SyMag
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I've done some analyzing of Ness over the past couple days, and I gotta say, my first impressions of him are really good. He seems to have been buffed in a couple ways, which he needed pretty badly coming in from Brawl. So let me break it down a bit. I won't be talking about advanced techniques like double jump cancels or wavebouncing, as I don't know which, if any, of these techniques will be present in the game; rather, I'll talk about the basics--special moves, ground and aerials, Smash moves. I haven't seen any other sources talking about this stuff; again, these are completely my first impressions. So on that note, ladies and gentlemen of Smashboards, I offer to you, for your educational and viewing pleasure, a complete (or as complete as I can get from the few resources at this point) analysis of one of the original 12 veterans, Ness:
SPECIAL MOVES: By this I'm talking about Ness's B moves. PK Fire still is like Brawl, where enemies hit by the move will be trapped in a column of fire, but will be able to break out of it by DI-ing out. This move has the potential to do about 30% damage if the enemy remains in the fire for the entire duration of the move--roughly two seconds.
PK Thunder actually has the potential to KO enemies at around 100%--and this is just the bolt alone. I'm not sure how much damage it does because I didn't really see it used too often. PK Jibaku, on the other hand (PK Thunder2 as some of you call it), is VERY strong. It will also do about 30% damage, and as in Brawl it will have the capability to KO opponents at higher percentages, though how low kill percentage is for this move is unknown. The distance Ness receives from this move is also very good, closer to PM's rate than Brawl's rate.
Finally, PSI Magnet is the same as in Brawl, though the actual magnet itself forms a larger circumference than it did in Brawl and PM. It is unknown whether or not this move will have a hitbox like it does in PM, how much it will damage opponents, or how much damage will be healed when a projectile is absorbed.
As far as PK Flash goes, I didn't see it being used at all; the few times I saw it used, the player pressed B and let go right away, so I can't report on how fast and how far PK Flash will travel or how much damage it will do.
BASIC/TILT MOVES: Here I'll talk more on Ness's A moves. So I'll start with his jab. It's pretty much the same from Brawl, and will do about 10% damage if all three jabs are successfully landed. His dash attack will also be within this range, about 10-15% damage (about the same as Brawl), and will be like in Brawl and PM where a ball of energy appears in front of Ness as he performs the attack.
Now for his ground tilts. namely his Side- and Up-tilts, since I haven't seen much Down-tilt action from him. I'll start with the Side-tilt by saying that, while I don't know if the move can be angled like it can in Brawl and PM, it has the capability of dealing about 15% damage to an opponent--a slight but noticeable buff for this move; it is also likely to have KO potential at higher percentages as in Brawl and PM, though this is undetermined at this point. As for his Up-tilt, this move has been altered slightly from Brawl, with the addition of a ball of energy emerging from Ness's hands, similar to his dash attack. By itself, it will do around 10% damage, with an average amount of knockback.
AERIAL MOVES: Ness's aerial moveset has always been, more or less, middle of the road. Every character has five aerial attacks: four that use A and a tilt, and A by itself. I didn't get a chance to see his B-air or U-air being used, but I can at least talk a little bit about the other three aerials, all of which have been slightly modified coming into Sm4sh 3DS.
Ness's N-air, in Brawl, was decent, receiving a slight buff in PM. Here in Sm4sh 3DS, the move has changed slightly. Ness's arms and hands now extend slightly farther out, in the same way this B-air extends his legs and feet, to create a larger hitbox. It is unknown at this time how much damage this move will do, but the Brawl variant did around 10% damage, so I'm estimating it will be somewhere around here.
His F-air has changed slightly also. Whereas in Brawl he leapt outward with his hands extended and a ball of energy protruding from them, here Ness now jumps forward and uses only one hand, but still with a ball of energy protruding outward. First glances seem to point to the fact that the range for this move has been decreased slightly from Brawl. Possible damage rates for this move are unknown.
That brings us to his D-air, historically one of Ness's better options in the air. Like his other aerial moves mentioned here, this move also creates a ball of energy, while still retaining the slight lag between pressing the buttons and Ness performing the move that existed in Brawl. What consequences this will have on the move are unclear, and whether or not this will change the fact that the move creates a Meteor Smash is not yet known. Damage potential for this move is also unknown.
