow over Goroh, given that Black Shadow was far more prominent and was the main villain (no Deathborn is sight).

And Nightmare is easily the best Kirby rep to pick, or Hell, even Escargoon is better than most choices. Escargoon would be very interesting, and was essentially the "Meowth" of Kirby's anime.

The difference is that Escargoon only has been seen in the anime series. Anime Meowth has been in the games, too. As for Goroh and Black Shadow, I know nothing of them. And as for Nightmare... No, not the best pick. Adeleine over him by a landslide.

inb4thrashopinion

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The irony is that Jigglypuff was a far more effective character than Meowth ever was in the Anime. Makes sense she got in well before him. Popularity helped, too. Hell, Meowth has technically more fighting capabilities(due to being a cat). Didn't help him, though.

Also, Waddle Dee is prominent in the Anime(not a main character, mind you).

Also, I'm pretty sure Nightmare is more of a main character than Adeleine was. However, I'd say he's better off as a boss.

 

[Deleted member]

At least Meowth is not a ripoff of an existing Pokemon while Waluigi is the mpreg child of Luigi and Wario.

If we're going by ripoffs, the only two characters allowed in Smash from the Mario series of who we have now are Mario, Bowser, and Yoshi.

Luigi? Ripoff of Mario.
Peach? Ripoff of Pauline.
Donkey Kong? Ripoff of young Cranky Kong.
Diddy Kong? Ripoff of Donkey Kong Jr.
Wario? Ripoff of Mario and arguably Foreman Spike.

Hell, name me one popular Newcomer choice, and see if I can't name them as a ripoff (aside from the RPG reps like Geno, Mallow, Fawful, etc.)

 

[Arcadenik]

The difference is that Escargoon only has been seen in the anime series. Anime Meowth has been in the games, too. As for Goroh and Black Shadow, I know nothing of them. And as for Nightmare... No, not the best pick. Adeleine over him by a landslide.

inb4thrashopinion

Anime Meowth was also in Melee, not just Pokemon Yellow and Pokemon Puzzle League... remember his trophy based on Meowth's Party? Anime Meowth was going to have his own game at one point!

 

[Deleted member]

The difference is that Escargoon only has been seen in the anime series. Anime Meowth has been in the games, too. As for Goroh and Black Shadow, I know nothing of them. And as for Nightmare... No, not the best pick. Adeleine over him by a landslide.

inb4thrashopinion

Escargoon was in Mass Attack. He is now an elligible candidate.

Also, the fact you pick Adeleine, a minor helper character in one game, over Nightmare, Kirby's FIRST major villain outside Dedede shows how you shouldn't pick the Roster.
(Don't turn this around by doing the "but you want Waluigi" crap, as I have stated before that Toad and Jr. come before him.)

 

[Aurane]

If we're going by ripoffs, the only two characters allowed in Smash from the Mario series of who we have now are Mario, Bowser, and Yoshi.

Luigi? Ripoff of Mario.
Peach? Ripoff of Pauline.
Donkey Kong? Ripoff of young Cranky Kong.
Diddy Kong? Ripoff of Donkey Kong Jr.
Wario? Ripoff of Mario and arguably Foreman Spike.

Hell, name me one popular Newcomer choice, and see if I can't name them as a ripoff (aside from the RPG reps like Geno, Mallow, Fawful, etc.)

I agree with all except the DK to YCK. First off, his name was DK before, not Cranky Kong. Therefore, Cranky Kong can be suggested as a rip off to the name of DK.

And you forgot Dr. Mario.

 

[lordvaati]

The irony, given that you feel Meowth is one of the better choices (for Pokemon) for Smash, when Meowth is like Waluigi in that he has little importance within the "main" games, yet is constant and important outside them (anime for Meowth, spin-offs for Waluigi).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7971AFv6U8

He got a tech demo of a game that was supposed to be released in early 2002, and was promoted as a trophy in Melee. on top of that, he was one of the charactrs that was suposed to go in smash 64 (along with Bowserand Dedede)

 

[Big-Cat]

I remember Star saying a while back that Uprising would be this generation's Star Fox 64. When you think about it, that's actually a pretty clever comparision

I can see that happening.

The argument of "they can't fight" or "they don't have a fighting nature" does not apply to them if you even look at their first game appearance (boxing in Wii Sports). However, there is the argument that they are not real characters and that there is not much distinctive about them.

That's why I'm not into the Miis being playable. They're as much characters as the avatars on XBL and whatever they have on PSN, aka not a whole lot. The other problem they have is that they don't have defined dimensions or appearances. The former one matters a lot as you're looking to have hitboxes consistent. A Mario game doesn't require as extensive balancing on a character by character basis, but a game like Smash does. I'd keep it simple and have a single, set appearance, but that's only possible with the Villager and that's where Tom Nook comes in, but that's another topic.

I would be able to finally play as Mr. Burns if Miis were in Smash.

Excellent.

It's so ridiculous why he only sees Pikmin as the only "new series" Nintendo made but he can't still see we HAD new game series that would've made great playables. Golden Sun? Starfy? Punch-Out? /Okay, the third one doesn't much count back then but/

It's really weird considering how prominent of a figure he is in the Japanese industry. Then again, there's the alledged (and I swear I've seen this myself) story of him not knowing about Krystal until the poll. It's also possible that he might not have been able to come up with anything at the time for those characters.

ah, but don't forget he also said that he was planing on coming up with an upgradeable charcater option, which fits perfectly with Miis.

a new air dodge system would be reccomended, thogh I'm on the fence about L-cancelling, since itgave a bit too much of an advantage to fastfallers and made other characters not so good at it(G&W) underpowered.

IMO, the current design of the games is automatically biased to certain characters and traits. Look at what's used on a normal basis, aerials and specials. If your character is ground heavy, there's a chance he could suck, but that's not the case as Jiggs is meant to be the queen of the air and she's right above Ganondorf.

I strongly believe a stronger ground game would help a lot. Give us Tekken-like chains to encourage a ground offense and defense (this isn't as complicated as one might think). Limit DI to only certain moves. Make dive kicks not suck. The list goes on. Smash is a fun game and all, but the systems currently implemented favor certain characters.

 

[Arcadenik]

Hell, name me one popular Newcomer choice, and see if I can't name them as a ripoff (aside from the RPG reps like Geno, Mallow, Fawful, etc.)

Toad. End of discussion.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

If we're going by ripoffs, the only two characters allowed in Smash from the Mario series of who we have now are Mario, Bowser, and Yoshi.

Luigi? Ripoff of Mario.
Peach? Ripoff of Pauline.
Donkey Kong? Ripoff of young Cranky Kong.
Diddy Kong? Ripoff of Donkey Kong Jr.
Wario? Ripoff of Mario and arguably Foreman Spike.

Hell, name me one popular Newcomer choice, and see if I can't name them as a ripoff (aside from the RPG reps like Geno, Mallow, Fawful, etc.)

I still recall the time when people thought that Rosalina would be Peach's new look. The two are pretty identical at certain aspects after all.

 

[Deleted member]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7971AFv6U8

He got a tech demo of a game that was supposed to be released in early 2002, and was promoted as a trophy in Melee. on top of that, he was one of the charactrs that was suposed to go in smash 64 (along with Bowserand Dedede)

What I had marked is false. It was only Bowser, Mewtwo, and Dedede. Anyone else is unsourced.
And before you say I have no source, I do. Remember that pre-Melee poll on JPN Smash's website? Underneath, Sakurai admits that Bowser, Mewtwo, and Dedede were planned at some point.

Also, Melee is not a Pokemon game, and Meowth's Party would've been a spin-off, not a "main" Pokemon game.