New Member Application Discussion

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#1
Below is what we used this, the first time around. Feel free to provide your thoughts and feedback as to the application going forward.

Hey everyone. Here is the first process for members application into our inaugural SSB64 Backroom. The application process will be conducted via PM, so please do not post your application in this thread. It is highly recommended that PMs are sent to all 3 Backroom Leaders (SuPeRbOoM, cheeseball341, and Surri-Sama).

Do not forget to apply for membership to the 64 Back Room group in the User CP (under Group Memberships).

PM Links:
Backroom Application Deadline: Sunday, 21/11/2010

The initial round of applicants will be chosen by the three-person panel of SuPeRbOoM, cheeseball341 and Surri-Sama in joint conference.

The SSB64 Backroom is a work in process. This very first round of admissions is going to go a long way towards shaping it into a highly contributing part of the 64 community. Based on that, we are going to do our best to find a great group of 64 backroomers. So please take the application process seriously. Intellectual discussion and regular informed contribution is expected from backroomers, so please keep this in mind if you intend to apply that we want people that are going to properly represent the group and make real contributions. If you are not sure if this is you, or you have the time right now, do not apply.

Structuring Your Application

Smashboards Username (a formality)
Aliases on Kaillera servers (if applicable)
Location (Region if in US, country if not)
Character Main (You will be expected to contribute to discussion on this main. If you do you believe you specialise enough to contribute, indicate so - this will not be penalised in consideration)
Secondary Characters

What sort of history do you have playing the Super Smash Brothers series?

What level of player do you consider yourself? How do you compare to the community at large? Do you have any results (if you do have results, links would be appreciated) or personal recommendations to back up that claim?

Which aspect of SSB64 do you specialize in? Do you specialize yourself in knowing select characters? Do you have considerable knowledge about 64's physics engine? Maybe you are good at devising training mode combos. Please elaborate on what you think you specialize in.

How often do you attend console/online tournaments? Specify between console/online.

Are you a Tournament Host yourself? If so, how successful are your tournaments? Again, please specify whether the tournament was console or online.

Have you made topics, posts, or videos that benefit the community as a whole? Please indicate relevant contributions with links.

What do you plan to bring to the SSB64 Backroom that others may not be able to offer? Please elaborate, and, if possible, offer ideas.

What exactly would you like the SSB64 Backroom to look into or work on?

Is there anything else you would like us to take into account for your selection? Please show your initiative and willingness to be an active, contributing member to the backroom

Feel free to quote this application guideline and respond in the given gaps when PMing the application to us.
 

SheerMadness

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#2
I don't think there should be an application process. It takes forever and only the leaders get to decide who joins.

I think everyone in the backroom should get to decide who joins, especially since the ssb64 community is so small compared to melee and brawl. IMO we should simply find out who wants to join the backroom and then everyone take a poll on who we should allow to join.
 
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#5
All i want to know is why people think we are going to have a lot of new members...Unless we get a lot of the specific people who Didn't apply last time...to apply this time...we probably wont have many more then 1-2 new people...if that.

We dont need more members to get this place moving we need our leaders to enforce rules and get projects started the right way. We need groups assembled and objectives pointed out.

Once those things start happening we might have a BR again.
 
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#6
You're talking like you aren't one of the leaders :3

JV sort of forgot this place existed.

i would not be surprised if we got only 1 new member, I'm thinking 4 at the very, very most, unless someone wows us.
 
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#7
Whew, yeah, I was under the impression that you wanted to make the BR like 50% larger.

You should mention in the application that it's expected that very few people will get in. Maybe nobody will.
 
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My application was terrible lol

and please let malva get here.
I'm sure they would. He didn't apply, didn't feel like it apparently.

If I was malva, and I didn't feel like writing an application, I would send a blank one, just to see what the Backroom leaders would do (and play games with the community). If they accepted me, I could be smug in the knowledge that I successfully avoided unnecessary work. If they rejected me, I could say so in the social thread and watch the 64 community revolt, putting the Backroom leaders under pressure. Win-win. Oh god, why do I think of these things?
 