SMASH MOVES: Now we get to the fun part of the analysis. Ness's strongest smash moves is undoubtedly his Side-smash, with his yo-yo typically being used for creating distance or denying someone to return to the stage after being knocked off.
Let's start with his Side-smash--the baseball bat. In Brawl this move was rather slow, and in PM it was sped up slightly. In Sm4sh 3DS, the bat comes out at a speed that's somewhere between these two, though I feel it's slightly closer to PM's execution speed than Brawl's. When uncharged, this move will do about 25-30%, meaning that fully charged, this move has the potential to do some serious damage, not to mention the KO potential of this move.
His Up- and Down-smashes--those involving the yo-yo--feel more or less the same, with Down-smash being nerfed (I'll get to that in a sec). Ness's Up-smash is nowhere near as fast as it is in PM; it's closer to how it was in Brawl, though perhaps a tad faster. When executed without being charged, the damage will be around 15%, with average knockback at low percentages.
It's Ness's Down-smash, though, where a nerf can be found. In Brawl and PM, it didn't matter where an opponent was located; if the yo-yo hit, they would receive roughly the same amount of damage and suffer knockback. This is no longer the case in Sm4sh 3DS. If you are located closer to Ness and not at the farthest extent of the yo-yo, damage will be relatively low (1-5% uncharged), and there will be virtually no knockback. When located at the tip of the hitbox, though, the damage will be around 10-15% uncharged, with some knockback. This will make edge guarding interesting to analyze, seeing how this change-up will alter the way Ness can prevent opponents from getting back onto the stage. Oh, and the yo-yo comes out a little faster than it did in Brawl.
GRABS/THROWS: This is an area I'd love to talk about, as Ness is known for his incredibly fast grabs and strong throws. However, I saw absolutely no grabs or throws made.
So, there you have it. Like I said in the beginning, I am really liking what I'm seeing so far, and Ness's capabilities in the Smash Bros. community have only been buffed along with his powers. I still want to try new characters like Greninja and Mega Man, but I think it's safe to say that you'll be seeing a lot more fire in the not-too-distant future.
Here are some clips I found online that highlight some of the Ness gameplay I watched during some of the live streams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYmgqK7NgM (the first 25 seconds or so before the AI derps)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6C7q99k5-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u3WeHzSe2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuGEp6vx6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b6mViKUKX4
SPECIAL MOVES: By this I'm talking about Ness's B moves. PK Fire still is like Brawl, where enemies hit by the move will be trapped in a column of fire, but will be able to break out of it by DI-ing out. This move has the potential to do about 30% damage if the enemy remains in the fire for the entire duration of the move--roughly two seconds.
PK Thunder actually has the potential to KO enemies at around 100%--and this is just the bolt alone. I'm not sure how much damage it does because I didn't really see it used too often. PK Jibaku, on the other hand (PK Thunder2 as some of you call it), is VERY strong. It will also do about 30% damage, and as in Brawl it will have the capability to KO opponents at higher percentages, though how low kill percentage is for this move is unknown. The distance Ness receives from this move is also very good, closer to PM's rate than Brawl's rate.
Finally, PSI Magnet is the same as in Brawl, though the actual magnet itself forms a larger circumference than it did in Brawl and PM. It is unknown whether or not this move will have a hitbox like it does in PM, how much it will damage opponents, or how much damage will be healed when a projectile is absorbed.
As far as PK Flash goes, I didn't see it being used at all; the few times I saw it used, the player pressed B and let go right away, so I can't report on how fast and how far PK Flash will travel or how much damage it will do.
BASIC/TILT MOVES: Here I'll talk more on Ness's A moves. So I'll start with his jab. It's pretty much the same from Brawl, and will do about 10% damage if all three jabs are successfully landed. His dash attack will also be within this range, about 10-15% damage (about the same as Brawl), and will be like in Brawl and PM where a ball of energy appears in front of Ness as he performs the attack.
