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I feel all warm and fuzzy inside now. :3

Suprised no one posted this. The CGI for Awakening is rather impressive. I like the design of the characters in this game. Although Nintendo COMPLETELY stole my mental concept design (long story) with Krom. Maybe that is why I like him? So far anyways.

Also, one last thing, Dillon's Rolling Western probably will be getting a sequel installment. The Last Ranger.
Looks good. Makes me like Krom more. Oh, and hoping this game comes out here.

I'm going with NeoGAF on this one:
Hmmm, so maybe they are making a sequel

I just saw a quick video of the title screen and it only says Nintendo for the copyrights. It might be like Sin and Punishment where the developer was work for hire.
Probably. Wikipedia says Vanpool made it. They worked with Nintendo on other games like one of the Tingle games and Wii Play Motion.
 

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Has Intelligent Systems ever done any games for non-Nintendo systems?(PC doesn't count, I mean literal consoles)

If so, then they're Third Party. Otherwise, Second Party.
 

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Has Intelligent Systems ever done any games for non-Nintendo systems?(PC doesn't count, I mean literal consoles)

If so, then they're Third Party. Otherwise, Second Party.
They are owned by Nintendo, so they are actually 1st party. So far, the only second party series to have characters in Smash are Kirby, Pokemon and Earthbound. Of course, HAL and Game Freak have a good history with Nintendo and have only worked with them in the laast 10 or 20 years so.......
 

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JUST saw this picture. THIS is a really good size for Ridley in Smash
 

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Has Intelligent Systems ever done any games for non-Nintendo systems?(PC doesn't count, I mean literal consoles)

If so, then they're Third Party. Otherwise, Second Party.
First party. They've essentially been a part of Nintendo since its inception. It would be no different if the R&D groups were given different names (that'd actually be kind of cool).
 

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The orientation of his body needs to be more forward-facing so his head and neck don't stick out so far. Kind of a weird hitbox otherwise.

I would think, at least.
 

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They are owned by Nintendo, so they are actually 1st party. So far, the only second party series to have characters in Smash are Kirby, Pokemon and Earthbound. Of course, HAL and Game Freak have a good history with Nintendo and have only worked with them in the laast 10 or 20 years so.......
Camelot[a 2nd party] made Golden Sun and Mario Tennis. Isaac and Waluigi are ATs in Brawl. Maybe it's starting to get some love from Nintendo, too.
 

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As far as HAL goes, Wikipedia says they are owned by Nintendo. Everyone else says they are second party.

Wiki does have more to add. "Second party" as we use it really means "subsidiarity." Usually, most second party developers are owned by the parent company. Insomniac games and Game Freak are exceptions.

Still, most of the series with characters in Smash are wholly owned by Nitnendo. Also according to Wiki, the companies Nintendo owns are: Intelligent Systems, Hal, Retro Studios, Brownie Brown, Monolith, Nd Cube, and Project Sora.
 

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SmashChu, that's not how 1st Party works. Nintendo themselves have to create a character to be 1st party. Or... the original creator must lose control of it.

Certain DK characters were Second Party(and others are Third Party), but the ones that Nintendo completely owns are now 1st party.

To be clear, Waluigi is a second party character, because he's created by a second party developer. This may be why he's not in a direct 1st party Mario game. Then again, I think all the Spin-Offs are second party, anyway. Which would explain why he never got into, say, New Super Mario Bros. Wii(for example).
 

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what in the hell are you guys warping?

Nintendo either owns a character/IP or they don't. there is no second party or third party. it's not like Sega owns Deathborn because he only exists in that one game that sega made... in the credits, it will tell you that all properties are reserved by Nintendo. (just an example) no matter what happens to game freak, Nintendo owns Pokemon, end of story. Waluigi, same thing. Waluigi has no place in the main mario games because he has no story to tell in the current story.

even if a different company made the character, unless stated otherwise (geno/mallow), the rights are reserved by the franchise holder.

the only thing me or the rest of the world don't know is what is up with Eternal Darkness... when asked in an interview about the copyright, Silicon Knights said it was a secret... and that even they don't know.
 

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SmashChu, that's not how 1st Party works. Nintendo themselves have to create a character to be 1st party. Or... the original creator must lose control of it.

