New OOS Options on Platforms with Shielddropping

[dashdancedan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMxgGtMLEfw

 

[AXE 09]

I'm not gonna lie, this is amazing =O

I wish I could do this on command...

*starts practicing*

 

[dashdancedan]

I think you can buffer the motion during shieldstun and drop through frame perfect every time. Testing will be done in the near future

EDIT: after testing I've discovered that you can
1. After the 4th frame of shield, or holding a trigger button while on the platform for 4 frames (ex. after L-canceling aerials or holding R after a laser or just after landing) you can drop through on the NEXT FRAME by having your control stick in a very specific spot about halfway between center and all the way down.
2. You can buffer it out of shieldstun. That means that you can be holding that specific position throughout all of hitstun and you will pass through on the frame you are out of hitstun.

This is crazy ****

 

[Pi]

I think you can buffer the motion during shieldstun and drop through frame perfect every time. Testing will be done in the near future

EDIT: after testing I've discovered that you can
1. After the 4th frame of shield, or holding a trigger button while on the platform for 4 frames (ex. after L-canceling aerials or holding R after a laser or just after landing) you can drop through on the NEXT FRAME by having your control stick in a very specific spot about halfway between center and all the way down.
2. You can buffer it out of shieldstun. That means that you can be holding that specific position throughout all of hitstun and you will pass through on the frame you are out of hitstun.

This is crazy ****

What
that sounds amazing

 

[LLDL]

The Dash Drop duh.

Edit: nvm thats taken. the dan drop :>

 

[Lovage]

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2. You can buffer it out of shieldstun. That means that you can be holding that specific position throughout all of hitstun and you will pass through on the frame you are out of hitstun.

This is crazy ****

WHAT


um that's potentially amazing, we'll see

 

[dashdancedan]

It's like right above the angle needed to sidestep

 

[Geist]

Buffering shield drops sounds mad sexy.

 

[Ch3s]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llq9Ef-1lyQ

I just added pc drop to the mix. Really only posting this to tell people not to be deterred, i learned this in 20 minutes, this was my first recording, i can do it 60% of the time, and most importantly, i main frickin luigi. yall can do this, cmon now.

ill maybe try to make a longer one with a few added things in a little.

Edit: Its nothing new, but its a little longer and demonstrates the point i was trying to make (whatever that was ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpAZ8K3EnO8

 

[Tee ay eye]

i cant get the buffered shield drops down

are you supposed to time it or angle it a certain way?

 

[TheCrimsonBlur]

I think you can buffer the motion during shieldstun and drop through frame perfect every time. Testing will be done in the near future

EDIT: after testing I've discovered that you can
1. After the 4th frame of shield, or holding a trigger button while on the platform for 4 frames (ex. after L-canceling aerials or holding R after a laser or just after landing) you can drop through on the NEXT FRAME by having your control stick in a very specific spot about halfway between center and all the way down.
2. You can buffer it out of shieldstun. That means that you can be holding that specific position throughout all of hitstun and you will pass through on the frame you are out of hitstun.

This is crazy ****

Woah.

Woah.

Woaaaaaaaah.

dashdancedan is amazing.

 

[dashdancedan]

i cant get the buffered shield drops down

are you supposed to time it or angle it a certain way?

The angle is just above the angle required to sidestep. It helps if you do the normal movement for shielddropping so that you end up at that (control stick) position by the end of shieldstun. After you can shield drop consistently from a neutral standing position, you'll see where the stick needs to go and you can do the motion faster and faster as long as you stop at that angle or position.

It's like slightly above the 315/225 degree notch.

 

[dashdancedan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aRNPxiBUM4

:36
2:02

 

[Pi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aRNPxiBUM4

:36
2:02

Not so sure that 2nd one was shield dropping, he WD'd forward so he could have just dropped through

I'm still a bit fuzzy on this tech.
Run me through a step by step in this situation:

You are on a platform
Holding shield (no direction, just holding it)
Marth Utilts your shield, you are in shield hit stun, what do you do from here (in order to shield drop as fast as possible)? step by step
Also at what point can you release shield (I'm samus so can't hold shield and neutral A or grab)

 

[dashdancedan]

Not so sure that 2nd one was shield dropping, he WD'd forward so he could have just dropped through

I'm still a bit fuzzy on this tech.
Run me through a step by step in this situation:

You are on a platform
Holding shield (no direction, just holding it)
Marth Utilts your shield, you are in shield hit stun, what do you do from here (in order to shield drop as fast as possible)? step by step
Also at what point can you release shield (I'm samus so can't hold shield and neutral A or grab)

Do the motion you usually do for shielddrop ending on the position that you would start your drop through when hitstun ends. Learning that motion with get you familiar with the position needed to shielddrop when hitstun ends.