Now for his ground tilts. namely his Side- and Up-tilts, since I haven't seen much Down-tilt action from him. I'll start with the Side-tilt by saying that, while I don't know if the move can be angled like it can in Brawl and PM, it has the capability of dealing about 15% damage to an opponent--a slight but noticeable buff for this move; it is also likely to have KO potential at higher percentages as in Brawl and PM, though this is undetermined at this point. As for his Up-tilt, this move has been altered slightly from Brawl, with the addition of a ball of energy emerging from Ness's hands, similar to his dash attack. By itself, it will do around 10% damage, with an average amount of knockback.
AERIAL MOVES: Ness's aerial moveset has always been, more or less, middle of the road. Every character has five aerial attacks: four that use A and a tilt, and A by itself. I didn't get a chance to see his B-air or U-air being used, but I can at least talk a little bit about the other three aerials, all of which have been slightly modified coming into Sm4sh 3DS.
Ness's N-air, in Brawl, was decent, receiving a slight buff in PM. Here in Sm4sh 3DS, the move has changed slightly. Ness's arms and hands now extend slightly farther out, in the same way this B-air extends his legs and feet, to create a larger hitbox. It is unknown at this time how much damage this move will do, but the Brawl variant did around 10% damage, so I'm estimating it will be somewhere around here.
His F-air has changed slightly also. Whereas in Brawl he leapt outward with his hands extended and a ball of energy protruding from them, here Ness now jumps forward and uses only one hand, but still with a ball of energy protruding outward. First glances seem to point to the fact that the range for this move has been decreased slightly from Brawl. Possible damage rates for this move are unknown.
That brings us to his D-air, historically one of Ness's better options in the air. Like his other aerial moves mentioned here, this move also creates a ball of energy, while still retaining the slight lag between pressing the buttons and Ness performing the move that existed in Brawl. What consequences this will have on the move are unclear, and whether or not this will change the fact that the move creates a Meteor Smash is not yet known. Damage potential for this move is also unknown.
SMASH MOVES: Now we get to the fun part of the analysis. Ness's strongest smash moves is undoubtedly his Side-smash, with his yo-yo typically being used for creating distance or denying someone to return to the stage after being knocked off.
Let's start with his Side-smash--the baseball bat. In Brawl this move was rather slow, and in PM it was sped up slightly. In Sm4sh 3DS, the bat comes out at a speed that's somewhere between these two, though I feel it's slightly closer to PM's execution speed than Brawl's. When uncharged, this move will do about 25-30%, meaning that fully charged, this move has the potential to do some serious damage, not to mention the KO potential of this move.
His Up- and Down-smashes--those involving the yo-yo--feel more or less the same, with Down-smash being nerfed (I'll get to that in a sec). Ness's Up-smash is nowhere near as fast as it is in PM; it's closer to how it was in Brawl, though perhaps a tad faster. When executed without being charged, the damage will be around 15%, with average knockback at low percentages.
It's Ness's Down-smash, though, where a nerf can be found. In Brawl and PM, it didn't matter where an opponent was located; if the yo-yo hit, they would receive roughly the same amount of damage and suffer knockback. This is no longer the case in Sm4sh 3DS. If you are located closer to Ness and not at the farthest extent of the yo-yo, damage will be relatively low (1-5% uncharged), and there will be virtually no knockback. When located at the tip of the hitbox, though, the damage will be around 10-15% uncharged, with some knockback. This will make edge guarding interesting to analyze, seeing how this change-up will alter the way Ness can prevent opponents from getting back onto the stage. Oh, and the yo-yo comes out a little faster than it did in Brawl.
GRABS/THROWS: This is an area I'd love to talk about, as Ness is known for his incredibly fast grabs and strong throws. However, I saw absolutely no grabs or throws made.
So, there you have it. Like I said in the beginning, I am really liking what I'm seeing so far, and Ness's capabilities in the Smash Bros. community have only been buffed along with his powers. I still want to try new characters like Greninja and Mega Man, but I think it's safe to say that you'll be seeing a lot more fire in the not-too-distant future.
Here are some clips I found online that highlight some of the Ness gameplay I watched during some of the live streams:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXYmgqK7NgM (the first 25 seconds or so before the AI derps)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6C7q99k5-k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u3WeHzSe2U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAuGEp6vx6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b6mViKUKX4
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