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naked man killed by police while eating another naked man's face off

Luigitoilet

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if there wasn't a war on drugs, bath salts (and "plant food" and any other number of designer drugs) wouldn't exist. Thousands of people are in jail for cannabis possession/distribution meanwhile people are constantly synthesizing new risky chemicals to loop around the law and **** people up way worse than most illegalized drugs, i.e. they make you eat a person's ****ing face off

also, super LSD is a very misleading term as it is a completely different type of drug

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone
 

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I was gonna post this story myself, but seeing as I'm four days late...

Anyway, I don't know if LSD and bath salts are two different things with differing effects, or if they're one in the same, but what can be said is that whatever the guy was on must be powerful stuff if one shot didn't do a damn thing to him. It's a crazy world we live in. As for the victim, story goes that he was apparently a friend (at least an acquaintance) of the attacker, and they both apparently were tripping out on whatever it was (LSD, bath salts, I don't know), and got into some kind of fight resulting in the cannibalism attack that occurred. 80% of the guys face, including his eyes and nose were literally eaten, I can't imagine nor do I want to imagine that kind of barbaric imagery.

Whatever actually happened that day, it doesn't take away the fact that the idea of a naked man tripping on strong drugs eating the face of another man, as if he were a zombie (and not those slow-moving zombies, but the angry "28 Days Later" zombies) is a pretty scary thought. Also, there was a story before that of a naked man on what was said to be on LSD having been hit by a car. Covered in blood, he showed no signs of pain, and when police and ambulances arrived to help him, he displayed super human-like strength, and it required at least six men to restrain this one guy.

Was it right for the cops to gun down the face eater? Goodness knows I can't come up with an answer for that, though if I were in the victims shoes, I'd want them to do whatever it took to take him off me, even if it means lethal force... then I'd have them shoot me too, if I knew 80% of my face was gone, AND I had to live the rest of my life blind.

tl;dr: What a crazy world. Don't do drugs, kids.
 

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stop spreading gross misinformation and lies about LSD. you sound like an elementary school student or a DARE officer. or hell, you could be a journalist with that type of sensationalist hearsay reporting.
 

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Apparently bath salts do not show up in any typical drug test, so even once the results come in we won't be sure if they played a part.

and yeah, now I do believe the cop had right to shoot...but still, to be hailed as a "hero"? that's going a little far.
He saved the victim's life. Sounds like a hero to me.
 

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In other news, some guy disemboweled himself and threw parts of his intestines and skin at police officers.

wat
 

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stop spreading gross misinformation and lies about LSD. you sound like an elementary school student or a DARE officer. or hell, you could be a journalist with that type of sensationalist hearsay reporting.
I guess when I make it clear that I don't know or am unsure, that doesn't count in your world. Oh, and insulting people the way you do doesn't necessarily make you look any better either.
He saved the victim's life. Sounds like a hero to me.
Goodness knows I'd be thankful... and then tell him to shoot me in the head and put me out of my misery.
In other news, some guy disemboweled himself and threw parts of his intestines and skin at police officers.

wat
I'll hazard a guess he didn't get very far afterwards, considering he disemboweled himself.
 

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He saved the victim's life. Sounds like a hero to me.
Yeah, I'm sure the homeless guy is very thankful to have no face above the jaw. I'm certain all the cop did was prolong this guy's suffering before his eventual death. Disfigurement on the level seen here is not sustainable on a (most likely) drug addicted homeless person's annual budget. It requires constant medical oversight and a completely super-healthy diet, one of those things is not even available to most Americans, let alone homeless people..

I get where you're coming from, but I think it's from a kinda simplistic and reductive viewpoint. To me a "hero" implies some sense of self-risk or self-sacrifice, where the hero puts himself on the line for someone else. Shooting some guy with a gun after he ate 2/3s of a guy's head off just doesn't strike me as a proverbial heroic action even if he did technically "save his life"

I guess when I make it clear that I don't know or am unsure, that doesn't count in your world. Oh, and insulting people the way you do doesn't necessarily make you look any better either.
I mean, I know I'm crass, but come on. why talk at length about something you know nothing about? I don't go into the GOP debt limit thread and start throwing misinformed ideas about country debt and world economics around, because I realize that I know nothing about any of that stuff and as such my opinion on those things of which i have no knowledge of really isn't worth all that much.
 