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Here was my application:
DMoogle said:
Smashboards Username: DMoogle
Aliases on Kaillera servers: A$
Location: Northern Virginia, U.S.
Character Main (You will be expected to contribute to discussion on this main. If you do you believe you specialise enough to contribute, indicate so - this will not be penalised in consideration): Luigi and Pika are probably my strongest, maybe Ness too.
Secondary Characters: Everyone except Yoshi. Besides Yoshi, DK and Jigglypuff are probably my worst (or at least my least experienced).

What sort of history do you have playing the Super Smash Brothers series? I've played SSB off and on practically since it came out, but I only started playing seriously once I discovered Kaillera... around early 2007, I think.

What level of player do you consider yourself? How do you compare to the community at large? Do you have any results (if you do have results, links would be appreciated) or personal recommendations to back up that claim? Although my online experience dwarfs my console experience, I consider myself a high level player. I feel that I'm on the level right below JaimeHR. Besides him and the "titans" Superboomfan and malva, nobody comes to mind as being significantly better than me. Zenyore, Sensei, and maybe Not Frogles come to mind as being a little better than me.

I came in second in MATTS' 64-person tournament (results here http://i38.tinypic.com/28h0b6d.jpg), and won two other ditto tournaments he hosted (results here http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=283568, more details (main thread) here http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=264458)

My console experience is with online players has been limited, but similar to my online experiences. I've played MarioReincarnate and a few other people (whose online aliases I can't remember), and have similar results. I also teamed up with MarioReincarnate for a money teams tournament hosted by Wenbobular, and won.

Which aspect of SSB64 do you specialize in? Do you specialize yourself in knowing select characters? Do you have considerable knowledge about 64's physics engine? Maybe you are good at devising training mode combos. Please elaborate on what you think you specialize in. Although I don't think I'm a creative person myself, when I see other people apply a new concept, I'm able to incorporate it into my game quite quickly. So, when Isai posts new videos, I almost always learn something new, and I'm able to apply it to my game almost immediately.

I like thinking and talking about optimal vs. unexploitable strategies (I have some background in Game Theory).

How often do you attend console/online tournaments? Specify between console/online. I've only played one console tournament (the teams one I won that I mentioned earlier). I used to not engage in any online tournaments, but I changed that around a year ago. During the school year, I can't play online, but during the breaks I'll probably be playing in almost every tournament I can get my hands on.

Are you a Tournament Host yourself? If so, how successful are your tournaments? Again, please specify whether the tournament was console or online. I've never hosted a tournament, but I might host one on console at my university in the next few months.

Have you made topics, posts, or videos that benefit the community as a whole? Please indicate relevant contributions with links. Self improvement topic: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=256741
Match videos: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=282452

I've been meaning to make a DI instructional video for a long time, but I haven't done it yet.

What do you plan to bring to the SSB64 Backroom that others may not be able to offer? Please elaborate, and, if possible, offer ideas. I always try my very best to offer an objective perspective on things. I feel like the optimal vs. unexploitable strategies idea is one that a lot of people ignore or misunderstand, and I think I can contribute to that topic for sure.

What exactly would you like the SSB64 Backroom to look into or work on? My number one wish is for the SSB64 community to grow, so perhaps we can help work toward that.

Is there anything else you would like us to take into account for your selection? Please show your initiative and willingness to be an active, contributing member to the backroom. I'm friendly, smart, skillful, and serious. And even although I don't have an opportunity to play much anymore during the school year, I'm still an active member on Smashboards, and I freely offer my insight on things where I feel that it can be used.
I also sent each leader $5 via Paypal as a bribe to get them to let me in.
 
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Here was mine:


ballin4life said:
Smashboards Username: ballin4life
Aliases on Kaillera servers: ballin4life
Location: Northern California
Character Main: Fox
Secondary Characters: Falcon, Pikachu, Kirby, Yoshi

What sort of history do you have playing the Super Smash Brothers series?

