New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Arcadenik]

So we get a better top tier(excluding Meta Knight). Sounds good to me. More variance.

Also, doubtful. Toon/Young Link has tons of projectiles. Toon Sheik would have one, and her range would be terrible. I doubt she'd be more than as good as Jigglypuff in Brawl at that point.

Sheik is also decent in Brawl. How do you know Toon Sheik would be better? How do you know she would be a full clone of Sheik? Sakurai may have talked about Toon Link always having the same B moves, but he has not specified that for any other "clone".

So in other words, you're applying stuff that doesn't exist. Explain to me what's wrong with having more character choices at all?

Why do I need several approaches to the same moveset? If a character shoots an arrow with B, throws a boomerang with Side+B, spins with a sword with Up+B, and pulls out a bomb with Down+B... that's fine but I don't need another character who shoots a flaming arrow with B, throws a faster boomerang with Side+B, spins with a sword faster but not as powerful with Up+B, and pulls out a weaker bomb with Down+B. That is not variety. That's having modified copies of existing characters for the sake of having more character choices. That's what bothers me the most with the Star Fox clones.

 

[Arcadenik]

As far we stand i still want giga bowser as playable character.

You want to play as Giga Bowser? Great! Pick Bowser and turn on the Smash Balls.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Why do I need several approaches to the same moveset? If a character shoots an arrow with B, throws a boomerang with Side+B, spins with a sword with Up+B, and pulls out a bomb with Down+B... that's fine but I don't need another character who shoots a flaming arrow with B, throws a faster boomerang with Side+B, spins with a sword faster but not as powerful with Up+B, and pulls out a weaker bomb with Down+B. That is not variety. That's having modified copies of existing characters for the sake of having more character choices. That's what bothers me the most with the Star Fox clones.

And exactly why is this a problem within any fighting game? They all do it. And guess what? They still sell like hotcakes. Clones still sell as characters.

Welcome to the world of fighting games, Arc. That's how it started, and that's how it always will be.

Also, they can have variations of the same moves. But this is something you fail to mention; They don't play the same regardless. Not a single clone in Smash is played the same way due to them being different enough to require different metagames. They aren't the same character. Also, Jigglypuff was mostly a clone of Kirby except for a small amount of A moves and their B moves. Also, guess Luigi should've never gotten in either.

You know what the trick is? You bring them in as a clone and LUIGIFIY them instead. You get fan favorites in(who don't play the same regardless, so it doesn't matter that they're clones) and make people happy.

Look, I don't like the idea of Toon Sheik THAT much, but to be honest, I don't really care who's in as long as they are playable and fun. As long as the character doesn't play the EXACT same, it has zero bearing. A true clone will play EXACTLY the same, otherwise it's just the spirit of a clone, being the "same character".

The only character to play near identical to the original was Pichu. Not even the Polygons and Wire Frames got that much. Hell, Crazy Hand is a clone of Master Hand(with a few extra differences).

 

[vicgur]

I don't really care about clones, as long as they are "luigified".
Yeah, the Fox/Falco/Wolf trio is fine, in my opinion.

I think the only think that makes me sad to even think about is Ganondorf.
Who was the idiot who had the idea of putting Cpt. Falcon's moves on him!?
I mean, they're like a complete opposide of each other. Who thought they would fight in similar ways?

PS: New avatar. Fabulous as it can be.

 

[Wizzrobe]

I don't really care about clones, as long as they are "luigified".
Yeah, the Fox/Falco/Wolf trio is fine, in my opinion.

I think the only think that makes me sad to even think about is Ganondorf.
Who was the idiot who had the idea of putting Cpt. Falcon's moves on him!?
I mean, they're like a complete opposide of each other. Who thought they would fight in similar ways?

PS: New avatar. Fabulous as it can be.

Ganon was jealous of Falcon's manliness

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ganondorf was jealous of Falcon's manliness

Regular Ganon is far more manly than Falcon. Ganondorf is debatable though.

Interesting thought; We all know Ganondorf was only added into Brawl because there was time for clones.

Now, if they was enough time, Ganon may have gotten chosen instead. Most likely OOT Ganon, with two swords.(and a slightly bigger than Bowser size, of course)

 

[Wizzrobe]

Regular Ganon is far more manly than Falcon. Ganondorf is debatable though.

Interesting thought; We all know Ganondorf was only added into Brawl because there was time for clones.