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I mean, I know I'm crass, but come on. why talk at length about something you know nothing about? I don't go into the GOP debt limit thread and start throwing misinformed ideas about country debt and world economics around, because I realize that I know nothing about any of that stuff and as such my opinion on those things of which i have no knowledge of really isn't worth all that much.
That's fine and all, but don't talk down on people or insult them. If you have anything to correct them on, then do so and give some actual info, rather than just say they're giving misinformation without actually stating what the misinformation was.
 

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I was gonna post this story myself, but seeing as I'm four days late...

Anyway, I don't know if LSD and bath salts are two different things with differing effects, or if they're one in the same, but what can be said is that whatever the guy was on must be powerful stuff if one shot didn't do a damn thing to him. It's a crazy world we live in. As for the victim, story goes that he was apparently a friend (at least an acquaintance) of the attacker, and they both apparently were tripping out on whatever it was (LSD, bath salts, I don't know), and got into some kind of fight resulting in the cannibalism attack that occurred. 80% of the guys face, including his eyes and nose were literally eaten, I can't imagine nor do I want to imagine that kind of barbaric imagery.

I am not sure if he knew the guy in particular but security cameras posted outside the newspaper building that is nearby showed the "zombie" guy as walking up to the victim (who was resting under the bridge-structure), pulled him out from under the shadow, started punching him, and then took off the mans pants before he sat down on him and began gorging on his face.

But they were both homeless so maybe they knew each other, who knows.

I assume people are saying that the police officer is a hero because he prevented the guy from attacking another person. He helped protect innocent bystanders by taking down the guy. However, I wouldn't call him a hero for killing the guy and saving the mans life. I would personally rather be dead than have to live with that **** for years. Especially if I was in that mans shoes. I wouldn't be surprise if this victim kills himself a few years after this incident. (I hope he doesn't though).
 

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vented the guy from attacking another person. He helped protect innocent bystanders by taking down the guy. However, I wouldn't call him a hero for killing the guy and saving the mans life. I would personally rather be dead than have to live with that **** for years. Especially if I was in that mans shoes. I wouldn't be surprise if this victim kills himself a few years after this incident. (I hope he doesn't though).
It is never a bad thing to save someone else. I'd call anyone who puts himself in danger to save another person a hero. If the now saved victim doesn't like it then he can just kill himself. But at least the guy has been give the CHOICE TO CHOOSE whether he wants to live or die now.
 

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The guy isn't going to have to kill himself. He's going to most likely die from many many infections and complications in the first week he's out of the hospital if he even makes it that long. Implying the guy simply "has a choice" to live or die is simplifying things. Do you think a homeless man is going to get any semblance of quality surgery and months of quality medical care under the US' healthcare plan? He MIGHT get something extra because of the high profile nature of the case but even that is wishful thinking IMO.

I'm not saying the cop was in the wrong (though initially I was), I'm just saying he's being lifted up onto a pedestal for some reason. He didn't put himself in danger. He shot a preoccupied guy with a gun from a distance. There's not a whole lot of risk to self in that scenario. I would say that the cop did his job and that in this specific scenario that wasn't exactly "heroic". It's kind of what should be expected of the people we pay taxes to to protect us.
 

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That's fine and all, but don't talk down on people or insult them. If you have anything to correct them on, then do so and give some actual info, rather than just say they're giving misinformation without actually stating what the misinformation was.
this is what the guy was on

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxypyrovalerone

it's a psychoactive stimulant. the term "bath salts" is meaningless. "Bath salts" and "plant food" are legal runarounds that designer drug makers use to sell MPVD (often mixed with other unsavory chemicals) legally. Nobody buys these bath salts to put in their bathtub, because they aren't bath salts, they're drugs. MPVD is very slowly being phased out of legality but not like that matters much because it's been outright banned in Florida for about 2 years now.

The effects of MPVD are more akin to cocaine, meth and PCP than to LSD. It's scarily addictive and quickly encourages fiend behavior.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LSD

LSD is a psychedelic that has been used in beneficial medical scenarios such as treatment for emotional therapy, alcoholism, and cluster headaches. It's also not the stimulant hyperactive monster that MPVD and other related drugs are. I can't really go on in detail about this without breaking the rules but simply put if LSD caused this guy to eat another guy's face, that would be a ****ing miracle. High doses of LSD (to the point where a person's face seems like a great thing to eat) will most likely have you too brained out to even walk around actively, let alone murder someone with your bare hands or whatever.
 

