[Nesu] It's so deserted here I could find Criminal Caterpillars. (Post here if you're cool)

[AvariceX]

Canada sure is fun today...

 

[Eagleye893]

Ah, I forgot. Canada has insane amounts of snow EVERY year... We only got this because we're lucky.

@Avarice, Hopefully you aren't suffering from insane amounts of snow.
@Yink, It doesn't seem you've cleared all the snow there yet. Try a bigger shovel.
@miles, Shaky is more inactive lately, so for the sake of showing who, currently, is displaying more Ness power, I say FOW. Shaky would probably be equal to or better than him, but we need vids of both of them from recent events to determine that. If we hear from Shaky in a while, ... I don't know. BOTH OF THEM ARE REALLY GOOD!!! GRAH!!! Keep Shaky and FOW tied for a while, but tell FOW to post on the Ness boards so we can prove whether or not he is better than shaky tourney-standing-wise.


I took too long of a break from brawl and now can't super-sweet-spot PKT2s from any angle and any part of the stage (I couldn't do it from the middle of under SV... that's how I determine if I'm doing well or not). If anyone wants to, WiFi?

 

[milesg2g]

Fine, I'll put FOW first.

 

[Eagleye893]

I was saying to keep them tied at the end of that post.

I feel that Shaky is the better Ness.
Tournament-wise, Shaky hasn't posted anything recently OR we haven't heard of him.
FOW placed third in a huge regional, only losing to two of the best players in the nation (I'm not sure how badly he lost to them though, so that could be a factor).
Shaky placed FIRST in a regional a while ago, but that was then. We aren't sure now. Placing first is a big accomplishment, but how do the people of FL weigh against the people of WestCoast?

MAKE THEM TIED!!! THERE IS TOO MUCH STUFF TO FACTOR IN!

 

[AvariceX]

@Avarice, Hopefully you aren't suffering from insane amounts of snow.

Took this from my front door with my phone about 5 minutes ago. Not the worst I've seen after watching the news today, but that picture is also after shoveling and salting the driveway, and the snowplows just went by again about 20 minutes ago.

 

[milesg2g]

I just think FOW's a better player but not Ness.

 

[Chuee]

idk I thought Shaky was better but FOW really made a showing at WGF.
He beat Tyrant, who happened to beat Shaky before but meh, at least they should be tied.

 

[Z'zgashi]

@Eagle: FOW uses All is Brawl so hes not on SWF. Or at least not very much.

 

[Yink]

Guys, in that Top5 thread I made. Someone requested me to tie FOW and Shaky. I told him no, but he insisted because he thinks FOW is better than Ness. Statistically FOW is, but I'm not switching anything until you all talk about it.

Show me some statistics. I'm not buying it.

 

[Rockstar]

Finally finished. Check out my combo video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw6GTXDJVAQ Enjoy.

 

[Dajayman]

People still play Ness?

 

[ToferTheHuman]

You're still in this thread?

 

[Dajayman]

I know! Why am I still here?
Oh yeah, to +1 my post count.

I'll still be using Ness to face Lucases, my hatred for Lucas will never go away...

 

[Z'zgashi]

I dont main Ness

I used him in Mugen once though.

 

[milesg2g]

I dont main Ness

I used him in Mugen once though.

Lololololwut?

 

[Dajayman]

For you few Ness mains who still exist, I quit Ness for good for several reasons:

I used Ness for a couple reasons: I have amazing control and experience with him from using him for two years, I find his aggressive playstyle very fun to use, and I like his quick and powerful moveset. But the frustrations over time just add up. He has that stupidly gimpable recovery, grab release **** really sucks, and his moveset is mediocore at best. The last point of my frustrations, his mediocre moveset, I'll explain in even more detail.

