Matchup Discussion: Fox

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Yes, a while back. We added each other and played in 09, Iblis, we live in the same state which is why we added each other.

 

[Conviction]

Lol I still don't really remember but ummm yeah I would guess so, you go to WABA and stuff?

 

[A2ZOMG]

Just saying, if there is a matchup where Up-B is underused (besides vs Bowser), it's vs Fox.

I'm pretty serious. Generally if you shield an aerial from Fox, since he doesn't have much range, he's usually going to be in range of that (turnaround Up-B OOS if he does a crossover obviously). Also, your Up-B is a pretty good option for countering his shinestalling onstage due to its huge vertical range.

I'm not saying you don't have other options, but free situational damage from a different source other than Mario's bread and butter damage dealers is very very helpful.

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Lol I still don't really remember but ummm yeah I would guess so, you go to WABA and stuff?

No, but uh a friend of mines says that Atlanta will monthlies tournies.

 

[brawlanator]

I don't think so. Nair beats illusion though.

Actually, it does. If you have enough training with Mario you can cape his llusion. I have enough practice that I can cape Falco's and Fox's illusion.

 

[Matador]

Hear that Inferno?

He says you need more training with Mario to cape illusion

 

[Calebyte]

If you have enough training with Mario you can cape his llusion. I have enough practice that I can cape Falco's and Fox's illusion.

Hi nice to meet you.

 

[JuxtaposeX]

I can cape Giga Bowser's fsmash.

 

[Inferno3044]

Hear that Inferno?

He says you need more training with Mario to cape illusion

Lol. Just saying, I don't think it's possible to cape on reaction. I know you can do it on a read. I remember trying it. I did it at 1/4 speed (slow enough so I could do an illusion then switch to cape lol)

 

[Calebyte]

Silly brawlanator, everyone knows you can only cape illusion on a read, not on reaction.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Yeah Cape is a tad too slow to really pull off on reaction to Fox's SideB, similarly FLUDD on the spacies SideBs requires a good read as well. However I do think it's potentially feasible for a Mario user to react to Illusion with either an aerial or edgehog if you're on point. This is assuming you have around a 12 frame reaction time, given that Fox's Illusion starts up in about 21 frames, about 4 or so frames slower than Falco's.

 

[Juushichi]

In response to illusion of both varieties, roll backwards with it if you don't think you can cape/nair it (also, I'm sure if you're able to cape at close distances and aren't facing the illusion/fantasm, you can cape them backwards).

It puts you in prime position for a punish. When I vs'd Clowsui's Falco I did a good read on it and got a free smash, even though he controlled the set anyway. I will say that I did miss the read a handful of times.

 

[FoxFatal]

Honestly, I seem to get my cape whiffed when I attempt to stop a Fire Fox. I mean even if I do manage to successfully cape, I still get damaged. What's the proper timing for that?

 

[Inferno3044]

Just react to it.