Meta Knight Q&A Thread

[o-Serin-o]

No, you just gotta dash grab them I believe. Or it may be different between blue kirbys and fat penguins.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

That's weird... I've had the air release -> UpB without dash grab -> edge hang o.O I'll test this later if nobody else knows

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

if they press the jump button when mashing out of a grab then they will air release. if not then they will ground release. this is because mk is too short. the only way to force air release is if you can hold them with their feet not touching the ground.

 

[MiniTroika]

Is planking considered a form of stalling/banned?

 

[Jupz]

There is an edge grab rule were you can only grab the ledge 50 times, but aside from that no. Its just a form of camping.

 

[Jikko]

thanx for the answers :D

 

[mountain_tiger]

Hey guys. Whenever I play against a MK that ledgecamps properly, I just can't seem to deal with it at all. If I try to attack him, he'll grab the ledge before he's vulnerable, and then he'll gimp me straight back... Help please.

 

[Jupz]

Hey guys. Whenever I play against a MK that ledgecamps properly, I just can't seem to deal with it at all. If I try to attack him, he'll grab the ledge before he's vulnerable, and then he'll gimp me straight back... Help please.

That's why its called ledgestalling

 

[GALE 14]

how should i fight against a pro mario
shall i always atacke him?

 

[GALE 14]

sry i'm a nOOb
against a diddy kong and ics what shall i do
when i take mk

 

[True Romance]

Um you were a bit vague but I'll try to help. I've never played a Mario in a Tournament before, but the fact that it's almost impossible to gimp you takes out one of his biggest assets. So with out gimping his only really viable kill move is forward smash, so just space well and you should be ok. Everything you do in the air has more priority then he has so it should be a pretty one sided battle. I would say there's no real nessecity to play real campy or real agro, just read him and space.

With Diddy Kong and Icies I tend to play them in a similar way, and I've had some success in recent tournies doing so. Ban FD. Use platforms to your advantage, D-air camp. Being on the ground against either of them can lead to bad things. Both are very gimpable so be agro at the right times and you should get easy kills. Don't abuse Nado too much against Diddys, but nadoing Icies and then ensuring you land on the safety of a platform works great. Oh, and against Icies, don't get grabbed

Hope this helps a bit, I'm not claiming to be a match up wizard but I have had to play some decent Icies and Diddys recently and this has worked for me.

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

when diddy doesnt have a naner nado is quite more viable(or if they are in the air) . also if you hit them with a nana you can tech chase them with nado no matter what they do. First hit of f-tilt is a really good poke in this match-up do to how safe it is. if it connects, do the combo or mix it up with a grab. you want him in the air as much as possible. if you get a nana its not always wise to throw it at him as he can just re-grab it. you do best against him when he has no naners so get rid of them if you cant find an opening to use one. Also nair gimps barrels well but watch out as they can fly off and kill you. When he has no naners, dont go super aggro, just stay near him and apply pressure so he cant pull another without being punished.

against mario dont get too close to him, and also dont let him get below you as he can still combo you. hes not really going to kill you with f-smash very often if you space. he will try to kill you with d-smash though because its as fast as yours (in the front). also fireballs can be annoying but if you ps them you can usually get a instant dash attack and it has pretty good followups. if hes on the ledge let him stay there. any method he uses to return to the stage can be punished. Just stay close to the ledge but not on top of it his up-b can hit you away so he can recover. If he tries to ledge jump fireball you can ps it then d-tilt -> ledge grab. if he starts to fall as if waiting for your invunerability to wear off then dair him. if he up-bs right away and makes it back to the stage grab him and b-throw or nair him back off. the only way he can really gimp you is if he capes your side b. so make sure hes not close you when you use it to recover. fludd can make tornado go way high, similar to if g&w up-bs you. so you go into free fall and get up-smashed. hard for him to set up but it can be easy if you try to tornado him from far away. When you learn what to do its a pretty easy matchup

against ics d-air camping is really the only thing you have against them besides nado. if you split them up then try your best to gimp nana but watch out for popo especially if your low percents as he can chaingrab you to 40ish by himself while nana returns to help finish you off. If they are blizzard walking hover outside their range and try to punish if they do anything else. or you can dair them if they blizzard directly below you

if you have anymore questions ask me and ill try to help

 

[Reapereater]

I have many questions.. what direction do i use to control the shuttle loop (like up makes you go up but the other controls are really random)? Is metaknight a good ledge camper? Should I play only with the c-stick/b button, a button/b button, or both. Is metaknight good for team/regular brawls? How can I avoid lucas's and ness's pk fire move while still being up close (being up close makes me get hit by it quick and stuns me enough to get koed)? What's metaknight's highest percentage without getting koed for awhile (just wanted to know because I died easily at 180%)? Just started like a week ago so please help.

