MD/VA Power Rankings: Updated 8/14/12

[slikvik]

1. Actually that would be 4 lol.
2. Also, it should be obvious that not all tournies carry the same weight.
3. Alternative to the questionable rankings I see here is to have a higher minimum tourney attendance. NJ usually does 3 which seems reasonable.
4. What PS said

 

[@TKbreezy]

Korn
1st once - 1
2nd once -1
4th twice -2
7th once -1
=5

and even though xanadu held more weight...he didnt place first there..and it should hold more weight then both of the tourneys korn place 4th in.

definitely should justify him being over korn imo

and yea what PS said

 

[Seagull Joe]

I'm just gonna link every tourney of importance:

ATHF presents: Veteran's of smash MD 6/12
GamePad Presents: Rainbow Crews VA 6/19
Woodbridge VA 6/26
ChuDat Biweekly VA 7/3
ATHF Presents: Metaknight Da Bess You Ever Had Results MD/VA 7/10
Xanadu MD 7/17
Apex 8/4-8/6
Brawlmania VA 8/14
Gamepad VA 8/21

Now everyone can look through results to make sense of rankings.

There was one more tourney on the 24th, but only had an attendence of 8. Korn got 2nd and Ps 1st. Don't think it was used for rankings though.

ATHF presents: battle of the books MD 7/24

 

[da K.I.D.]

Big ups to lie and coney for stepping it up.

I thought lie was going to move tho?

 

[GimR]

I'm looking at these rankings and they don't make much sense to me. So I'm going through each tournament for the last 3 months systematically tofigure out what I think the rankings should be. Not based on opinion, but purely based on fact.

Here are my rules for someone's ranking:

1. The only way to get points is to get a win over a good player.
   
2. Good players are either ranked, or are doing so well during the season that they're being considered for the rankings
   
3. If you go straight through winners into winners finals then your wins count more(There are more rounds in losers then in winners so this rule is put in place so someone doesn't get punished for doing well in the tournament.)
   
4. If you get a win on someone ranked in a different region then you'll get points based on his ranking in his region
   
5. Wins earlier in the season count less then wins later in the season.
   
6. Wins on higher ranked players count more then wins on lower ranked players
   
7. If you keep beating one ranked player over and over again it counts less
   
8. What place you get in a tournament doesn't matter because who you beat at that tournament should match your placing. Or you could get a really easy bracket and not beat anyone good at the tournament
   
9. Who you lose to doesn't count because it will show up on someone elses win list.
   
10. Any wins at Nationals count since there are hundreds of players.

Game Pad: 8/21/2010 ---------- counts 100%

1. Logic (lolimar) -- Beats Chu, Coney. Lie, Junebug, and beats CandyX2
2. Candy (Snake/mk) -- Beats Lie, and Junebug <---- Went straight to winners
3. June (Lucario/mk) --
4. Zak (DeDeDe) -- Beats Logic
5. Esoj (Diddy)
5. BMX (Wario)
7. Lie (Diddy/Falco)
7. GIMR (GW/Icies) -- Beats Chu
9. SOVAman (DeDeDe)
9. ChuDat (Kirby)
9. pHox (Mk)
9. Tant (Falcon/MK)



Brawl Mania: 8/14/2010 -------- Counts 97%

1: JuneBug Beats Candy and Chudat <--- Went straight to Winners
2: Chudat Beats Lie, Candy, and Meep
3: GIMR Beats Chu and Meep <---- Went straight to Winners
4: Meep Beats Lie and Takeover
5: Takeover
5: Candy
7: Esoj
7: Lie
9: Sassy
9: Bengalz
9: SSR
9: Karsict



Apex 2010: 8/6th-8th/2010 -------- Counts 93%


Chudat Beat Nairo, Koolaid, and I don't know who he beat in pools(Inform Me)
Coney beat Ultimate Razor in pools and some other people that I don't know about(INFORM ME)
Junebug Beat CO18 and probably some good people in pools(Please inform me)
Logic Beat Squall



7/24/2010 Ledgend of the Milky Milk ------ Counts 90%

Logic Beats KornX2


7/17/2010 --- Xanadu Games counts 85%


Lie Beats Chibo and Vex
Neo Beats Korn, Vex, and Atomsk
Logic Beats Junebug
Junebug beats Takeover and Speed
Speed Beats Boss
Chu Beats Meep and Candy
Omni Beats Korn
Candy beats Chibo



ATHF PResents: MK Da Bess 7/10/2010 Counts 80%

1: ChuDat Beats Omni, Korn and CandyX2 <--- Straight to Winners
2: Candy Beats Meep, Lie, and Omni <---- Straight to Winners
3: Omni Beats Coney, Lie, and Korn
4: Korn Beats Meep
5: Lie Beats Boss
5: Meep Beats Coney, and Logic
7: Seagull Beats Logic
7: Logic Beats Boss
9: Pink Fresh
9: Coney
9: Tantalus
9: Boss