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The guy isn't going to have to kill himself. He's going to most likely die from many many infections and complications in the first week he's out of the hospital if he even makes it that long. Implying the guy simply "has a choice" to live or die is simplifying things. Do you think a homeless man is going to get any semblance of quality surgery and months of quality medical care under the US' healthcare plan? He MIGHT get something extra because of the high profile nature of the case but even that is wishful thinking IMO.
Well, that much is true, and I honestly wouldn't imagine the man to survive, choice or otherwise. I guess when we imply choice, we say it if we had been in the situation while in our current financial status (e.g. not homeless). Still, I can see where you're going.
I'm not saying the cop was in the wrong (though initially I was), I'm just saying he's being lifted up onto a pedestal for some reason. He didn't put himself in danger. He shot a preoccupied guy with a gun from a distance. There's not a whole lot of risk to self in that scenario. I would say that the cop did his job and that in this specific scenario that wasn't exactly "heroic". It's kind of what should be expected of the people we pay taxes to to protect us.
Some people have different viewpoints of what makes a hero. While I won't go as far to say the cop was a "hero" by the strictest definition of the term, I will agree he was doing his job. Considering one bullet had no effect on the guy, I can only imagine how effective or ineffective a taser would have been. Who knows?
 

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Its unfortunate that the victim died. But with the attacker dead as well, at least the guy can't harm anyone else.
Are you talking about the cannibal guy or the guy getting eaten? Last I heard the victim is still alive. Either way, care to link to this article?
Oh. Apologies, I meant that Eugene (the cannibal guy) was shot and killed no less than 1 minute after the cop had arrived. I thought it was something relevant I should mention with this hero talk. And I don't remember which article it was but I remember I read it at the Huffington Post. That's possibly the worst thing you can do. Make a statement like that and not back it up with a source. LOL, sorry.
 

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Oh. Apologies, I meant that Eugene (the cannibal guy) was shot and killed no less than 1 minute after the cop had arrived. I thought it was something relevant I should mention with this hero talk. And I don't remember which article it was but I remember I read it at the Huffington Post. That's possibly the worst thing you can do. Make a statement like that and not back it up with a source. LOL, sorry.
Eh, not a fan of the huffington post. Even if it was within a minute, if my face was being eaten, I would want the cops to deal with the crazy guy as fast as possible.
 

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Sincerely, I agree.

It would be better if the police officer would just pull him away from the victim and put him cuffs than to absurdly shoot him in the head "10 times or so" after he asked him to stop, as if he thinks that would work on a psychotic citizen.

If the guy was scared to go near him, I can understand why he did shoot him.
 

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If anyone's curious, this event happened to take place in view of Miami Herald security cameras. The attack lasted 18 minutes before the cop arrived. yeesh

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...o-miami-rudy-eugene-18-minutes_n_1555653.html

while the camera is extremely zoomed out for the duration of the attack, it's still pretty disturbing, and eventually the camera does zoom in and you see both of the guy's legs on the ground after they're dead/incapacitated.

mostly it's just horrible to imagine...18 minutes.
 

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I can't think of any other way to handle the situation tbh. Pulling the guy off while he's on someone's face doesn't seem like a good idea. Pepper spray sounds risky unless the guys facing the cop and apparently he wasn't; and tazering the guy while he's on the victim would be a problem too. I've read some posts about the victim preferring death now that his face has been mutilated, but I doubt he'd be fine with nobody saving him.

If the victim had a gun he could have really saved face in this scenario
...Was that a joke?
 

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yo i dont care what you say homie, sum dude is eatin a mans face and bein at gunpoint aint a compellin enuff reason to stop eatin the dudes face that sounds like some ****in zombie **** to me

shoot the brain til it stops eatin thats the thing to do
 

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You guys might want to take a look at this:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120627/US.Face.Chewing.Attack/?cid=hero_media

MIAMI — Authorities may never know why a Florida man viciously attacked and chewed on the face of an older homeless man in Miami last month after lab tests failed to find components of "bath salts" in the system of the assailant, who was killed by police.

