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Yup, i agree, imo this version of Mewtwo is the version that shouldve been released April 15th when he first came out. Im hoping for at bare minimum changes to his grab. And even though i feel we shold be saying exactly what you said "he shouldve been like this and he still needs fixing" Ive got no choice but to be contempt with this cause Mewtwo mains/users were in such a dark place before. Before the buffs were 100% needed to make him a character not in the alpha phase, now im satisfied sadly and am just hoping they thow us exra credit in februaury. Only thing im not sure about is glitchy ledge options cause i dont know what you mean by that.
I honestly think it's better we got the buffs now and he wasn't like that back then. You don't have to agree with me though. The way I see it is that if Mewtwo was that way back then, then a lot more people probably would have used him and he wouldn't have been that character that 'takes people by surprise' as much as he is now. Sure we had to deal with wonky hitboxes and animations that didn't match up but people found ways to make it work.
That isn't true. Whilst you did find a method, I tried the exact same scenarios posted in your guide and I didn't get many of the results consistantly (90-100% of the time) that you did for the large majority of my findings, that's why my second testing dummy was Sheik because that's what you used. Your first example is that Mewtwo and Sheik are both facing > and she should be sent <, but my tests found that this only happened 70% of the time and that the direction Sheik faced didn't have an effect on it, whilst the direction Mewtwo faced did (referring to nair cancelling here, not full nair).
Thanks for confirming what I had felt was true. I forgot I had not posted it on Smashboards. Turns out I posted it on Reddit only. oops. Guess I could have saved you some time:
Yup, the landing frames of falling FAir are so short now, that Fair tends to combo into any reasonably fast move at lower percents. I don't think they are often true combos, though, since I think they can be DIed.
The FH Nair was my first thing. The scenario was that there was no DI or inputs besides jump and Nair, and Mewtwo and Shiek were standing still right next each other. I didn't cancel the Nair on the ground. I just jumped. It seems that you are talking about cancelling the Nair on the ground, and I am talking about a simple FH, launching the opponent in the air. Am I right? I tested it rather thoroughly...
They're true combos in the sense that training mode counts them as combos. DI weight fall speed effects combos this is something that I'm already aware of. I post these combos because I'm almost certain thst they weren't possible before and so we can find his best combo routes.
Yeah that's why I was getting such different results. Mine were off of short hops, not full hops. I didn't cancel the nair, I let the full thing go through, but the hitboxes probably hit differently if you decide to full hop it instead. Thanks for the clarification!
The timing may be completely different if you do it on extremely floaty characters like Jiggly, but I didn't test that myself.
My friend is in the process of making a video guide for Mewtwo's Nair, covering some of the information in your thread but narrated, want me to post it here once it's done?
I threw in that disclaimer because I had not tested your claims for myself.
It's up to you to find a use for it or not. Like I said I only posted it because it's something new that mewtwo can do. I've already said enough though.
Yes, of course. I appreciate you posting your findings. A new combo is a new combo.
Does the Fair-Dair spike?
I mentioned this a few pages back but yes it does! ff Fair > sh Dair (28% dmg) seems to combo at the 20 - 50% range on midweights, though at the last percentages this combo works it seems that you can only land the non spike hitbox due to the Fair sending the opponent too high.
Yeah, I sawn he combo but your post didn't mention the spike.
Even if it doesn't kill it should put them in a very bad spot where you could probably get another dair or ff nair.
At the very least they might panic Up B. With Mewtwo in the position he is, it would probably be an easy gimp.
And let's not forget slamming someone into the ground sending them upwards.
Problem with this is that fast-fall nair near the edge tends to leave you open for a footstool.
It does? I don't really use it as my main KO option. I would leave that for fast-fall nair into up smash or up throw at high percents. FF nair to dair is just a mixup for me. I'll keep what you said in mind though.
it depence what you do after. you can only be footstool when you are not doing a attack/dodging.