Ness plays best imo when he's aggressive. Ness' defensive options aren't that good at all and we all know Ness' projectiles aren't good defensive/camping options. The thing is Ness' "combos" and followups are only mediocre. Ness has a very few low percent "combos", but they involve risky utilt/uair/PKF setups or they're aerial/grab strings that a lot of characters can break with quick moves which means that followups aren't guaranteed and requires you to properly read your opponent or you'll get punished hard.

Also since Ness' plays his best aggressively, he is forcing himself to risk being grabbed which is his biggest weakness. Ness has the tools to avoid being grabbed, but his aggressive playstyle is just asking for him to get grabbed. It's not smart to play with fire, but unfortunately Ness has to do so in order to play his best.

And lastly Ness' gimp potential is great but extremely risky. This probably frustrates me the most, we all know Ness' aerials are his strongest strength and his aerials are excellent edgeguarding tools. But if you make a single mistake or bad read, the tables will turn from a good situation to an awful situation. The last thing all Ness mains want is to be stuck offstage without a dj and only PKT to get back, praying that our opponents **** up somehow or show us some mercy.

Well I got a lot off my chest. I felt like a d*** coming in here and just saying "lol, I quit Ness since he sucks" since I love the Ness mains and I felt everybody deserved an explanation. I've been a Ness main for over two years since Brawl's release, we've all been through good and bad times and we had a lot of memorable experiences with each other. I'll still be around here to socialize and give help to anybody who needs it since I do know Ness extremely well. I'll also still be using Ness when I face any Lucas players (sorry, I kinda hate Ness dittoes) and if Ness happens to drop to low tier I'll use him for low tier tournaments.

That's all I need to say. My best advice for Ness mains brave enough to stick with him is to master his aggressive game and his PKT game, these are his greatest strengths imo. Also always be aware of Ness' two greatest weaknesses: his gimpable recovery and his grab release issues. Learn to DI well always, use your dj wisely, and don't get grabbed!

 

[Rockstar]

Ness is definently better while playing aggressive.

 

[milesg2g]

For you few Ness mains who still exist, I quit Ness for good for several reasons:

I used Ness for a couple reasons: I have amazing control and experience with him from using him for two years, I find his aggressive playstyle very fun to use, and I like his quick and powerful moveset. But the frustrations over time just add up. He has that stupidly gimpable recovery, grab release **** really sucks, and his moveset is mediocore at best. The last point of my frustrations, his mediocre moveset, I'll explain in even more detail.

Ness plays best imo when he's aggressive. Ness' defensive options aren't that good at all and we all know Ness' projectiles aren't good defensive/camping options. The thing is Ness' "combos" and followups are only mediocre. Ness has a very few low percent "combos", but they involve risky utilt/uair/PKF setups or they're aerial/grab strings that a lot of characters can break with quick moves which means that followups aren't guaranteed and requires you to properly read your opponent or you'll get punished hard.

Also since Ness' plays his best aggressively, he is forcing himself to risk being grabbed which is his biggest weakness. Ness has the tools to avoid being grabbed, but his aggressive playstyle is just asking for him to get grabbed. It's not smart to play with fire, but unfortunately Ness has to do so in order to play his best.

And lastly Ness' gimp potential is great but extremely risky. This probably frustrates me the most, we all know Ness' aerials are his strongest strength and his aerials are excellent edgeguarding tools. But if you make a single mistake or bad read, the tables will turn from a good situation to an awful situation. The last thing all Ness mains want is to be stuck offstage without a dj and only PKT to get back, praying that our opponents **** up somehow or show us some mercy.

Well I got a lot off my chest. I felt like a d*** coming in here and just saying "lol, I quit Ness since he sucks" since I love the Ness mains and I felt everybody deserved an explanation. I've been a Ness main for over two years since Brawl's release, we've all been through good and bad times and we had a lot of memorable experiences with each other. I'll still be around here to socialize and give help to anybody who needs it since I do know Ness extremely well. I'll also still be using Ness when I face any Lucas players (sorry, I kinda hate Ness dittoes) and if Ness happens to drop to low tier I'll use him for low tier tournaments.

