My all third party representations guess

[volbound1700]

This is my guess how all the third parties will be represented in Brawl... it is just a guess. If you have read some of my responses to the threads in the discussion room, you will note that I believe that Sakurai has changed his mind definitely on the 2-3 characters only comment just like many ones and he used the word "tentatively" in it as well.

Square - Nintendo may have borrowed or may simply have just bought Geno and Mallows rights from Square. Square however has made its intentions to work more with Sony so don't expect a lot of representations

Geno - PC
Mallow - AT

Capcom

Megaman - PC, stage, maybe a few ATs with some bosses
Dr. Wiley - Boss in SSE

Konami

Snake - PC confirmed plus his confirmed AT grey wold and his stage
expect some more MGS ats or maybe even a second stage.

Simon Belmont - make it in as an AT only (some series may not have characters or stages)

SEGA

Sonic - PC
Sonic Stage - I believe there will be two
Tails or Knuckles - PC and AT (one will make it and one will be AT - both have a chance since both fit the brawl fill really well)
Shadow, Amy, Silver - ATs or cameos in videos in SSE
NiGHTS - AT
Robotnik - Boss SSE

Namco

Pac-Man - AT or PC
Pac-Man Stage? Possible

Hudson

Bomberman - PC
I dont think a stage will make it.

Midway

Possible MK character as an AT

EA

Possibly a stage from one of their sports games

As I said this is pure speculation and not based on any knowledge I have or even any backable theories. Feel free to add your own.

 

[Smile Guy]

Nintendo will not pay money just for a character to be an AT.

They may pay the rights for a whole franchise's characters/settings hence why characters like Gray Fox and Metal Gear REX can appear as cameos along with Snake. But you're not going to see Prince of Persia appear as a random cameo as it's just not worth the money for Nintendo.

Secondly, there will not be a second playable Sonic character. Sorry Sonic fans but it's just not fair on the other 3rd parties and I'd imagine that Sakurai would prefer the variety.

Finally, all 3rd parties with characters will have a stage as well.

 

[volbound1700]

Who says Nintendo will pay money for them... Nintendo already has contracts with almost all these companies listed above for games they are releasing on Wii. Not to mention there is a lot to gain for these companies by having representation in Brawl (it advertises them). Past games have had cameos from companies other then there own.

Why will third parties have stages as well? Where do you get your facts? Do you work for Nintendo?

 

[volbound1700]

EA - EA recently signed sport exclusive features on their Madden and Tiger Woods games with Wii and are making their games specially to work with Wii controllers

Hudson - Can you say Mario party series, Nintendo wouldn't have to try at all to get appearances from this company

Capcom - Negotiating Capcom exclusives on Wii

Midway - Released a special version of MK:Armageddon for Wii that is exclusive only for Wii

Konami - The company ironically already represented, is the hardest one simple by the fact that they work mainly with Sony and Playstation.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

I think it's very likly all 3rd party characters that appear will have a stage, every character in melee had a stage.

and since you say sonic will have 2 stages even, I don't think it would be fair to have 2 sonic stages and no bomberman stage, also don't say there isn't anything in his games to make a stage for bomberman, because it isn't true.

 

[volbound1700]

I think it's very likly all 3rd party characters that appear will have a stage, every character in melee had a stage.

and since you say sonic will have 2 stages even, I don't think it would be fair to have 2 sonic stages and no bomberman stage, also don't say there isn't anything in his games to make a stage for bomberman, because it isn't true.

Marth and Roy did not have a stage in Melee.

Also technically you have to consider that characters from series with more characters then stages also didn't have a stage. For example Ganon didn't really have a stage.

 

[volbound1700]

I think it's very likly all 3rd party characters that appear will have a stage, every character in melee had a stage.

and since you say sonic will have 2 stages even, I don't think it would be fair to have 2 sonic stages and no bomberman stage, also don't say there isn't anything in his games to make a stage for bomberman, because it isn't true.

Is it fair to have 6-7 Mario characters over the other series?