Chudat Bi-weekly ----- 7/3/2010 Counts 75%

1: ChuDat Beats Candy and NeoX2 <----- Gos straight to Winners
2: NEO Beats BossX2 <------ Gos straight to winners
3: boss Beats Logic and Candy
4: Candy Beats Lie
5: GIMR
5: Lie Beats Logic
7: Sin
7: AlphaZealot
9: ESOJ
9: ******
9: Logic
9: Slikvik


6/26/2010 ------- Counts 70%

1: Chu Beats Takeover and Beats ConeyX2 <-----Straight to Winners
2: Coney Beats Boss, Meep, Korn, and Takeover
3: Takeover Beats Korn
4: Korn Beats Boss
5: Meep
5: Boss Beats Korn
7: Seagull
7: BMX Beats Meep
9: ESOJ
9: Taj
9: Bengals
9: Kenny


6/19/2010 ----- Counts 65%

I NEED NUMBERS FOR THIS ONE! WHO BEAT WHO?

1: Korn Beat Lie <----- Went straight to Winners
2: Lie < ----- Went Straight to Winners?
3: Logic
4: Boss
5: Coney
5: Meep
7: Lykeios
7: Omni
9: K9
9: GIMR
9: Sin
9: Deez


Veterans of '08 6/12/2010 --- Counts 60%


1: Lie Beats Junebug, Boss, Malcolm, Omni, and Logic
2: Logic Beats Lie and Omni <----- Gos straight to winners
3: Omni Beats Meep, Boss, and Malcolm <--- Gos straight to Winners
4: Malcolm
5: Junebug Beats Speed
5: Boss Beats Takeover and Korn
7: PinkFresh Beats Meep
7: Korn
9: Speed
9: HAT Beats Takeover
9: Takeover
9: Noid





Rankings



1. Chu 92.037
2. Logic 74.725
3. Lie 43.125
4. Candy 42.83125
5 .Coney 38.57
6. Junebug 38.037
7. Neo 36.575
8. Boss 35.875
9. Omni 35.25
10. Meep 22.7




I know it doesn't look like it makes sense. But look at who people actually beat and you'll see why it looks so skewed. Also remember. This point system favors people who beat a bunch of different people as opposed to beating the same players over and over again. It also favors people who won recently as opposed to winning tournaments a couple months ago Also if someone could show me the bracket for Rainbow Crews, Korn would be on this list and Meep would get kicked off

 

[Coney]

GIMR, the only other notable people i beat in pools were snakeee and kingkong

 

[Dark 3nergy]

Big ups to lie and coney for stepping it up.

I thought lie was going to move tho?

few pages back he said "take me off the rankings i quit"

 

[Seagull Joe]

Rankings



1. Chu 92.037
2. Logic 74.725
3. Lie 43.125
4. Candy 42.83125
5 .Coney 38.57
6. Junebug 38.037
7. Neo 36.575
8. Boss 35.875
9. Omni 35.25
10. Meep 22.7




I know it doesn't look like it makes sense. But look at who people actually beat and you'll see why it looks so skewed. Also remember. This point system favors people who beat a bunch of different people as opposed to beating the same players over and over again. It also favors people who won recently as opposed to winning tournaments a couple months ago Also if someone could show me the bracket for Rainbow Crews, Korn would be on this list and Meep would get kicked off

Can you link me the biweekly results thread so I can edit my other post to have every tourney for reference GIMR?

Also, what ranking does that give me out of curiosity based on your methods? I know I'm in the top 20 of Md/Va, but am curious what number.

Edit: Nevermind, I found the rankings.

 

[KORNNNNN~]

Let the headache..... begins!!!

 

[TheTantalus]

Something you all need to strongly consider

Beating chu this season was beating an unranked player

Also, if you'd like, we can pull out average placing overall. June has still been consistent at every tournament he went to just not as consistent as he was last season, and he won an event.

NEO got 2nd and 4th (xanadu), while quite good, isn't enough evidence to solidly move him above people who won a tournament. I was hoping NEO would go to gamepad and solidify a spot, but he didn't.

GIMR I'm just going to say you're flat out wrong in your rankings. For a multitude of reasons

1. The only way to measure actual weight of an event is number, everything else is theory craft
2. Whether at the beginning or the end of a season, it's a season, they all are the same. More recent business doesn't matter any more than the first event.
3. Losses are just as important as wins, don't lose to anyone bad
4. Placing is more important than who you beat, although we do consider who you beat to be just below that in importance. That's why there are panelists
5. This is a PR, not a rankings system

I'm done for now

 

[KageMurphy]

GIMR that post was all sorts of horrible.