Played it as a kid when it first came out. Started playing seriously around 2 years ago, learning combos, practicing against CPUs, and watching videos on YouTube. I practiced until I could do every Alancitu and Isai combo that I saw in their matches. I also started experimenting on my own in training mode, doing my own combos, and eventually I started a YouTube channel for my combos (58 subscribers yay!), and later expanded this to have my matches. I started going to local tournaments in San Francisco and realized that there was a lot more to being good than just doing combos. That was about a year and a half ago. I go to a tournament about once a month, and I also play online every once in a while when I have access to good internet.

What level of player do you consider yourself? How do you compare to the community at large? Do you have any results (if you do have results, links would be appreciated) or personal recommendations to back up that claim?

Well, I won the 4 person round robin tournament this past weekend :) (link: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=11608111&postcount=6224). You can also check the first post of that thread for some more of my results (they're buried in there). One other that I'd like to point out is here ( http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=280545 )

I'd say that I am excellent at combos with all the characters. My approach game is mediocre except when I play as Fox. I get gimped too much also. I'd still say that I am a solid player though. When I play online I usually win when playing against people that I haven't heard of. I also think that I am a lot worse online because my best character, Fox, relies so much on speed.

Overall I think I am a good player. I've had some close matches against Tigerbombz, and I did manage to beat a rusty s2j in a tournament set.

For someone else's opinion of my skill level check this post:
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=288702


Which aspect of SSB64 do you specialize in? Do you specialize yourself in knowing select characters? Do you have considerable knowledge about 64's physics engine? Maybe you are good at devising training mode combos. Please elaborate on what you think you specialize in.

Well, I think that I do the best/most interesting training mode combos of anyone besides Isai/Prince/Alancitu. I think that my best combos are up there with anyone's besides Isai's. (this one is my favorite: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQko9LRAayA
and this one is also pretty creative: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXsx__Z6TYs ).

I'm also good with tech skill in general, particularly with Fox, but I know pretty much all the usual technical skills for all the characters.

How often do you attend console/online tournaments? Specify between console/online.

I've never been in an online tournament but I go to console tournaments about once per month.

Are you a Tournament Host yourself? If so, how successful are your tournaments? Again, please specify whether the tournament was console or online.

I've helped Darth Rancorous with running some Smash 64 side events at Melee tournaments in the past. He's the main force behind that though, I just try to help out when I can. We've had some tournaments with pretty impressive turnout - 10+ people fairly regularly.

Have you made topics, posts, or videos that benefit the community as a whole? Please indicate relevant contributions with links.

Well, I think I post the most new matches and combos on YouTube out of anyone here. I also think that my posts on serious topics are informative. I answer a lot of questions that people ask. In serious discussions I have made good contributions, like the Categorized Character Tier List thread.

I also have some ideas that I haven't completed yet, like creating a Falcon combo guide.

I think I give good gameplay, technical skill, and move selection advice in general too. Examples from the fox thread:

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11331638#post11331638

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=11333555#post11333555

What do you plan to bring to the SSB64 Backroom that others may not be able to offer? Please elaborate, and, if possible, offer ideas.

I play on console more often than most people on this forum. I would be able to test out things on console, which I feel is fairly different from online play.

Being a primarily console player who still has online experience is probably my biggest difference from other posters on the forum.

What exactly would you like the SSB64 Backroom to look into or work on?

Stage list and rule sets are the biggest ones I think. I'd maybe like to look at the tier list, and maybe come out with a stage specific tier list or something like that, but I don't think that's as much of a priority. The big thing is to promote SSB64 tournaments and the competitive community, and I think solidifying a better ruleset is the biggest step forward to be made.

Is there anything else you would like us to take into account for your selection? Please show your initiative and willingness to be an active, contributing member to the backroom

Well, as a closing statement to this application, I would like to say that I have been a contributor to the community for a while and I'd like to continue to contribute in the best way that I can. I know that I am not the best player in the world, but I am a high level player with good knowledge about the game and lots of experience on console. I am very active on the forums and would be willing to do the same for the back room.
 