Plus it won't be your fairness to decide that issue but rather what Sakurai, Hudson, and the Brawl development team think is fair. Hudson could choose to have a stage that isn't from the Bomberman series as well.

The fact is, we have no idea what could happen. This game is not Melee... it is Brawl. Sonic's second stage could be an Olympic stage from a game that was a joint venture between Sonic and Mario.

 

[Rakath]

It rightly depends on how the third parties treat this. If they all react as easily as the creator of Metal Gear Solid, then any series can easily get in. This is why Capcom, Bandai-Namco, and Square are easier guesses than EA, Hudsun, or Midway. The former three easily and often make crossovers (Capcom Vs Series, Camcom x Namco, Itadaki Street) and the other three, while in with Nintendo, might not be keen on the crossovers.

I mean, depending on how many Third parties we might see Tails and Knuckles also in the Brawl roster. Sega and Nintendo seem pretty close now adays. They won't get in before adding from another company like Capcom or Bandai-Namco, but they'd get in before Nights or Shadow.

Marth and Roy were going to have a stage, but it wasn't finished.

 

[antimatter]

Is it fair to have 6-7 Mario characters over the other series?

Actually, yes, considering that Mario is the most important franchise for Nintendo.
Not having plenty of Mario characters would be like a Microsoft fighter not having plenty of Halo characters.

 

[Sabrewulf238]

Marth and Roy did not have a stage in Melee.

Also technically you have to consider that characters from series with more characters then stages also didn't have a stage. For example Ganon didn't really have a stage.

Wait let me rephrase it....

what I meant was Bomberman wouldn't have a stage for the bomberman series
but Ganon had stages that represented the series he came from.

Also The fire emblem series has a stage in brawl now and I strongly think every series will get a stage.

 

[Smile Guy]

All the while, it'd be a bit random to see an EA Sports stage in Super Smash Bros. Brawl as it would literally be a, y'know, actual real-life stadiu.

My point is that say we had four 3rd party characters, one from Konami, Sega, Capcom, and Treasure respectively... why would a Hudson character suddenly have an Assist Trophy or stage? I'm actually pretty flexible with non-Nintendo characters appearing in Brawl, but I don't think it would go down all too well in the Smash community.

 

[Zevox]

Marth and Roy did not have a stage in Melee.

One was being worked on, though, there simply wasn't time to finish it with how rushed Melee was. You'll notice every other series in Melee had at least two stages to its name, even smaller ones like F-Zero, Mother, or Yoshi. Given that was accomplished even though Melee was so rushed, I think its perfectly reasonable for all series in Brawl to have at least one stage, probably two.

Zevox

 

[Kriven]

Hudson did a crossover with Konami, both Snake and Shirobon (Bomberman) were in this game. Bomberman has also crossed paths with Wario. Just thought I should add that seeing as someone said something abotu Hudson not doing crossovers.

I think it's entirely possible for MGS and Sonic to get more representatives, but at the same time I feel it isn't. It's weird. But I have to say, your list is a little weird. EA stadiums? Sure EA is big, but I don't really think that one will happen. I'm also not too sure about Namco choosing Pac if they were in, sure Pac-Man is a HUGE videogame character, but Namco also has Tales of Symphonia (and it's respective Tales of seires) as well as Soulcalibur under their belt. Pac-Man wasn't in Capcom x Namco after all...

 

[volbound1700]

Hudson does Mario Party - a clear cross-over

 

[volbound1700]

All the while, it'd be a bit random to see an EA Sports stage in Super Smash Bros. Brawl as it would literally be a, y'know, actual real-life stadiu.

My point is that say we had four 3rd party characters, one from Konami, Sega, Capcom, and Treasure respectively... why would a Hudson character suddenly have an Assist Trophy or stage? I'm actually pretty flexible with non-Nintendo characters appearing in Brawl, but I don't think it would go down all too well in the Smash community.