That's all I need to say. My best advice for Ness mains brave enough to stick with him is to master his aggressive game and his PKT game, these are his greatest strengths imo. Also always be aware of Ness' two greatest weaknesses: his gimpable recovery and his grab release issues. Learn to DI well always, use your dj wisely, and don't get grabbed!

So who do you main now?

 

[Dajayman]

I'm going to be maining and secondarying .

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yoshi is the only character in the game who (aside from chaingrabs) has a true 50-60% damage combo on the whole cast

AC'd Dair > GC'd Bair > Jab 1 > JC'd Down B

 

[Dajayman]

A lot of characters have great followup games though, this is Brawl so I don't expect characters to have combo abilty. I at least prefer a character with good followup game, which is the bext nest thing to combos. I like playing aggressive, which is why I stuck to Ness for so long.

In reality I'd prefer playing 64 over Brawl, but Brawl is obviously 1,000x more popular.

 

[Z'zgashi]

Yoshi has true combos out of bair at even 300%+. It has 5 hits (the first 4 with a set 17ish frames of hitstun, the last hits far but doesn't kill) and ground cancles with zero lag where we can jab, usmash, down b, dsmash, DJ uair, DJ nair, and (at low percent) fsmash before their lag ends. Problem is it's knockback isnt set so it can be DI'd and we need to predict it, we'll always have enough frames to hit with though :D

 

[Chuee]

Dajay's maining TL now?
Yay, now when I play him we can have more timeouts :3

 

[Dajayman]

My hatred for Lucas will never fade, which is why I still use Ness to beat down that Ness wannabe.

 

[BluePSI]

Hi people I talk to from time to time :D

 

[Z'zgashi]

hai blue

 

[BluePSI]

What have I missed?

 

[Z'zgashi]

basically just the equivalent of 4 christmases

 

[Dajayman]

Lies! The only thing that could equal 4 Christmases is Yink's presents, which she hasn't done yet and ironically I shouldn't even recieve one now since I quit Ness.

 

[_clinton]

Hi people, just coming into this thread to say hello, and good-bye (teleports)

 

[Eagleye893]

DAJAY!!!! Tell me when the next tourney is. I'm gonna try as hard as possible to make it. This winter has been a ***** in terms of important events happening during the weekend. March is gonna be relatively similar, based on a couple of things (our school is holding a tournament/LAN party and I was one of the people who insisted on it happening; also, a dance that I doubt I'll go to.)

 

[Dajayman]

EoL is tomorrow, but you said you can't make that.
Kirk is having a smashfest on Feb. 18-19, you better make that!!!

That's it for upcoming events I know about. Nothing really planned for March, we won't be really hosting anything else since I know IL plans on going to a MI tourament sometime in March.

 

[Eagleye893]

I work fridays now, so i can't make the smashfest without making my bosses even more angry...

 

[Dajayman]

Kirk's smashfests start on Friday afternoons and last until Caturday morning. So you just come after work, your work johns won't work this time. ;3

 

[Eagleye893]

Kirk's smashfests start on Friday afternoons and last until Caturday morning. So you just come after work, your work johns won't work this time. ;3

School from 7am-3:30PM, then work from 4:30 till 10:00 PM.........

 

[Dajayman]

People come later than 10:00 all the time. No johning out!!!

 

[BluePSI]

4 christmases? thats like... 4 times more not loid!

 

[Man of Popsicle]

urk, i think ive played smash about an hour total in the past 4 months, i just cant be bothered to fix my wii. i miss you all though <3
anyways i can drive now so maybe i can go see vice or something (his college is like 20 minutes from my house lol) or go to a tournament or summat (and place last)

 

[milesg2g]

I'm going to be maining and secondarying .

It's funny, you've always striked me as a Olimar main lol

 

[_clinton]

I think Dajay should have just gone with D3.