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So you want to give feedback on the applications, is that right?

To be honest, I still feel letting members in is an executive decision, though that's undoubtedly hierarchical-elitist thinking on my part. Taking into account the size of the community and how such a small community will know its members, I am open to letting the community give their input. I'm not sure about letting everyone vote, given there is definite and unstated bias - for instance, I can feel I'll almost definitely vote ciaza in if he applies, because I know the sort of level he's at and he's from Australia, and therefore anticipate abstaining from that particular decision.

I'm alright with posting the applications, but if so I expect everybody to seriously comment on each one, as that's what boom, Surri and I did when discussing admissions (hence why it took so damn long). If you have bias, say it outright, sometimes those with positive bias know a lot more than anyone else.

I'm still waiting on my $5.
 
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if isai does something like this im gonna vote him in

im opening applications tomorrow, or the day after at the latest, so any objections come now or hold your peace...sorta, you can still object but it won't make as much of a difference :\
 
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I'm going to post it with a couple additional questions regarding their opinions on the tier list/ruleset. It's basically a test to see whether they can give their opinion correctly - unless the content is depressingly inaccurate, it will merely be a show of literacy.

I'll remove that if nobody wants it there, but I think it's appropriate, given similar questions are on both the Melee and Brawl apps (perhaps for different reasons).

The training mode question will be left in, as it proved very useful in discerning who could comprehend questions or not :p
 

SheerMadness

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#18
So are we gonna get to look at/vote on the new apps?

Maybe something like:

Backroom leader vote = 3 points

Backroom member vote = 1 point
 
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The problem with that system is that it forces us to either pick only the top 2/3 people, even if there are other worthy candidates, or enforce a point threshold for entry, which is too arbitrary for my liking. There isn't any real criteria anyway, and we're trying to be a bit stricter with entry this time.

We're still actively discussing (this is true ._.) whether apps are to be made public. If they are, I'm not sure members should get voting powers as of yet. You would have free reign to comment, because the three of us could miss some gaping hole in an app, but for now we're still doing preliminary discussion, including on whether or not to publish the applications.

There are 9 applications this time around, not including SmasherLink :awesome:
 

SheerMadness

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I definitely think we should at least be able to view the apps and state our opinions.

Perhaps you don't realize but multiple of us backroom members were asked about being backroom leaders (some of us turned it down while some us said we'd do it if there weren't anyone else equally qualified but more enthusiastic). So it could easily have been us being the ones discussing whether or not you should be able to view the apps or not. :)

p.s. I would let you view them hehe!
 
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It's also why I've been using it.

I know that A$, Sheer and Blue Yoshi were approached for BR stuff. I also recommended Jaime. I have no qualms about letting the apps run wild and free in the inexcusably confined paddock of the backroom. That's my opinion.
 

SheerMadness

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#27
I'm not sure they should have the choice to let backroom members see it or not. They're applying to be part of the backroom, and we are part of the backroom. We should be allowed to voice our opinions about potential inductees.

Sorry but I gotta use s2j as an example again. No offense to the leaders but I still very much disagree with his induction. I know a number of us members really didn't understand why he got in. He was one of the ssb64 board's biggest trolls for a good year and a 1/2 to 2 years. And he's banned from smashboards as we speak, because he's a troll.

I think the more open the discussion the better chance we have to avoid situations like that again.
 

dandan

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for some reason i have a feeling isai was too meh to apply and he would still not be here, which is a shame.
 

SheerMadness

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Guess we don't get to see the applications? Disappointing. :(

You guys can have fun reading mine though:

Smashboards Username:
- SheerMadness
Alias on Kaillera:
- Too many to remember. None in the past 2-3 years though.
Location:
- Orlando, FL
Character Main:
- Yoshi
Secondary Characters:
- Fox. I play Yoshi and fox 99% of the time. I don’t really have fun with any other characters.