Certain DK characters were Second Party(and others are Third Party), but the ones that Nintendo completely owns are now 1st party.

To be clear, Waluigi is a second party character, because he's created by a second party developer. This may be why he's not in a direct 1st party Mario game. Then again, I think all the Spin-Offs are second party, anyway. Which would explain why he never got into, say, New Super Mario Bros. Wii(for example).
Yeah SmashChu, do some research. It's like you don't know anything or something.
Point is that there are characters out there that Nintendo owns but wasn't developed by a Nintendo developer. Sin and Punishment is owned by Nintendo but the developer, Treasure, isn't. Sakurai has mentioned problems with some series that were even owned by Nintendo as far as copyrights go.
 

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I drew a picture of Mario.

I now own Mario.

Nintendo needs to give me some compensation
 

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you drew mario... now you will be held in a court of law for copyright infringement.
 

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Rare made Star Fox: Adventures, Rare owns Star Fox.

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I drew a picture of Mario.

I now own Mario.

Nintendo needs to give me some compensation
Talking about characters that are made by other companies but are owned by Nintendo. IP laws have a lot to them. And Sakurai has said that there were Nintendo characters where they ran into copyright problems.
 

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Talking about characters that are made by other companies but are owned by Nintendo. IP laws have a lot to them. And Sakurai has said that there were Nintendo characters where they ran into copyright problems.
About that, for those such characters they had problems with, then by consequence it means they could not have appeared AT ALL in Brawl, right? Surely any legal stuff wouldn't make the distinction of playable character or sticker.
 

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About that, for those such characters they had problems with, then by consequence it means they could not have appeared AT ALL in Brawl, right? Surely any legal stuff wouldn't make the distinction of playable character or sticker.
Maybe in royalty fees.
 

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And three of his own. Tails' Adventure, Tails' Sky Patrol, and Tails and the Music Maker.
In other words none of this helps. :bee: Tail's constant #2 role does help.
I don't know if one could compare them like this. I mean, Sonic and Metal Gear are different franchises that work differently.
I think being the main character of one of 4 canon games in a series means more than being the eternal side kick and being main in some meaningless spin-offs...
Solid Snake stars in about half a dozen games, and Naked Snake stars in half of that. They are basically the same character. Raiden stars in 2 games (1 is forthcoming) and the rest of the characters in the series haven't had a constant prominent role or starred in a Metal Gear game.
Because Ninty isn't exactly well-known for keeping up with the current technologies.
Uhh... it's called the Wiimote and motion controls. Microsoft and Sony both made inferior copies of it years later. Also, the DS' touch screen and the 3DS having 3D without requiring 3D glasses.

Now if you're talking graphics, yes they were behind in the 7th Generation. In the 5th and 6th Generation they had consoles with solid graphics. I think this generation (at least initially) Nintendo will compete with the next Xbox and the next Playstation console.
 

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About that, for those such characters they had problems with, then by consequence it means they could not have appeared AT ALL in Brawl, right? Surely any legal stuff wouldn't make the distinction of playable character or sticker.
Most likely. Shortie was the one who found the original quote and Sakurai mentioned he had legal trouble with some Nintendo characters. A big thing I was pointing out is that they seem to pick characters mostly from Nintendo 1st party franchises (with the exception of the third parties). That seems to be the trend at least. Could change with SSB4.
 

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Now if you're talking graphics, yes they were behind in the 7th Generation. In the 5th and 6th Generation they had consoles with solid graphics. I think this generation (at least initially) Nintendo will compete with the next Xbox and the next Playstation console.
It's funny, because when Nintendo is just now catching up to the 360 and PS3, but when Sony and Microsoft make their next console, Nintendo will be behind again, lol.
 

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It's funny, because when Nintendo is just now catching up to the 360 and PS3, but when Sony and Microsoft make their next console, Nintendo will be behind again, lol.
If one honestly thinks that the Wii U will only be as powerful, or even just slightly more powerful, than the 360 or PS3, then I think that person is silly.

Nintendo may be antiquated with some aspects of hardware production, but they aren't stupid.
 

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If one honestly thinks that the Wii U will only be as powerful, or even just slightly more powerful, than the 360 or PS3, then I think that person is silly.

