Need an argument for banning items.

[jamlosingthegame]

My school is holding video game tournaments, one of them being Brawl. They decided to put in items on Low. Me and a couple others wanted them off, so we went to the guy who was heading it. He said we needed something that says items are generally off. We gave him a list of general rules, but just in case, I might need some sort of valid argument. I've asked this question before and tried looking for threads on this (maybe I'm not looking hard enough?). So far, all I've gotten was that items do show a players true skill. Anything else to add? Examples would help. If needed, direct me to a thread that I might have missed about this and lock/close/delete this topic. Thanks.

 

[pockyD]

items are better anyway

 

[Strong Badam]

if you're playing brawl you might as well have items on

 

[Igcoris]

items are better anyway

my thoughts exactly

 

[jamlosingthegame]

...These aren't helping.

 

[Igcoris]

seriously, though, items come through luck and chance. deciding factors of a game shouldn't come through luck and chance if both players can't help it.

 

[Daniel_the_Seraph]

if you're playing brawl you might as well have items on

This, basically.

 

[Tyson651]

if u seriously cant think of ur own reason then u might as well play with it on.

items just make the game more random and based on luck rather than skill. if this tourney is based on skill moreover casual party fun then its obvious that items should be turned off.

example: u pick up a pokeball and so does the enemy, he spawns a goldeen and u spawn a lugia or w/e broken pokemon there are. hes better than u as a player but u win just cause u're lucky ur pokemon *****.

not very fair is it.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Finally some reasonable responses. I guess I can also say the same thing he did for the Modern Warfare 2 tourney. He turned off killstreaks and perks because he wanted fair games to be based on skill. Thanks. If anyone else has something to add, post it.

 

[lordvaati]

reach for the middle-items are on, but only competitive items. Brawl is balanced enough that they had a competitive item ruleset now. an Item match ain't gonna kill ya, son.

 

[Ballistics]

interestingly enough, items are not allowed in melee because of their tendency to randomly explode

Im not sure if they do that in brawl too

 

[jamlosingthegame]

reach for the middle-items are on, but only competitive items. Brawl is balanced enough that they had a competitive item ruleset now. an Item match ain't gonna kill ya, son.

Where would this competitve item ruleset be? Just in case they won't completely ban items.

 

[Stev]

If you need to argue the randomness thing, they spawn randomly, meaning that there's a chance that all the good items could spawn in front of one player, giving him a distinct advantage over the other player.

 

[Reaver197]

Show them this vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EFx0-Zkn54

 

[Charlesz]

Lol strongbad.

 

[Lucario1337]

Items mess up your recovery and make a unfair advantage for fast charaters. Example sonic would be the one most likely to finish dragoon. And a smart bomb could appear right in the spot your trying to recover on.

 

[holypho]

Items mess up your recovery and make a unfair advantage for fast charaters. Example sonic would be the one most likely to finish dragoon. And a smart bomb could appear right in the spot your trying to recover on.

whats wrong with making sonic better in matches?!?!? I like items.... so im kinda biased
when it comes to this lol....

 

[lordvaati]

Where would this competitve item ruleset be? Just in case they won't completely ban items.

here ya go.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=164675[

 

[stingers]

items are awesome. leave them on lol

 

[Rain(ame)]

I gotta be honest...I generally enjoy Brawl more when items are on.

To validate your case, though, you should definitely go with the "keeping it based upon skill" line of reasoning. You have the right idea. Also show him videos of Ally vs. M2K in finals or NL vs. M2K. You get the point. Show him that when money is on the line...they don't mess around with items. Show him the Pound 4 AND Genesis ruleset. As well as the Apex ruleset and the upcoming Apex 2010 ruleset.

He needs to see that you're not bsing him and that from SSB onward, the items conclusively remain off.

 

[jamlosingthegame]

Thanks everyone. And to be honest, items on/off depend on how I'm playing. Since this is a tournament which is basically all skill-based, I generally want items off. But for fun (or what like to cal Super Happy Awesome Fun) I do all items on, Random, and random stage. But right now I'm more focused on the competitive with this tourney. Keep this stuff coming (tourney's tomorrow >_>, and I should have posted this sooner...).

 

[pockyD]

items require "skill" - just a slightly different and more varied set of skills

 

[lordvaati]

items require "skill" - just a slightly different and more varied set of skills

QFT, man.

I mean, Competitive Pokemon got items top work- why not Smash?

 

[S l o X]

because Smash isn't pokemon.

Oh and if there is no money on the line you should definitely do items on. It's Brawl . . . there is no competitive aspect to it. (Plank with MK all day baby)

(just kidding guys, don't flame me)