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Glad I caught this. Thanks for spreading this info.
I can't do it perfectly yet, but I'm getting better.
Thankfully, I have the debug menu to help me with frames.

 

[THeDarKnesS]

Man, are there any tricks to doing this? This is really really hard.

 

[BBQ°]

Man, are there any tricks to doing this? This is really really hard.

it's easier if you meditate 6-8 hours prior.

 

[dashdancedan]

Man, are there any tricks to doing this? This is really really hard.

roll from center to about halfway down at varying speeds until you get it. Once you find a speed that works, then practice that, continually increasing your speed to the SAME POINT on the control stick when you stopped on the slower runs.

Too slow and you just move your shield, too fast and you sidestep.

 

[THeDarKnesS]

Is it the same if you are running or standing? Is either easier?

 

[dashdancedan]

Is it the same if you are running or standing? Is either easier?

This is from standing shield, the running method, or shai drop is much easier

 

[KAOSTAR]

This is from standing shield, the running method, or shai drop is much easier

Edited for "shai drop" not "isai drop"

 

[dashdancedan]

I was under the impression that you cannot "Isai drop" until you are in full run. So wouldn't it be more efficient to shield drop from a dash?

If this is the case, it would be a more precise way to space and drop down from a platform. It also stops all of your momentum giving you more control over your DI.

I would only "Isai Drop" if I wanted to keep more momentum, which, IMO, seems more risky.

situational

 

[KAOSTAR]

Lol, aight.

 

[omgwtfToph]

you mean shai drop, not isai drop

isai drop is when you're walking and you cannot "isai drop" from running animation

shai drop is the running shield drop although i might start calling it the zhu drop

 

[KAOSTAR]

Oh ok thanks for clearing that up.

is shai a smasher or just the name, and why zhu drop? whats wrong with love drop lol <3Drop

 

[Eternal Yoshi]

Why is is that there are ocassions where when I try this Yoshi, that even though I don't press the shield button, Yoshi will dive toward the end of the initial dash animation when I hold downwards like a quarter-circle forward down?
I can't seem to reproduce this with the other characters. :/
I looked through the frames and it DOES say PASS.

 

[ranmaru]

Gotta perfect this before No johns tommorow LOL

 

[dashdancedan]

Edited for "shai drop" not "isai drop"

I thought I typed shai, didn't I?

 

[Lovage]

i dont like any of those names for shai drop

running shield drop is my fav

 

[KAOSTAR]

i dont like any of those names for shai drop

running shield drop is my fav

<3drop lol. I think shai drop sounds cool, but its a dashing shield drop. soooo.... as long as you can do it I guess.

I thought I typed shai, didn't I?

You did, it was my mistake. I didnt know that running shield dropped had a name other than running shield drop. I just kinda assumed you were saying to do a running shield drop or an isai drop because they are easier to do.

 

[dashdancedan]

Is anyone trying to do stuff out of shield pressure

 

[PB&J]

triple d- how about coming over and playing with me , merck and josh sometime

 

[dashdancedan]

Maybe when my 4 week summer semester is over.

 

[KAOSTAR]

Is anyone trying to do stuff out of shield pressure

I think ppl get shield pressured(nair shines or similar) on platforms alot less often. but as marth or something shielding and falling thru with an upair would be beast. I can Shai drop consistently but Im pretty bad oos for somethings. Im pretty sure ill sidestep and get punished. But ill practice tho.

 

[PB&J]

Maybe when my 4 week summer semester is over.

sounds good

 

[dashdancedan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSdTFXQlE1Q#t=3m30

 

[dashdancedan]

Hey was somebody looking for this?

 

[GHNeko]

Shield ****ing drop

 

[Brookman]

subscribing for reference