Nintendo may be antiquated with some aspects of hardware production, but they aren't stupid.
When an expensive controller is the main focus, using old technology (360 and PS3 level hardware) to keep costs down makes sense. Besides, it's already been said it's probably 150% more powerful than the PS3. I'm not really SURE, but that probably won't a very noticeable LEAP.
 

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When an expensive controller is the main focus, using old technology (360 and PS3 level hardware) to keep costs down makes sense. Besides, it's already been said it's probably 150% more powerful than the PS3. I'm not really SURE, but that probably won't a very noticeable LEAP.
The rumored specs of the next XBOX (720?) aren't much better than the Wii-U.
 

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If one honestly thinks that the Wii U will only be as powerful, or even just slightly more powerful, than the 360 or PS3, then I think that person is silly.

Nintendo may be antiquated with some aspects of hardware production, but they aren't stupid.
The main thing is the console is touch screen and its true that nothing can't beat ps3 and 360 but think they add more bits.
 

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When an expensive controller is the main focus, using old technology (360 and PS3 level hardware) to keep costs down makes sense. Besides, it's already been said it's probably 150% more powerful than the PS3. I'm not really SURE, but that probably won't a very noticeable LEAP.
It won't be a noticeable leap resolution-wise, but the true power in this generation is in the game engines, anyways. 1080p is the most widely adopted full HD format, and that isn't changing anytime soon. We're still years away from 4000p resolution TVs being viable for most consumers, so this is why everyone's eyes are so fixated on Sony and Microsoft for the next generation: they'll be forced to innovate because they can't just shove more horsepower into their machines. Sure, the 720 and PS4 might be slightly more powerful than the Wii U, but that will mostly be in terms of the operating systems and DRAM. I'm not saying that we've reached a graphical peak with gaming, but Microsoft and Sony can't just force the whole market to upgrade their TVs so that they can have more powerful consoles than Nintendo.
 

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It's funny, because when Nintendo is just now catching up to the 360 and PS3, but when Sony and Microsoft make their next console, Nintendo will be behind again, lol.
That's why I think Nintendo needs to graphically prepare for future technologies and the long-haul. I think they can and will do that now with graphics. I think that they will make an online at the very least as good as the PS3's.
 

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...Well, nuts.

That makes them automatically Third Party. :/
I know there is some humor there I'm not detecting...

They just developed a Dragon Quest eShop title for Square Enix. Nintendo and Square Enix have a very comfortable relationship when it comes to the Dragon Quest series, as I have explained in my many ramblings in the past.
 

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I know there is some humor there I'm not detecting...

They just developed a Dragon Quest eShop title for Square Enix. Nintendo and Square Enix have a very comfortable relationship when it comes to the Dragon Quest series, as I have explained in my many ramblings in the past.
I didn't say a third party game. I said a third party SYSTEM.

1st parties can make a third party game. Mario & Sonic games are third party.

You misunderstood what I asked earlier.
 

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I absolutely will. I'll be one of those folks you see camping out in the Lawn & Garden section of Wal-Mart days before launch. These is facts.
Rofl, is that a policy or something. That's where they put us too.

I think I'll wait until the Wii U comes with a third analog stick built in.
 

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I didn't say a third party game. I said a third party SYSTEM.

1st parties can make a third party game. Mario & Sonic games are third party.

You misunderstood what I asked earlier.
No... I understood your question quite well. I simply listed their only foray into the third party market as gaving developed Dragon Quest Wars for Square Enix.

I absolutely will. I'll be one of those folks you see camping out in the Lawn & Garden section of Wal-Mart days before launch. These is facts.
Good luck even getting to the GC, knowing how Walmart operates you'll be lucky if the line does not wrap around the store. Plus some of the associates will likely hoard some systems somewhere; even though internal policy forbids it there is always one associate who will do it...

Only time being near the GC helps is on Black Friday where they have their large TV's typically stored at.
 

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Rofl, is that a policy or something. That's where they put us too.

I think I'll wait until the Wii U comes with a third analog stick built in.
I don't know. The guys I waited for the Wii with set up a Gamecube and we had a little Melee tournament.

Also, I see what you did there. The fact that the 3DS doesn't have 2 slide pads is literally the only thing I don't like about it. That, and that the upper screen gets scratched to hell by the raised portion of the lower screen sometimes.
 
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