Also, June and Candy were both above PS on the previous PR and their finishes have been more consistent then PS this season who's gotten 9th twice and lost to unranked Seagull. Basically, they defended their placement above him.

 

[Max Ketchum]

I don't understand how a PR can value placing over win quantity and quality.

Additionally, "beating Chu this season = beating an unranked player" is totally ridiculous. He won a large number of tournaments and consistently took out important names. Just because he was unranked previously does not mean that his value as a win should decrease. For THIS season, he was active and ******. Beating him THIS season should count as such.

 

[Kaffei]

omg Korn is not on that list

 

[Kenrawr]

Wuh? I gave Chu winnings a pretty significant weight. I thought everyone else did too.

It was a good win for June, PS, and GIMR off the top of my head. (sorry gimr, be more consistent bro and win more stuff! )

@thread - lol, wow

3. Losses are just as important as wins, don't lose to anyone bad
4. Placing is more important than who you beat, although we do consider who you beat to be just below that in importance.

/disagrees

 

[da K.I.D.]

i agree with the chu thing being stupid, what doom said.

 

[The Dashing Knight]

I'm 100% serious actually

You Should Not Be 5th. Do You Understand What I Am Saying To You Right Now?

Do you understand, what he is saying to you, right now?

 

[meepxzero]

PRs are dumb i can probably beat everyone on a good day except for omni and korn. This whole region counters everyone ;D

Anyone brave to admit who they get countered by?

 

[KageMurphy]

Beating Chu mattered but it wasn't treated as beating the number one in our region last season because it's still based off the previous PR. OOS should worry about your own rankings, we aren't concerned about yours.

Also, losing to someone unranked matters when people above you who you wanna pass aren't. Its like a deciding factor in a way. And of course wins are important, as are placements.

 

[Coney]

Anyone brave to admit who they get countered by?

this really is just a region full of mega man robot masters, i tell you what

can't beat:

meep, lie, chu

can beat:

everyone else

 

[Takeover1806]

this really is just a region full of mega man robot masters, i tell you what

can't beat:

meep, lie, chu

can beat:

everyone else

that is why I'm picking up mk, in three months your dead meat

nvm doing that is for scrubs, I like working hard lmao

 

[Gangsta_inc]

Dear sweet Jesus, Chu Dat must be back at it again, oh and good stuff whoever changed the first page to Anamanaguchi's "Another winter" Though I think a worthy song would be something more around party stronger.

 

[GimR]

Something you all need to strongly consider

Beating chu this season was beating an unranked player

Also, if you'd like, we can pull out average placing overall. June has still been consistent at every tournament he went to just not as consistent as he was last season, and he won an event.

NEO got 2nd and 4th (xanadu), while quite good, isn't enough evidence to solidly move him above people who won a tournament. I was hoping NEO would go to gamepad and solidify a spot, but he didn't.

GIMR I'm just going to say you're flat out wrong in your rankings. For a multitude of reasons

1. The only way to measure actual weight of an event is number, everything else is theory craft
2. Whether at the beginning or the end of a season, it's a season, they all are the same. More recent business doesn't matter any more than the first event.
3. Losses are just as important as wins, don't lose to anyone bad
4. Placing is more important than who you beat, although we do consider who you beat to be just below that in importance. That's why there are panelists
5. This is a PR, not a rankings system

I'm done for now

1. Thats stupid, the number of players in no way judges the skill level of players. It's about who you beat.

2. Also not true. The newest most current wins are more important in relation to who's better at this moment

3. your losses should show up in someone elses wins. Also Candy told me that you guys don't count losses as panelists. If you both don't agree on that then WOW

4. Placing is not more important! Look at this weekend. June bug only had to beat Esoj to get into winners finals. He didn't beat one ranked player.

5. This is a power ranking system not a ranking system....what?


Also, beating chu barely counted for anything. If you beat a player that did really good but was unranked you barely got any points for it.




BTW Korn hasn't beaten one ranked player since June and in June he only beat like 4 players

 

[KORNNNNN~]

BTW Korn hasn't beaten one ranked player since June and in June he only beat like 4 players

I do beat PR members but I don't feel like digging headache stuff/proof to you
I pretty much stay consistent this season.. but wasn't as good as the last season

sorry.. but you have a long way to go

PRs are dumb i can probably beat everyone on a good day. LET'S DRINKKKKKKKKKKKKK !!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree
let's do this!

 

[Kenrawr]

Calvin, do you think you should be ranked?

 

[GimR]

Calvin, do you think you should be ranked?

No, not at all


I just don't think they looked at the numbers.

Like I said before, I have nothing against Korn, but he hasn't beaten a ranked player since June. And even then beat very few and he got 5th

I do beat PR members but I don't feel like digging headache stuff/proof to you
I pretty much stay consistent this season.. but wasn't as good as the last season

sorry.. but you have a long way to go

I have the numbers on page 345. you didn't beat many. And I'm not saying this to hurt your feelings or make you look bad. I just think that the panelists over looked some things.