 

[earla]

whats metaknights best option when your opponent has grabbed the edge but has just run out of invincibility frames and is just hanging on there?

 

[FB Dj_Iskascribble]

depends on the character really what you wanna do. d-tilt is good, tornado is good, pretty much anything works. my fav is d-tilt

 

[Jupz]

I usually use Dsmash.

 

[Affinity]

I usually use Dsmash.

This

Easy KO if your opponent is at high percentage.

 

[Palpi]

I havn't been killing with D-smash much lately. Mostly N-airs and Shuttle loops.

I do play against diddy all the time, so maybe that is the reason.

 

[popsofctown]

How do i get around Pikachu's chaingrab?

Air camping didn't really work as well as it did against falco, so i'm looking for different solutions. Also, at what %s do i need not fear it? And what is the correct DI to break out of Pika's CG?

 

[smasher01]

just space your self and you wont get grabed by pikachu

 

[Jupz]

Space Fairs and Dtilts to avoid getting grabbed. Except for Fsmash he has quite poor range on the ground. But beware his Fsmash can be angled.

 

[theunabletable]

I have a question. Computer MKs a lot of times throw out insanely fast FTilts. I know you can speed up FTilt by doing DTilt then FTilt immedietly, but computer MKs can just throw those fast FTilts out without doing DTilt.

How do they do that?

 

[Roxas1988]

its quite simple. Your probably tapping the control stick instead of holding it and mashing A. It comes out fast enough for me. And I would say a good combo for the f-tilt is d-tilt>f-tilt>follow up with whatever.

 

[Palpi]

Stuff comes out faster when buffered. I.e. pummeling.

 

[popsofctown]

maximum speed ftilts aren't always ideal though. I don't think. Sometimes you do them slower to try and punish spot dodge or something.

 

[smasher01]

maximum speed ftilts aren't always ideal though. I don't think. Sometimes you do them slower to try and punish spot dodge or something.

or to try to make them drop their shield sucks when they don't tho lol

 

[Ochobobo]

Can MK grab release -> shuttle loop anyone?

 

[Affinity]

Can MK grab release -> shuttle loop anyone?

Wario, if you can get him to air-release.

 

[Dido]

A question: I did this on computers but if you get it right you keep doing Fair by the edge do it about 5 times and the 5th swipe will knock them out. Does it work on humans?

 

[Affinity]

A question: I did this on computers but if you get it right you keep doing Fair by the edge do it about 5 times and the 5th swipe will knock them out. Does it work on humans?

F-air doesn't combo into itself. You can airdodge after being hit with the first one.

 

[Deoxys]

Which of MK's throws is the fastest? I didn't see frame data for MK's throws, yet it would be helpful to know their relative speeds.

Edit: Also, thanks Affinity for telling me about that drop->jump->uair->dodge->buffered ftilt thing; it's pretty handy.

 

[smasher01]

F-throw and u-throw are the fastest than d-throw and b-throw.

what drop->jump->uair->dodge->buffered ftilt thing?

Plz explain?

 

[Affinity]

what drop->jump->uair->dodge->buffered ftilt thing?

Plz explain?

Wait for Dojo to explain. He's the one who created it.

 

[Toronto Joe]

keepin teh secretz

 

[Deoxys]

F-throw and u-throw are the fastest than d-throw and b-throw.

what drop->jump->uair->dodge->buffered ftilt thing?

Plz explain?

What is faster, uthrow or fthrow?

Since I brought it up, this is a way of getting back on the stage that is very safe against some characters. You drop from the ledge, immediately jump + uair if they're nearby, and the air-dodge as you land so you can buffer an ftilt.

 

[Affinity]

No, you drop while U-air'ing, then airdodge after jumping.

 

[Palpi]

No, you drop while U-air'ing, then airdodge after jumping.

-------^ This is correct

Holy ****, we might actually make use of a thread on the MK boards.

 

[smasher01]

No, you drop while U-air'ing, then airdodge after jumping.

im still confused lol.
can Dojo or someone reexplain?
and what is it useful for?

 

[Deoxys]

No, you drop while U-air'ing, then airdodge after jumping.

Oh my bad; that's a lot smarter. >_<

 

[Roxas1988]

U-air is the fastest attack in the game. This and tap jump can create one of the craziest combos.