Movement Problems

[JDavisR (NIX)]

So whenever I want to learn new movement techniques, mostly with falco but with any character in general, I start out by learning them in practice mode so I can perfect them. The problem is that whenever I can successfully do them in practice mode and I start training with an opponent that fights back, I completely ignore everything I learn and revert back to my old strategies without even knowing. Then if I want to use my new techniques, I focus only on them which causes me to lack in the other categories I was just doing well in. I was wondering if anyone has the same problem and/or has a solution/method to overcoming it, thanks.

 

[RazeriaN]

I am a relatively new smasher. It often happens to me, the solution i found was while training vs bots, mixing up the new technique with my old playstyle so it becomes part of my playstyle, rather than just trying to implement it as soon as i learn it.

 

[tauKhan]

Honestly you just need to play more and use the techniques while playing. I think you're describing a very common problem in learning new things: It takes much more time to learn to do things subconsciosly than consciously, and you want your movement to be as automatic as possible, so you don't have to focus on getting movement right. Focusing on the technique you want to use while playing will make you learn it faster, but what you need most is repetition.

 

[JDavisR (NIX)]

Thanks guys, I guess I'll just have to slowly but surely implement the techniques with practice and experience. I'll start facing some smash bots today, then get my friend to help me tomorrow and throughout the week

 

[Tails_Glados_Puff]

This is how I felt with wavedashing. At first, I could wavedash fine, but during gameplay, my wavedashes ultimately made me lose more, by wavedashing into a smash, grab, etc. ATs don't fix your problems at first, they add more. The problem is not wavedashing, or doing any other AT, it's knowing how to apply and use the knowledge to your advantage. Now, I flawlessly wavedash to my advantage as I've been playing lagless Melee for the pass 7 days. I Non-stop perfected my ATs, and use them without even thinking about it. It's instinct. I can no longer play a match without wavedashing.

In order to reach this goal, being able to perform it is step one. Step two is using it as often in your play as possible. You will slowly understand it's full use, when and where you should use it, etc. Knowing how is the easiest, and shortest step. Knowing why, when, and where is the difficult part. Repetition is key. It will become as simple and as instinct base as dem lasers you use. XD

 

[JDavisR (NIX)]

This is how I felt with wavedashing. At first, I could wavedash fine, but during gameplay, my wavedashes ultimately made me lose more, by wavedashing into a smash, grab, etc. ATs don't fix your problems at first, they add more. The problem is not wavedashing, or doing any other AT, it's knowing how to apply and use the knowledge to your advantage. Now, I flawlessly wavedash to my advantage as I've been playing lagless Melee for the pass 7 days. I Non-stop perfected my ATs, and use them without even thinking about it. It's instinct. I can no longer play a match without wavedashing.

In order to reach this goal, being able to perform it is step one. Step two is using it as often in your play as possible. You will slowly understand it's full use, when and where you should use it, etc. Knowing how is the easiest, and shortest step. Knowing why, when, and where is the difficult part. Repetition is key. It will become as simple and as instinct base as dem lasers you use. XD

I hope so, because spamming lasers is a specialty of mine lol jk

 

[Tails_Glados_Puff]

I hope so, because spamming lasers is a specialty of mine lol jk

What ATs are in question here?

 

[JDavisR (NIX)]

What ATs are in question here?

Right now its implementing wavedashing as something that will help me in battle, not just something to show off to others lol. I'm practicing right now actually

 

[Tails_Glados_Puff]

Right now its implementing wavedashing as something that will help me in battle, not just something to show off to others lol. I'm practicing right now actually

That's I've been doing, but I think I'm done with it. As in, extremely good at it even in battle.

 

[JDavisR (NIX)]

That's I've been doing, but I think I'm done with it. As in, extremely good at it even in battle.

I'm pretty good now with a day's practice. By the end of the weekend I should have it down pat

 

[T-R3X]

Tails had some good tips for when you're playing other people, but as for solo practice here's what I think:

Think about what you would use a wavedash for. A lot of beginning people can wavedash around, but what is it really used for? When I practice technical things I warm up by just dash-dancing and wave-dashing in random combinations because firstly and foremost wave-dashing is simply another way to move. Some sort of drill I might start with would be like dash dance back and forth once then wave-dash then repeat in the other direction, and so on and so forth. For characters who rely a lot on their dash game (Fox, Falcon, Marth) learning to use a wave-dash to cancel your run animation is pretty essential.

From there, wave-dashing has different uses for each character. IC's and Luigi use wave-dashing as essentially the PRIMARY form of motion. Someone like Captain Falcon may use it to make minor adjustments to spacing or quickly maneuver around the edge/platforms.

Some characters use wave-dashing as a setup, so a samus might wave-dash back and f-tilt or marth might wave-dash back and f-smash.

etc. etc.

Falco needs wave-dashing to bolster his general movement (because his dash game is relatively poor) and continue his combos. His wave-dash also has a good length/speed to where it can be used to make small spacing adjustments, so a Falco might dash-dance laser then wave-dash back and laser again, so as to play safe and etc. He's a pretty technical character so definitely try to work into your muscle memory not just the technique but the events that lead up to and out of a technique (this goes for all advanced techniques) so while a wave-dash is one motion, you might lead into by doing a nair, l-cancel, shine, then wave-dash out into a dash.

 

[JDavisR (NIX)]

Tails had some good tips for when you're playing other people, but as for solo practice here's what I think:


Think about what you would use a wavedash for. A lot of beginning people can wavedash around, but what is it really used for? When I practice technical things I warm up by just dash-dancing and wave-dashing in random combinations because firstly and foremost wave-dashing is simply another way to move. Some sort of drill I might start with would be like dash dance back and forth once then wave-dash then repeat in the other direction, and so on and so forth. For characters who rely a lot on their dash game (Fox, Falcon, Marth) learning to use a wave-dash to cancel your run animation is pretty essential.


From there, wave-dashing has different uses for each character. IC's and Luigi use wave-dashing as essentially the PRIMARY form of motion. Someone like Captain Falcon may use it to make minor adjustments to spacing or quickly maneuver around the edge/platforms.


Some characters use wave-dashing as a setup, so a samus might wave-dash back and f-tilt or marth might wave-dash back and f-smash.


etc. etc.


Falco needs wave-dashing to bolster his general movement (because his dash game is relatively poor) and continue his combos. His wave-dash also has a good length/speed to where it can be used to make small spacing adjustments, so a Falco might dash-dance laser then wave-dash back and laser again, so as to play safe and etc. He's a pretty technical character so definitely try to work into your muscle memory not just the technique but the events that lead up to and out of a technique (this goes for all advanced techniques) so while a wave-dash is one motion, you might lead into by doing a nair, l-cancel, shine, then wave-dash out into a dash.

You actually hit the nail on the head with all the things I have been practicing lately. Combining wavedashing, dashdancing, and lasers really adds a whole new level to movement, and approaches involving aerials and wavedashes are also very helpful, so thanks