 

[Omni]

stop all the drama and watch me play megaman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVcaEYzN_co

and gimr there's a panelist for a reason. if we made power rankings solely off numbers there'd be no need for a panelist. its up to us to use our discretion to take into consideration what the numbers imply, what the numbers can't reflect, and what we already know

 

[GimR]

stop all the drama and watch me play megaman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVcaEYzN_co

and gimr there's a panelist for a reason. if we made power rankings solely off numbers there'd be no need for a panelist. its up to us to use our discretion to take into consideration what the numbers imply, what the numbers can't reflect, and what we already know

Yeah and I think you guys looked at some of the numbers wrong. Read above posts to see what I'm talking about.

Plus my little list was just to show a comparison of the PR list And the actual Who beat who list.


I don't think my list should in any way replace the real one. I just think that it shows maybe you guys over looked some details.

 

[xxCANDYxx]

1. Thats stupid, the number of players in no way judges the skill level of players. It's about who you beat.

2. Also not true. The newest most current wins are more important in relation to who's better at this moment

3. your losses should show up in someone elses wins. Also Candy told me that you guys don't count losses as panelists. If you both don't agree on that then WOW

4. Placing is not more important! Look at this weekend. June bug only had to beat Esoj to get into winners finals. He didn't beat one ranked player.

5. This is a power ranking system not a ranking system....what?


Also, beating chu barely counted for anything. If you beat a player that did really good but was unranked you barely got any points for it.




BTW Korn hasn't beaten one ranked player since June and in June he only beat like 4 players

I agree with all yours, except number 2. The season all together is considered present and anything in seasons ( not just smash) is weighed the same....that's why it's divided into seasons

But I agree with everything else, especially #1 and 4, those are exact statements that I try to make unfortunately everything is put up to a vote-_-

 

[Max Ketchum]

LOL at Omni's LP

Gonna watch these.

 

[GimR]

Alright I can understand you guys not liking rule 2. What you're saying makes sense. I'll get rid of it and change the numbers accordingly and see what happens.

 

[TheTantalus]

ESOJ beat you who beat the 10 seed in the tournament, so on that given day, ESOJ was better than Chu by virtue of being better than you. It's how the brackets work. Who are we to say ESOJ is bad when he beat the person that beat chudat? We can't. On that given day, he was better than a ranked player.

 

[Gangsta_inc]

Note to self Omni should stay on brawl.

lol jk you aren't too bad...

 

[Pyronic_Star]

at xanado
me, pink fresh, neo, and candy all lost to adhd and ally... is it really fair to say this player did better than this player when the results were based off of when we played the players who took us out and not who we lost to

 

[KORNNNNN~]

I have the numbers on page 345. you didn't beat many. And I'm not saying this to hurt your feelings or make you look bad. I just think that the panelists over looked some things.

I ain't hurt... because I don't care about this as much as other people
it was weird that I keep hearing my name all day.....

I just defense myself that I was consistent once again at this season..

 

[TheTantalus]

You are incorrect in your data slightly

Candy lost to atomsk

So you, pink, and NEO did. Who's to say meep or anyone else wouldn't have beaten you also? It's the way the bracket ended up. Pink still beat boss and had a good performance. When there is an upset, people lose early. The bracket was still done properly and seeds were done accurately. You guys lost to 1st and 2nd yes but thats where your numbers landed. At the same time, we do take into account that you all did lose to that player, so your 9th place is a bit stronger than Junebug's 9th place there. It is the result of an upset. Maybe you should have just won instead. In that moment, he was worse than meep. If he improved afterwards, nothing I can do to control that. I'd love to explain this to you in person if you'd like

 

[SOVAman]

This PR is horrible

Lets get 5 peoples opinions and make a list

 

[ksizl4life]

so because chu wasnt ranked last season, when people beat him, it doesnt matter much?

 

[Pyronic_Star]

that's my point... none of us did (except meep)

 

[ksizl4life]

well i dont really know whats going on here. im just skimming

and im bored

lol

but just an fyi to people

power rankings depict what happened in the season BEFORE. they show which players dominated in the past 2-3 months.

mostly every region starts on a fresh start once the season begins and pays attention to current results. doesnt look like that here though.

 

[GimR]

ESOJ beat you who beat the 10 seed in the tournament, so on that given day, ESOJ was better than Chu by virtue of being better than you. It's how the brackets work. Who are we to say ESOJ is bad when he beat the person that beat chudat? We can't. On that given day, he was better than a ranked player.

Actually, chu was put in after the bracket was made so he was a 0 seed. Also you're using inui logic.

Using your logic, I'm #1 on the pr because I can beat chu