Now, if they was enough time, Ganon may have gotten chosen instead. Most likely OOT Ganon, with two swords.(and a slightly bigger than Bowser size, of course)

Falcons got dat knee and his Falcon punch can destroy a part of the universe.

I would think you would defend falcon considering ur name lol

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Falcons got dat knee and his Falcon punch can destroy a part of the universe.

Ganon has the Triforce of Power. That pretty much trumps it. Also, those are memes, not facts.

I would think you would defend falcon considering ur name lol

I play Ganondorf more than Falcon. I'm more of a Zelda fan.

Likewise, note the "Hyper" in the name.

 

[Wizzrobe]

The Falcon Punch fact is true.

And it shows in the Finale of F-zero falcon densetsu.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The Falcon Punch fact is true.

Cite it please? Also, Ganondorf is revered as a GOD. Falcon never got that far, to be fair. Also, he's not effectively immortal either. XD

And it shows in the Finale of F-zero falcon densetsu.

Totally canon to the games, right? It's an off-side Anime. Hell, the Falcon Punch only exists because of Smash, nothing more. So it's literally not canon.

 

[Wizzrobe]

Totally canon to the games, right? It's an off-side Anime. Hell, the Falcon Punch only exists because of Smash, nothing more. So it's literally not canon.[/QUOTE]






Even though its not cannon, its still there and its awesome.

and even if the show was cannon they still would of put it in.

 

[Deleted member]

What people don't realize is that the Falcon Punch is not what CAUSED the explosion in the anime, that was already going to happen regardless. The Punch was to prevent Black Shadow from ESCAPING the explosion. All while being a throwback to Smash Bros.

If you actually watch the episode, it'd be very clear.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

GY solves that part.

@Wizzrobe: Sure, it's awesome. And they would've put the Falcon Punch if they wanted to. The only way that move'll ever be Canon is if Falcon does something in the actual games related to it. Until then, it's just a non-canon move.

 

[Deleted member]

To be fair, the Falcon Punch is mentioned in the credits song for F-Zero GX.

However, given the randomness of the lyrics, it shouldn't be taken to heart.
I mean, it states that if confusion threatens your lunch, Falcon will unleash a Falcon Punch. Seriously.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I meant more like he does it in-game or directly mentions it.

With that tidbit, maybe it could become Canon? I wouldn't mind.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Is the Falcon Flyer canon? I want to say no, but I'm not sure...

 

[Wizzrobe]

What people don't realize is that the Falcon Punch is not what CAUSED the explosion in the anime, that was already going to happen regardless. The Punch was to prevent Black Shadow from ESCAPING the explosion. All while being a throwback to Smash Bros.

If you actually watch the episode, it'd be very clear.

I always heard that the falcon punch didnt cause the explosion, but lots of people told me it did

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Is the Falcon Flyer canon? I want to say no, but I'm not sure...

It's in the F-Zero Manual itself. It's only in-game appearance so far is in Smash, atleast according to the wiki.

 

[Deleted member]

I always heard that the falcon punch didnt cause the explosion, but lots of people told me it did

The ones that say it caused it have not seen the episode itself.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

It's in the F-Zero Manual itself. It's only in-game appearance so far is in Smash, atleast according to the wiki.

I do remember that its trophy description only had Melee listed as the games it had appeared in. I've not played many F-Zero games, so I don't know if the series is very cinematic, which would be the only instance I'd expect the Flyer to make a big appearance. I mean, it's not exactly a racing machine.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I do remember that its trophy description only had Melee listed as the games it had appeared in. I've not played many F-Zero games, so I don't know if the series is very cinematic, which would be the only instance I'd expect the Flyer to make a big appearance. I mean, it's not exactly a racing machine.

Technically, that's correct. It never appeared in-game in any other game other than Melee and Brawl.

It's mentioned at best in the other games. And the manual.

However, just remember that the trophies aren't always accurate.

 

[Wizzrobe]

The ones that say it caused it have not seen the episode itself.

One of the people who told me that was the person who uploaded the whole anime series onto youtube.

Also, Falcon Flyer IS CANON because it was in a comic that came from the f-zero snes manual. edit: I see i was too late to say that as well

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Giga Bowser will probably never be a playable character.

He is meant to be very powerful. thats why he is bowser's final smash. Sure, they can weaken him and make him a bit smaller so he could be a playable character, but that would kind of ruin it.

Agreed. Giga Bowser's main purpose is to serve as Bowser's Final Smash. However, he could end up as a non-playable character again if Bowser gets a new Final Smash move.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Agreed. Giga Bowser's main purpose is to serve as Bowser's Final Smash.