The tests detected only marijuana in the system of the attacker, the medical examiner said Wednesday, ruling out other street drugs that some had speculated 31-year-old Rudy Eugene might have taken.

An expert on toxicology testing said marijuana alone wasn't likely to cause behavior as strange as Eugene's.

"The problem today is that there is an almost an infinite number of chemical substances out there that can trigger unusual behavior," said Dr. Bruce Goldberger, Professor and Director of Toxicology at the University of Florida.

Goldberger said the medical examiner's office in Miami is known for doing thorough work and he's confident they and the independent lab covered as much ground as possible. But it's nearly impossible for toxicology testing to keep pace with new formulations of synthetic drugs.

"There are many of these synthetic drugs that we currently don't have the methodology to test on, and that is not the fault of the toxicology lab. The challenge today for the toxicology lab is to stay on top of these new chemicals and develop methodologies for them, but it's very difficult and very expensive." Goldberger said. "There is no one test or combination of tests that can detect every possible substance out there."

There has been much speculation about what drugs, if any, would lead to the bizarre behavior authorities said Eugene exhibited before and during the attack that left the other man horribly disfigured. A Miami police union official had suggested that Eugene, who was shot and killed by an officer during the attack, was probably under the influence of bath salts.

The Miami-Dade County Medical Examiner said in a news release that the toxicology detected marijuana, but it didn't find any other street drugs, alcohol or prescription drugs. Eugene also tested negative for adulterants commonly mixed with street drugs.

The department ruled out the most common components found in so-called bath salts, which mimic the effects of cocaine or methamphetamine and have been associated with bizarre crimes in recent months. An outside forensic toxicology lab, which took a second look at the results, also confirmed the absence of bath salts, synthetic marijuana and LSD.

Messages left with the medical examiner's office for comment were not immediately returned.

The Drug Enforcement Administration last year temporarily outlawed the possession and sale of three synthetic stimulants sometimes packaged as "bath salts." Several states have also moved to ban the drugs, often sold on the Internet and in head shops and other retail outlets. The bans don't affect the kinds of bath salts added to tubs for their fragrance and cosmetic benefits.

An addiction expert said she wouldn't rule out marijuana causing the agitation.

"It could have been the strain of marijuana that increases the dopamine in the brain, such as sativa," said Dr. Patricia Junquera, assistant professor at the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine.

There are two strains of marijuana called sativa and indica. The sativa increases dopamine and gives you energy while decreasing pain threshold. Indica is a "sleepy high," she explained.

"People don't really know what the amount of either is in each little packet of marijuana," she explained. "And we can't differentiate between the two in the blood, much less in a dead person."

She also suggested that if Eugene had a mental disorder, "the marijuana could have increased even further the dopamine levels and aggravated the situation. So that can't be ruled out."

It's not clear what led to the May 26 attack on Ronald Poppo, a 65-year-old homeless man. Eugene's friends and family have said he was religious, not violent and that he didn't drink or do drugs harder than marijuana.

"There's no answer for it, not really," Eugene's younger brother, Marckenson Charles, said in an interview. "Anybody who knew him knows this wasn't the person we knew him to be. Whatever triggered him, there is no answer for this."

Surveillance video from a nearby building shows Eugene stripping Poppo and pummeling him, before appearing to hunch over and lie on top of him. The police officer who shot Eugene to death said he growled at the officer when he told him to stop.

Charles, Eugene's brother, said the family does not plan to pursue any legal action against the police for shooting Eugene.

"They used the force they felt was necessary, even if we don't agree with that," he said.

He said Eugene has been buried.

Shortly before the attack, a person driving on the MacArthur Causeway told a 911 dispatcher a "completely naked man" was on top of one of the light poles on the causeway and "acting like Tarzan." Still, police have said little about what may prompted Eugene to attack Poppo.

Poppo has undergone several surgeries and remains hospitalized. His left eye was removed, but doctors said earlier this month they were trying to find a way to restore vision in his right eye. He will need more surgeries before he can explore the options for reconstructing his face, doctors have said. A message left with the hospital was not immediately returned.

Poppo's family has said it had no contact with him for more than 30 years and thought he was dead.

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Associated Press writer Jennifer Kay contributed to this report.
 

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I think they were probably making out but the police was shocked and triggered by mistakes.
 
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