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imo it's because he outranges and can edgeguard us fairly wellThese posts are almost making it sound like the MU is even.
I don't have a lot of experience of Lucas vs. G&W. Care to elaborate on why they rated this MU a -2 for us in the BBR?
meh, you played really good, but it seemed like you outplayed him by a lotHere is a current vid. To help out. I feel I've mastered the matchup. And our main weakness is that if the g&w gets the lead it is real hard for us to catch him. But it is the same for them as well. With good spacing and technical skill u don't have to worry about getting gimped by his bucket. His turtle can be a real problem but if u see his back is turned to u, u know he is most likely gonna do it. So just back away. We mainly just need to watch out for brinstar and rainbow cruise. BF is a killer too if he gets the lead. But I've learned how to turn the tables and make it a killer for them too on BF if I get the lead. Stage control is very important. On BF they try and gay us by camping the plateforms. Well if we get the lead gay them back by hiding under the platforms! lol. Singles is so gay haha. But that can be seen in the second match in the youtube vid below.
I'd really like to see you against vinnie in singles :/I mean with my new skills that is the only one I have been able to play. I'm reading him and doing my best not to put myself in bad situations. That's what smash is i guess. The only top level g&W i have played recently is vinnie but that was in dubs. :/. I'm handling myself well in those matches. It's not like there is nothing lucas can do.
He played Galeon at MLG and beat him. Other than that I don't think he's played any other Lucas'. He's teamed with PF before though.Yea we haven't played yet but are playing at apex. I'm confident I will do well. He feels the matchup is very uneven. I don't know what lucas players he has played tho. Prop PF since he knows him and thinks highly of him.
I probably shouldn't be posting when my matchup knowledge is so limited, but i'm bored on smashboards right now lol.-The bucket is kinda hard to deal with when you are recovering and need to cover a great vertical distance, because if he positions himself correctly, he can bucket pkt, and I'm guessing zap jump too (not sure, I just started zap jumping this week and haven't played my friends recently), and though you would still jump high, you would be filling his bucket.
Uair, and Up-B are safer options I THINK. I don't really know, I don't play this matchup often.
-His turtle can be sdi'ed and punished easily (Uair at least, don't know if any other aerial of us works well for this).
-If he fills the bucket, you should start spaming like there's no tomorrow, and it's a good moment to get the kill since he can't bucket-break with a full bucket. Don't be reckless though, because a bucket with 3 pkfires he kills at 65% with no DI, lets make that 80% with DI (approximation based on... nothing really, just the number that comes to my mind ._.). If there's a pkt in there, you might as well die at 65% with DI.
Are you SURE? Because Lucas's PK fire is pretty powerful. Falco's Lasers KO at 65%...So yours is probably way below that... I'd assume I TOTALLY could be wrong, i'm just making assumptions
-He can dthrow> dsmash before you can roll if you don't tech (I hope this is clear enough).
-His up-b has 2 vulnerable frames before grabbing the ledge, this is easily punished with a long-lasting hitbox (ejem, dsmash).
I didn't know both of these. Good to know
As I said, I don't have that much experience, so all I can give you is this general stuff. I'll contribute more if anything comes to my mind.
On my own questions about the matchup: Does his fsmash outrange or out prioritizes ours? What is a good way to kill? recomendations for the recovery?
I don't know about never, but I would probably use it with caution out of fear of getting punished.Seriously If I was playing a lucas i would probably never bucket outside of thunder off stage (And even then I probably wouldn't even do that i'd just stick with Uair and UpB windboxes.