Sure, if that was his first appearance. His real main purpose is to be a more badass Bowser, that's all.

However, he could end up as a non-playable character again if Bowser gets a new Final Smash move.

Or a playable clone. Likewise, why give Bowser another Final Smash? Sure, this version of Giga Bowser is pretty horrible compared to Melee's, but it was still a cool idea.

 

[Greenpoe]

Actually, #3 is why I hate competitive Smash Brothers. They try and say they are the right way and wont listen to anyone else. Seen this a thousand and one times.

Aren't you doing exactly that? You play it your way, I'll play it mine. Live, let live.

 

[SmashChu]

Aren't you doing exactly that? You play it your way, I'll play it mine. Live, let live.

My first question is why are you quoting something that is 2000 pages pack.

 

[Pachinkosam]

To be fair, the Falcon Punch is mentioned in the credits song for F-Zero GX.

However, given the randomness of the lyrics, it shouldn't be taken to heart.
I mean, it states that if confusion threatens your lunch, Falcon will unleash a Falcon Punch. Seriously.

Last time i saw it was in japanese and i only understand is natsu is no.

 

[Deleted member]

If there's one thing I hate, it's people that quote something from months ago and try to "contribute" to the conversation.

Another is when people bump really old topics, though that doesn't apply in this thread.

At Yusuke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq9mipSqeC4

 

[ChronoBound]

Exactly. Still, you keep coming across as if you WANT it to be real.

Why would I want it to be real when half of the newcomer characters I want for Smash 4 are not even on that roster?

Anyway, there are three things coming up very soon that will definitely or may give us some things to talk about in relation to Smash 4:
- The release of Kid Icarus Uprising (though it may take a couple of days after release until we know EVERYTHING that happens in that game).
- The release of the second volume to Iwata Asks for Kid Icarus Uprising (of which Sakurai might drop a tidbit about Smash 4 now that Uprising is finally out).
- The release of the second part to Palutena's OVA.

Lately, I have also been feeling we may actually get to see something at E3 2012 for Smash 4.

 

[Aurane]

Lately, I have also been feeling we may actually get to see something at E3 2012 for Smash 4.

I agree. I've been believing this since the release of the info of the game being worked on.

 

[Conviction]

I might have to watch a playthrough of KI since I won't be able to buy it anytime soon :-/

No matter, the game has still made me want to buy a 3DS. So Nintendo, you got me.

 

[Aurane]

I might have to watch a playthrough of KI since I won't be able to buy it anytime soon :-/

No matter, the game has still made me want to buy a 3DS. So Nintendo, you got me.

Look up Multiplayer gameplay. It's so friggin awesome.

 

[BKupa666]

I agree. I've been believing this since the release of the info of the game being worked on.

Same. I think it's entirely reasonable to expect at least a CGI trailer between now and June (as was done for Melee, if I remember correctly), with or without gameplay using a modified version of Brawl's engine.

Smash is not the type of game that would just receive throwaway mentions at back to back E3 conferences.

 

[Conviction]

Look up Multiplayer gameplay. It's so friggin awesome.

Yeah I've seen it! It reminds me of Power Stone and Power Stone was my first fighter.

 

[Oasis_S]

Smash is not the type of game that would just receive throwaway mentions at back to back E3 conferences.

I think, at the VERY LEAST, they would feel obligated to drop SOME information about Smash since they announced it LAST year. Even if it's just "Hey! We're actually working on it now! Look, it even has a name!"

But yeah, it's entirely possible to have a CG teaser.

 

[Wizzrobe]

Hopefully we will at least get the title of the game.

 

[Aurane]

Hopefully we will at least get the title of the game.

Yeah, that's the gold. It'll deny the Universe rumors to a point as well.

 

[Oasis_S]

Watch the Wii U get a name change. Then Universe will look a bit silly. SSB Universe and SSB Dimensions would have a nice kind of relation to one another though. Still Super cheesy though.


Have to push for SSB Arena and SSB Tour again. BD

 

[vicgur]

Hopefully we will at least get the title of the game.

I was going to say that.

Yes, if they can't at least make a nice, pretty trailer like Brawl's, at least give us a name, a nice logo, and maybe [MAYBE] some more specific details.

 

[Oasis_S]

All they have to say is "Yes, Ridley will be in it this time."

Don't need a name or trailer.