What sort of history do you have playing the Super Smash Brothers series?
- I found and started playing on Kaillera around May of 2005. From Kaillera I found Smashboards and it got me interested in melee. I’ve been playing competitive melee since late 2005. I played competitive brawl for about the 1st year and ½. I was on FL’s power rankings with Kirby. I really don’t play brawl anymore, just ssb64 and melee.


Are you a skilful player? How do you relate your skills to the rest of the community? Do you have anyone who can vouch for your skills?
- I like to think I am. I’m definitely one of the oldest players left on Kaillera. Jaime, Boom, and malva are probably the only players left who were on kaillera before me. Most people on Kaillera can vouch for me I think.

Which aspect of SSB64 do you specialize in? Do you specialize yourself in knowing select characters? Do you have considerable knowledge about 64's physics engine? Maybe you are good at devising training mode combos. Please elaborate on what you think you specialize in.

- I would say Yoshi is what I specialize in. After watching Sossi’s videos when I first started I was determined to be able to play like him. He was so fast and he pressured the hell out of people, it was very fun to watch. I think my Yoshi has been on another level compared to the other North American Yoshis the past 3-4 years. I’m fairly certain I was the first to start consistently parrying and breaking shields outside of Japan.

How often do you attend console/online tournaments? Specify between console/online.
- There aren’t any console ssb64 tourneys in Florida, so none of those. I did attend melee console tourneys very regularly from 2006-2008. I still attend them occasionally. I play in online ssb64 tourneys every once in a while.

How well do you place in tournaments? Evidence would be appreciated.
- I believe I got 3rd in the two biggest online ssb64 tourneys in the past year or two. I lost to A$ in both tourneys, our games are really close. And I lost to Boom in winners finals of one of those tourneys. I lost 3-2 to Jaime in MATTS pro tourney. And I beat Jaime 3-2 in a low tier tourney.

Are you a Tournament Host yourself? If so, how successful are your tournaments? Again, please specify whether the tournament was console or online.
- Not often. I’ve hosted 1 or 2 melee tourneys and 1 or 2 ssb64 online tourneys but that’s about it.

Have you made posts or videos that benefit the community as a whole? Please indicate relevant contributions with links.
- Using my ssb64 experience I basically showed the melee Yoshi community what parrying is and how useful it can be. They really didn’t understand what it was exactly or if it could be used before I made the parrying thread. Now, thanks to my thread (I think), we’re just now seeing videos of Yoshi players parrying in melee matches.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=263122
- And I’m way more involved in the ssb64 community than melee. A good example would be dandan’s Yoshi video. 95% of that video is him recording me parrying/shield breaking and comboing. I’ve been posting in the ssb64 forum for 5+ years so I could give endless examples if you want.

What do you plan to bring to the SSB64 Backroom that others may not be able to offer? Please elaborate, and, if possible, offer ideas.
Experience. I’ve played all 3 games competitively for extended periods of time. I’ve also been posting on smashboards longer than 99% (again Boom/Jaime/Malva) of ssb64 who are active on there. Thus, I think I’m a little more knowledgeable than most.

What exactly would you like the SSB64 Backroom to look into or work on?
- That’s a good question and I really don’t know. Never been part of a backroom and I’m not sure if it will work for the ssb64 community. But I’d really like to be part of the group that makes an attempt at it.

Is there anything else you would like us to take into account for your selection? Please show your initiative and willingness to be an active, contributing member to the backroom
- Just look at my activity on the ssb64 forums for the past 5 years.
 

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#38
just wondering whether there is any news about this.
we also need to continue the matchup thread, pick more matchups alfred :D
 
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really, really busy with uni atm

i swear ill have some more written up by next week, i have a summative test on friday and an australian smash major tournament (which im hosting 64 at, yey) on the weekend, so expect some work on it after that's cleared up :)

surri might not like it, but ill go ahead and say that nintendude1189 is likely in (stellar app), while boom has still got some other people to judge
 
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#40
Kind of surprised/disappointed Peek didn't apply.

Especially since Boomfan is practically homo for him, that would help his chances greatly.
 
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