AndrogynousOkami
Smash Cadet
I don't know if this is already known or used, but here it is anyway.
momo1487 actually found the basic premise of this a while back (smashboards won't let me link it, but it's on the first page), but while I was practicing with SHAGing and shorthop > throw > wavedash, I accidentally discovered that this is a lot more versatile. The basic premise is that with the shorter bomb throw lengths in 3.5, your bomb stays closer to you and you can mess with it more.
I found four options out of a shorthop bomb throw: AGT (forward), wavedash regrab (forward), wavedash WITHOUT regrab (any direction), and even a bomb punt. The former two require you to spend at least one frame starting a dash before the shorthop, but the other two can be done from a standing position, which means they can be done out of shield. They would rarely be ideal oos options, but maybe you could take advantage of a gap in projectile pressure to get off a bomb punt.
These are mostly self-explanatory, but there are a few details.
First, the airdodge for AGT must be pointed forward to some degree to catch the bomb.
Second, to bomb punt, you must airdodge > attack; for some reason, pressing the grab button attacks instead of zairs.
Third, the last two options require you to be a little farther away from the bomb or you'll just grab it with the airdodge. Thus, to do these out of a running shorthop, you must tap backwards as you throw the bomb in order to reduce your forward momentum.
Also, note that you can also airdodge forward (regrab) > zair, but I didn't include that in the above list because the frame window is really tight and it doesn't come out all the way. It's basically the same as bomb punt, but with the attack button delayed after the airdodge.
I've been calling it skipping because the wonky movement of Tink reminds me of a stone skipping across the water.
The utility of the first three variations mostly amounts to having the extra coverage of a bomb in front of you as you move forward. You can skip dash (wavedash regrab) forward with the threat of switching to a skip AGT if your opponent comes within range or simply skip drop (wavedash without regrab) to let the bomb explode in front of you without actually hitting you, even with a wavedash forward. Skipping also lets you add forward momentum to a bomb punt, giving you access to the extended range and altered trajectory without forcing you to stand still and set it up.
However, the frame window for the skip punt is pretty tight, especially from a stationary short hop. I couldnt bring myself to do all of the frame testing for a running shorthop because holding back added one too many variables, but I do know that you should wait a couple of frames after jumping before throwing the bomb, and you should hold back for as few frames as possible. I did get the frames for a stationary skip punt, though.
Toon Link's jumpsquat is 3 frames, a bomb throw lasts 20 frames, the zair hitbox comes out on frame 11 and takes a few frames to move forward from there, and a shorthop without a fastfall will have Tink landing on frame 30. Thus:
If the bomb is thrown on frame 1 of the jump, you will have a window of only 1 frame to input zair as soon as your throw ends.
If the bomb is thrown on frames 2 or 3 of the jump, that window extends to 2 frames because the bomb is released closer to the apex of your jump and takes longer to hit the ground.
However, if the bomb is thrown on frame 4 or later, you will land and cancel your zair before it hits the bomb at all.
The window for the throw becomes more lenient out of a running shorthop, but the window for the zair is still precise.
Skip AGT and skip punt have fullhop variants too, but you have to wait until you reach the apex of your jump; otherwise, you'll rise above the bomb after you throw it.
So the inputs are
Skip AGT: running shorthop > forward throw > airdodge up or forward up (regrab) > throw
Skip dash: running shorthop > forward throw > wavedash forward (regrab)
Skip drop: [running] shorthop > forward throw > [back >] wavedash
Skip punt: [running] shorthop > forward throw > [back >] airdodge forward > zair
I find that these all mix together pretty well. You can skip AGT forward up to skip zair in the same jump, and it looks pretty awesome.
momo1487 actually found the basic premise of this a while back (smashboards won't let me link it, but it's on the first page), but while I was practicing with SHAGing and shorthop > throw > wavedash, I accidentally discovered that this is a lot more versatile. The basic premise is that with the shorter bomb throw lengths in 3.5, your bomb stays closer to you and you can mess with it more.
I found four options out of a shorthop bomb throw: AGT (forward), wavedash regrab (forward), wavedash WITHOUT regrab (any direction), and even a bomb punt. The former two require you to spend at least one frame starting a dash before the shorthop, but the other two can be done from a standing position, which means they can be done out of shield. They would rarely be ideal oos options, but maybe you could take advantage of a gap in projectile pressure to get off a bomb punt.
These are mostly self-explanatory, but there are a few details.
First, the airdodge for AGT must be pointed forward to some degree to catch the bomb.
Second, to bomb punt, you must airdodge > attack; for some reason, pressing the grab button attacks instead of zairs.
Third, the last two options require you to be a little farther away from the bomb or you'll just grab it with the airdodge. Thus, to do these out of a running shorthop, you must tap backwards as you throw the bomb in order to reduce your forward momentum.
Also, note that you can also airdodge forward (regrab) > zair, but I didn't include that in the above list because the frame window is really tight and it doesn't come out all the way. It's basically the same as bomb punt, but with the attack button delayed after the airdodge.
I've been calling it skipping because the wonky movement of Tink reminds me of a stone skipping across the water.
The utility of the first three variations mostly amounts to having the extra coverage of a bomb in front of you as you move forward. You can skip dash (wavedash regrab) forward with the threat of switching to a skip AGT if your opponent comes within range or simply skip drop (wavedash without regrab) to let the bomb explode in front of you without actually hitting you, even with a wavedash forward. Skipping also lets you add forward momentum to a bomb punt, giving you access to the extended range and altered trajectory without forcing you to stand still and set it up.
However, the frame window for the skip punt is pretty tight, especially from a stationary short hop. I couldnt bring myself to do all of the frame testing for a running shorthop because holding back added one too many variables, but I do know that you should wait a couple of frames after jumping before throwing the bomb, and you should hold back for as few frames as possible. I did get the frames for a stationary skip punt, though.
Toon Link's jumpsquat is 3 frames, a bomb throw lasts 20 frames, the zair hitbox comes out on frame 11 and takes a few frames to move forward from there, and a shorthop without a fastfall will have Tink landing on frame 30. Thus:
If the bomb is thrown on frame 1 of the jump, you will have a window of only 1 frame to input zair as soon as your throw ends.
If the bomb is thrown on frames 2 or 3 of the jump, that window extends to 2 frames because the bomb is released closer to the apex of your jump and takes longer to hit the ground.
However, if the bomb is thrown on frame 4 or later, you will land and cancel your zair before it hits the bomb at all.
The window for the throw becomes more lenient out of a running shorthop, but the window for the zair is still precise.
Skip AGT and skip punt have fullhop variants too, but you have to wait until you reach the apex of your jump; otherwise, you'll rise above the bomb after you throw it.
So the inputs are
Skip AGT: running shorthop > forward throw > airdodge up or forward up (regrab) > throw
Skip dash: running shorthop > forward throw > wavedash forward (regrab)
Skip drop: [running] shorthop > forward throw > [back >] wavedash
Skip punt: [running] shorthop > forward throw > [back >] airdodge forward > zair
I find that these all mix together pretty well. You can skip AGT forward up to skip zair in the same jump, and it looks pretty awesome.
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