True, but Mario and Sonic at the Olympic games has no problem doing that, and also they could just do a generic stadium (EA has generic stadiums you can load in their games). I think, Sakurai is going to put third parties that everyone wants to see. That is why Midway won't get in real Mortal Kombat characters other than maybe an AT and why we won't see Street Fighter, Tekken, etc. I don't think fighters from those games or super hero characters would go over very well with brawl.

As IGN put it, with the addition of Sonic and SEGA along with MGS and Snake, Smash Bros is now becoming the game for your characters to make cameos in it.

Also the Nintendo characters will still largely out-number brawl. I expect some more Nintendo series like Pikmin's Captain Olimer to make Brawl.

 

[Chaosblade77]

Geno - Probably the only square character that has any chance of even appearing in the game. You can't exactly call relations between Nintendo and Square good, but they are looking to patch things up after Square practically abandoned them for Sony with the launch of the Playstation.

Capcom

Megaman - I will be surprised not to see him in, really. He was a Nintendo exclusive for a very long time before going multiplatform, his history with Nintendo is massive and Capcom and Nintendo have always been on good terms.

Dr. Wiley - Doubtful, I figure a different Capcom character would get it. Not impossible... just really really unlikely.

Konami - I don't expect another Konami character. AT is unlikely, and I recall references to MSG having only one stage, as the creator of the series made it himself.

SEGA

Sonic Stage - At least one, I could definitely see two.
Tails or Knuckles - I really, really doubt any other Sega character will make PC, regardless of the terms Nintendo and Sega are on. Will explain after this.
Shadow, Amy, Silver - Stickers, at best.
NiGHTS - AT at best
Robotnik - Doubtful, but possible I suppose. Probably a sticker though.

Namco

Pac-Man - I disagree with PC. I do think Namco is probably the second most likely candidate for a third party character, only behind Capcom, but I don't think Pacman would be their choice. I have a lot of details on why.

First of all, Pacman is Namco's trademark character, this is why people expect him to get in as playable. The problem is, recent 3D Pacman games where his movesets would be forced to come from basically suck. Classic Pacman is Pacman, and that is basically it. To take the 3D Pacman and initiate a whole new moveset and have him based off of his worst games is disrespect to such a huge gaming icon, much more so than overlooking him as playable and adding someone else. I would love to see Pacman in Brawl as an AT, and even have a stage, but not playable.

Namco has many other reps to choose from, they have made many games on Nintendo consoles, including classics like Tales of Symphonia.

Hudson

Bomberman - Doubtful. Hudson is third in line for a character, in my opinion, but really that is stretching it. Will explain further soon.

Midway - Ha, made me laugh. XD

EA - HA! Now, seriously, you had to be joking XD


Now, the point I have been leading up to: Smash Bros is built to be a fighting game between Nintendo characters. To think Sakurai is going to go crazy with third party characters and add 6, 8, or 10 is just insane.

The reason Snake got in after being such a minor character for Nintendo is most likely due to the fact the rights were practically given to them. They probably paid next to nothing to obtain them, if anything at all. Your friend is begging you to put his character in the game, he is giving you the character, making the moveset and all, you just have to accept. That is basically how it happened.

As for others, Nintendo is looking at dishing out some cash, and probably a lot of it. Sega, at this point, is closer to Nintendo than the other companies, and Sonic was always the most likely third party rep after Snake. On top of how close the two companies are now, Sonic is appearing on Nintendo consoles far more than either of the other two for this generation, and only appeared on Nintendo last generation (well, there was Dreamcast but lol)

The last point to make is that because this is meant to be a game featuring the best of Nintendo, they are not going to put many lesser, non-Nintendo characters in it, or characters that simply made cameos (eg. Cloud). The third party characters that will be chosen, with the exception of Snake, will be characters that have done a lot for Nintendo, like Mega Man and even Sonic. They haven't really done anything for Nintendo, and Nintendo does not owe the favor of advertising that character/company. I expect 4 third party characters at most, but there will be some ATs and stages, and probably several stickers from closer companies like Sega as well.